All talk is of mohabbat ... and Todarmal adds his touch to this topic! - Page 4

Originally posted by: history_geek

Renu,
The point is NOT the gender.:) But, i depends on how we perceive and how much we 'TRY' to understand a character.

Just take an example. Since, last night the forum has gone gaga, why Jodha asked that - Shahenshah ab kyu aye hain.?. Was it so tough to understand.?. I could INSTANTLY get the meaning that it was due to the fact that she again does not wants to face him coz that will make her again land in that 'moh'. You see, Mansi also explained this point a page back. Even she can understand it. Kshiti as well. It's just the matter of trying to see the views of BOTH.

Coming to Jalal, all are always ready to understand what he says and how this differs from what he actually means. So, why do we fail when this comes to Jodha.?. I read comments that - 'Jalal, though asked her to leave Agra, but actually he did not mean her to leave'. When we can understand THE RIGHT MEANING OF A TOTALLY OPPOSITE SENTENCE, then why do they fail to see simple gestures/statements of the female lead.?.

She did not want to face him that night 'coz of the guilt in her that she won't be able to tell him. And, tried keeping her head low. It was so clear. She herself acknowledged that she is doing a PAAP by hiding something from her husband. Didn't she ? Still i fail to understand what self - realisation of her 'galati' we want to see.?.

Also, coming to soul talks or self talks. It is Jalal who needed the self talks more than anyone or Jodha. Because, it was Jalal who thought that there is NOTHING like 'mohobbat'. It was Jalal who believed that he has 'NO HEART'. IF YOU SEE THE SELF TALKS Jalal had, you will find majority of them, the initial ones, were mainly focussed on 'HIS OWN' realization of HIS 'dil'. What was the need of those self talks for Jodha.?. She very well understands Dil and mohabbat, and she only revived those feelings in him. Hence, Jalal needed those self talks MORE.

Now, the same applies to Jalal, he has to get those same feelings from Jodha, and this is not going to be so easy. She knows about the PAAP by hiding the truth. She herself admitted it. Jalal also knows why she behaved so. The only issue needs to be sorted out is TRUST. BOTH know what wrong they DID but now the 'character' was doubted AGAIN - this is d thorn.

BTW, 'If understanding Jodha is SO difficult then, even for every breath she takes, we need a self talk.!.😉.Lol.

Also, this ''portrayal'' is termed as forum feminism, which is said to be a ''modern'' phenomenon, as per 'some' recent authors and in the forum as well. But, i fail to understand this. ''IF'' this is a modern phenomena, then why this is in the history for ages, and if that is the case, why for ages, we call India as Bharat 'Mata' and NOT Bharat 'Pita'? :p Is this also Feminism?

I went somewhere else while writing this. 😆 But, was just writing something i wanted to write. Its not so tough t

Originally posted by: ayushimehra

GOOD analysis mansi,Todermal point, .👏

Episode was good, first jalal, appriciates widow, Marriage, the person who wants to marry widow

should be Co-operative by society. when he arrenged, Bakshi, Banu marriage again, it means jalal was already broad

that time. so his thinking was that time, poisitve, about females, but he was unaware about heart feelings, & love, but now he is awering, from his heart feelings , &he knows, deep meaning behind marriage, credit goes to jodha, &learning of jalal

why needed second Marriage,? Because if a person gets love her or Him life totally changes

so it clears, widow lost her partner, so she is in deep pain, jalal also has lost jodha, his stupidness beahaviour, ( He is

also in Deep pain) but both have realized Importance of Love before. so jalal now knows, which will she get now, if

society, willl favourable, to widow marriage

(this is again forward step, making his journry Jalal To AKBAR.

jalal speeh, about Love, mind blowing👏👏👏

How much he has changed, , how much he discoverd his heart, Great. (self questioning, did by him, &his thinking totally changed.

other side jodha, listening jalal speech, feeling proud, but she unable to accept jalal's love

because he touched her character point, that is giving jodha great pain, she is recalling that words. so jalal must be realized, you can'nt touch women dignity, when you want.

jalal many times touched jodha's dignity, (jodha's point of view, is it a fun?)

so it means, jodha inner feelings is fearing to accept jalal;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

because jodha point of view, this time she console herself, this tough situation, very difficult

if this situation came again, then she will fully broke-up, that will be more dangerous.

(so jalal needed, to console herself, some trustable &love methods.)

so this realtion needed, some treatment, which done by (husband wife, so jalal should create

space, through talks then realtionship will become more stronger, easier &nobody can create Gap.

between them)

But ques is this, is jodha will accept ? acc to spoiler No, so twist (ready today to watch😆 😆

Todermal &jalal talks were good.

one good person when talks to good person;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;result comes;;;;;;;;;;;awesome

(so when TM will come to Agra, then ;;;;;;Amazing chemistery will be seeing to watch

But when Maham will see what her reaction, seeing interesting

TM talked about Mohares to jalal, So jalal recalled point of Mohares, which Maham is finding?

so interesting sequence, now in AGRA, when TM entry will be happen⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️

jalal shared jodha talks to TM

is TM is getting, father figure after ATGHA's death?

now TM role is i think he will play important role, AKDHA"s patch-up

jalal fighting scene was good.

precap was beautiful;;;;;;;;;;;;;;jodhu is playing Holi (last Holi,Maham, create disturbance)

this Holi she is throughing clour to JALAL👏 👏 👏 👏(so Akdha's HOLI)

But Holi is a clour festival, so cloures will definately come in both's life, but this festival meaning, Happiness also, so Patch will sure Happen, after some(Ruthana Manana)😆 😆

so jodha will when sure now, then she will take next step, 😉

so jalal get ready;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;jodha is not, easily handled this time, More efforts needed by you😆 😆

Originally posted by: skanda12

Ayushi I just wanted to add one more point to all your fabulous points. I thought when Jalal defended the widow's right to love second time, he was seeming like he too wanted to "fall in love" one more time afresh with Jodha. Instead of just looking at their love as something gone spoilt by suspicion and lying and other such negative emotions, it was like he was expressing the need for a fresh new start to even their love. Did you also get that feeling?

Originally posted by: skanda12

Abhay this is one of the most brilliant posts you have ever written! Hats off for explaining the core issues so well! I have never been moved so much by any post before and I am completely, absolutely, totally in agreement with every word. You have in fact spoken my heart! Kya kahen, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant!

Originally posted by: ayushimehra

Mansi, Agree your these lines, Yes i got that feeling

jalal's point of view, need for a fresh new start, in last days he too much analysised him, he now knows,he has no life without jodha. He now wants, past which he has mistaken, &he said to jodha

harsh words, suspicion her character, etc, now, these things washed away from his heart.

so now new start, these things no entry,

now there journey will be totally different, because now in their realtionship will be availability of freshness.

but other side jodha scene was beautifully pictouried;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;she knows, jalal is in deep pain

he is feeling guilt, He is accepting his mistakes. jodha knows, her heart is saying, forgive jalal

but suddenely Mind says;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;No jodha, if this happen again;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;then you will again, feel more down, then you will not that situation, you will recover your self.

suppose, she will go easily, then if problem came next time, or jalal will say, jodha go here,

then jodha what will you do?

Heartlevel says yes, jodha is reconizing, but Mind level wants insurrance.But jalal is a Mind level person, He came Mind to heart, He already insurranced, her, Mind & heart, so his speech was touchee, &showing, he now wants, A fresh start, now no entery stupidness things.

suddenely one thought, when this fear finish with the side of jodha.

then there realtionship where will be stand;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;amazing & parallel.

Originally posted by: nini06

Quintessential annalysis...😊😊

WISH,jajo bring todamal with them to agra...he is most needed in the female oiented mad mad harem...after sole ataliq being stabed by adham...😛😛

i may sound silly but more then this ashram romantic track , i m more intrested in adham's and maham downfall...!!!!

Originally posted by: skanda12

Arre wah, that sentence in blue which I have marked says it all! Perfect!

Originally posted by: history_geek

Renu,
The point is NOT the gender.:) But, i depends on how we perceive and how much we 'TRY' to understand a character.

Just take an example. Since, last night the forum has gone gaga, why Jodha asked that - Shahenshah ab kyu aye hain.?. Was it so tough to understand.?. I could INSTANTLY get the meaning that it was due to the fact that she again does not wants to face him coz that will make her again land in that 'moh'. You see, Mansi also explained this point a page back. Even she can understand it. Kshiti as well. It's just the matter of trying to see the views of BOTH.

Coming to Jalal, all are always ready to understand what he says and how this differs from what he actually means. So, why do we fail when this comes to Jodha.?. I read comments that - 'Jalal, though asked her to leave Agra, but actually he did not mean her to leave'. When we can understand THE RIGHT MEANING OF A TOTALLY OPPOSITE SENTENCE, then why do they fail to see simple gestures/statements of the female lead.?.

She did not want to face him that night 'coz of the guilt in her that she won't be able to tell him. And, tried keeping her head low. It was so clear. She herself acknowledged that she is doing a PAAP by hiding something from her husband. Didn't she ? Still i fail to understand what self - realisation of her 'galati' we want to see.?.

Also, coming to soul talks or self talks. It is Jalal who needed the self talks more than anyone or Jodha. Because, it was Jalal who thought that there is NOTHING like 'mohobbat'. It was Jalal who believed that he has 'NO HEART'. IF YOU SEE THE SELF TALKS Jalal had, you will find majority of them, the initial ones, were mainly focussed on 'HIS OWN' realization of HIS 'dil'. What was the need of those self talks for Jodha.?. She very well understands Dil and mohabbat, and she only revived those feelings in him. Hence, Jalal needed those self talks MORE.

Now, the same applies to Jalal, he has to get those same feelings from Jodha, and this is not going to be so easy. She knows about the PAAP by hiding the truth. She herself admitted it. Jalal also knows why she behaved so. The only issue needs to be sorted out is TRUST. BOTH know what wrong they DID but now the 'character' was doubted AGAIN - this is d thorn.

BTW, 'If understanding Jodha is SO difficult then, even for every breath she takes, we need a self talk.!.😉.Lol.

Also, this ''portrayal'' is termed as forum feminism, which is said to be a ''modern'' phenomenon, as per 'some' recent authors and in the forum as well. But, i fail to understand this. ''IF'' this is a modern phenomena, then why this is in the history for ages, and if that is the case, why for ages, we call India as Bharat 'Mata' and NOT Bharat 'Pita'? :p Is this also Feminism?

I went somewhere else while writing this. 😆 But, it is not so tough to read a character. Agree with u. :D