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Posted: 11 years ago
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I was waiting for your writeup. And yes there were many things happening yesterday.
I really liked the character of TodarMal, and his talk with Jalal depicted how graceful + intelligent this man is.
I wish we get such scenes involving Man Singh and Bhagwan Das with Jalal also.

Jalal was perfect yesterday. His talk made it clear that how well he understands the meaning of someone's 'mohobbat'. And, as Kshiti said i am in agreement with her thoughts. Jodha's 'hitchkichahat' and 'restlessness' depicted a lot of her plight. When she hid behind the tree, her emotions were quite visible. For a moment, her emotions overcame her ''mind's resolve'', and she ran towards Jalal for giving 'sahara'., but stopped seeing him in safe company of TodarMal. I remember one line from your writeup yesterday, or someone else wrote this - Jodha has made up her mind quite strong now to NOT fall again for 'moh' as she has faced a brutal accusation due to this, and now she refuses to start from 'normality' again. This TIME she, is ready to burn herself BUT NOT fall so easily. Both are torn souls.

Exactly, similar dialogue on 'moh' was heard yesterday from her that she once again' does not wants to get in that ''world''. And, Jalal will now require to make her come back and revive her feelings. It is he, who has to assure her in every possible means. That 'N. Rishta' is very much in her heart.!!!. No matter what, this ''second time'' question on her character was not acceptable to her, even after proving herself in that Ben track. Lets see how these 2 Birds meet again and resolve their differences. Jalal has acknowledged what wrong he did. Now he needs to clear issues with her.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Dear Mansi,,
Lovely post again, and good episode. I love it when Jalal is in action.. His lecture was also good.. But I sometimes feel Jodha is shown too dumb.. She questions herself.. why is Shenshah here? Does not she understand that he must have come here only to search for her?? Why else.. Come on Jo.. I felt like shouting at her. Yes.. and doesn't she understand that he is extremely guilty and missing her so much.. he is so much in pain.. what more proof does she need that he indeed loves her very much .. Yes I know ...Jalal has really hurt her .. accused her.. and it won't be easy to forgive him.. but can't she see the pain he is going thru..If Shehnaaz can understand this..why not our JO.. But I think she does not want to.. tread on that path again because of fear of not being trusted again.. How many times has she to prove her loyalty to him?? Thats why may be she feels ..enough is enough.. But it was really sad and heart wrenching to see Jalal opening his heart to Todarmal..


Like every one else.. Happy to see Todarmal back.. Love this actor.. He will be the most graceful character adorning Akbars court ..once he joins the Agra Pagal khana.. Hope he does not curse himsellf.. OMG where have I come..? But God.. Jalal needs this father figure badly.. Soo good he is there in nick of time.. to guide him and support him.. So todays episode will bring JO-JA together.. just waiting for the ME today.. Hope it brings smiles back to our faces.. and on JA-Jos faces as well. Rona-dhona bas ho gaya yaar... !! Plz give us a break...!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: history_geek

I was waiting for your writeup. And yes there were many things happening yesterday.
I really liked the character of TodarMal, and his talk with Jalal depicted how graceful + intelligent this man is.
I wish we get such scenes involving Man Singh and Bhagwan Das with Jalal also.

Jalal was perfect yesterday. His talk made it clear that how well he understands the meaning of someone's 'mohobbat'. And, as Kshiti said i am in agreement with her thoughts. Jodha's 'hitchkichahat' and 'restlessness' depicted a lot of her plight. When she hid behind the tree, her emotions were quite visible. For a moment, her emotions overcame her ''mind's resolve'', and she ran towards Jalal for giving 'sahara'., but stopped seeing him in safe company of TodarMal. I remember one line from your writeup yesterday, or someone else wrote this - Jodha has made up her mind quite strong now to NOT fall again for 'moh' as she has faced a brutal accusation due to this, and now she refuses to start from 'normality' again. This TIME she, is ready to burn herself BUT NOT fall so easily. Both are torn souls.

Exactly, similar dialogue on 'moh' was heard yesterday from her that she once again' does not wants to get in that ''world''. And, Jalal will now require to make her come back and revive her feelings. It is he, who has to assure her in every possible means. That 'N. Rishta' is very much in her heart.!!!. No matter what, this ''second time'' question on her character was not acceptable to her, even after proving herself in that Ben track. Lets see how these 2 Birds meet again and resolve their differences. Jalal has acknowledged what wrong he did. Now he needs to clear issues with her.

Abhay, beautifully written! And thank God we saw not one bit of the Agra circus yesterday!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: history_geek

I was waiting for your writeup. And yes there were many things happening yesterday.
I really liked the character of TodarMal, and his talk with Jalal depicted how graceful + intelligent this man is.
I wish we get such scenes involving Man Singh and Bhagwan Das with Jalal also.

Jalal was perfect yesterday. His talk made it clear that how well he understands the meaning of someone's 'mohobbat'. And, as Kshiti said i am in agreement with her thoughts. Jodha's 'hitchkichahat' and 'restlessness' depicted a lot of her plight. When she hid behind the tree, her emotions were quite visible. For a moment, her emotions overcame her ''mind's resolve'', and she ran towards Jalal for giving 'sahara'., but stopped seeing him in safe company of TodarMal. I remember one line from your writeup yesterday, or someone else wrote this - Jodha has made up her mind quite strong now to NOT fall again for 'moh' as she has faced a brutal accusation due to this, and now she refuses to start from 'normality' again. This TIME she, is ready to burn herself BUT NOT fall so easily. Both are torn souls.

Exactly, similar dialogue on 'moh' was heard yesterday from her that she once again' does not wants to get in that ''world''. And, Jalal will now require to make her come back and revive her feelings. It is he, who has to assure her in every possible means. That 'N. Rishta' is very much in her heart.!!!. No matter what, this ''second time'' question on her character was not acceptable to her, even after proving herself in that Ben track. Lets see how these 2 Birds meet again and resolve their differences. Jalal has acknowledged what wrong he did. Now he needs to clear issues with her.



Abhay...despite being a man you understand Jodha's plight & POV lots better than many females on this forum...or is this opposite attracts so you understand jodha so well and majority of this forum members are female so they under stand jalal POV so well hence many negative posts about jodha 😉
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi mansi,
Loved the take...but I've my own reasons for being a little dissatisfied with the episode.
Problem is only jodha.
Rest episode was epic with todarmal standing high and imeprial...im happy soon jalal will be surrounded with positive people and his Akbarification starts.
That lathi fight and emperor getting beaten though for melodramatic reasons was a wee bit too much for me.
I hope they Dont overdo this...
Jalal has risen in love but jodha is still yo yoing...that I love him but I don't want him...
I want him but I'll stay away from him
The reason is valid and justified..tantrums and valid reasoning both are grounds on which age can refuse to go to Agra.
Right from the allegation of miscarriage and murdering jalals baby then to the fake pregnancy it was she who has been under trial now as the big man is in love first she should now say that I'm not willing to undertake any more trials first ensure me about my status in your life that I wont be subject to anymore questions.
Rest assuredbut firstly jodha should tend to jalal not only because she is his wife but because of humanity.
Both jalal and jodha are very good human beings that is their foremost quality and chief trait, this should continue rest can follow...
But rest of the plots are progressing in a great way...hats off to cvs they are managing to keep us at an edge...like a thriller.
As an actor Rajat delivered an ace and paridhi is doing her bit beautifully too..I hope to see more of her spark in coming times.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: neeshaa16


Dear Mansi,,
Lovely post again, and good episode. I love it when Jalal is in action.. His lecture was also good.. But I sometimes feel Jodha is shown too dumb.. She questions herself.. why is Shenshah here? Does not she understand that he must have come here only to search for her?? Why else.. Come on Jo.. I felt like shouting at her. Yes.. and doesn't she understand that he is extremely guilty and missing her so much.. he is so much in pain.. what more proof does she need that he indeed loves her very much .. Yes I know ...Jalal has really hurt her .. accused her.. and it won't be easy to forgive him.. but can't she see the pain he is going thru..If Shehnaaz can understand this..why not our JO.. But I think she does not want to.. tread on that path again because of fear of not being trusted again.. How many times has she to prove her loyalty to him?? Thats why may be she feels ..enough is enough.. But it was really sad and heart wrenching to see Jalal opening his heart to Todarmal..


Like every one else.. Happy to see Todarmal back.. Love this actor.. He will be the most graceful character adorning Akbars court ..once he joins the Agra Pagal khana.. Hope he does not curse himsellf.. OMG where have I come..? But God.. Jalal needs this father figure badly.. Soo good he is there in nick of time.. to guide him and support him.. So todays episode will bring JO-JA together.. just waiting for the ME today.. Hope it brings smiles back to our faces.. and on JA-Jos faces as well. Rona-dhona bas ho gaya yaar... !! Plz give us a break...!!

I wish you see the pain in Jodha as I do. I am not sure how to convey it. Just because she does not speak she is not "dumb". In fact her heart is so full that words are not coming to her. We need sensitivity from our side to appreciate what she is also going through. Jalal is ready to take up mohabbat as a concept, but Jodha is fearful because she see it as something that hurts!
Give her time to feel comfortable with it again. And it is important always to see a subject from all sides. Jalal is showing one side of love and the way someone who is ready for it acts. Jodha is showing another side of love and the way one who is unready for it acts. neither is "great" nor "dumb". How cann two people think identically, or how can we expect two people to think identically? The beauty of any story is to see how different characters deal in different ways with different subjects. If everone were the same what is the interest in the story?
Also that line I have marked in blue ... I think you have not caught the correct meaning of what she said. She ws not asking herself, she was asking Kanha. And she was saying "Kanha, you know that I don't want to get entangled in love and then see it slip away from me. It is very difficult to bear when it goes away. So when I have left it behind and come here, why are you reopening my wounds by bringing the Shahenshah here?" That is what she meant.
Edited by skanda12 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: neeshaa16


Dear Mansi,,
Lovely post again, and good episode. I love it when Jalal is in action.. His lecture was also good.. But I sometimes feel Jodha is shown too dumb.. She questions herself.. why is Shenshah here? Does not she understand that he must have come here only to search for her?? Why else.. Come on Jo.. I felt like shouting at her. Yes.. and doesn't she understand that he is extremely guilty and missing her so much.. he is so much in pain.. what more proof does she need that he indeed loves her very much .. Yes I know ...Jalal has really hurt her .. accused her.. and it won't be easy to forgive him.. but can't she see the pain he is going thru..If Shehnaaz can understand this..why not our JO.. But I think she does not want to.. tread on that path again because of fear of not being trusted again.. How many times has she to prove her loyalty to him?? Thats why may be she feels ..enough is enough.. But it was really sad and heart wrenching to see Jalal opening his heart to Todarmal..


Like every one else.. Happy to see Todarmal back.. Love this actor.. He will be the most graceful character adorning Akbars court ..once he joins the Agra Pagal khana.. Hope he does not curse himsellf.. OMG where have I come..? But God.. Jalal needs this father figure badly.. Soo good he is there in nick of time.. to guide him and support him.. So todays episode will bring JO-JA together.. just waiting for the ME today.. Hope it brings smiles back to our faces.. and on JA-Jos faces as well. Rona-dhona bas ho gaya yaar... !! Plz give us a break...!!



We as viewers know that jalal is in mathura in search for jodha...how would jodha know that...moreover her mind still not ready to believe that jalal really cares for her even though her heart has no doubt about that...this was the reason for her crying in front of kanha...we as a viewers are quite biased ...we see what we want to see like most of the people failed to see how desperately jodha ran towards jalal seeing his condition...but we remembered how she was complaining in front of kanha.
Edited by 111192 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#18

Originally posted by: peepu

Hi mansi,

Loved the take...but I've my own reasons for being a little dissatisfied with the episode.
Problem is only jodha.
Rest episode was epic with todarmal standing high and imeprial...im happy soon jalal will be surrounded with positive people and his Akbarification starts.
That lathi fight and emperor getting beaten though for melodramatic reasons was a wee bit too much for me.
I hope they Dont overdo this...
Jalal has risen in love but jodha is still yo yoing...that I love him but I don't want him...
I want him but I'll stay away from him
The reason is valid and justified..tantrums and valid reasoning both are grounds on which age can refuse to go to Agra.
Right from the allegation of miscarriage and murdering jalals baby then to the fake pregnancy it was she who has been under trial now as the big man is in love first she should now say that I'm not willing to undertake any more trials first ensure me about my status in your life that I wont be subject to anymore questions.
Rest assuredbut firstly jodha should tend to jalal not only because she is his wife but because of humanity.
Both jalal and jodha are very good human beings that is their foremost quality and chief trait, this should continue rest can follow...
But rest of the plots are progressing in a great way...hats off to cvs they are managing to keep us at an edge...like a thriller.
As an actor Rajat delivered an ace and paridhi is doing her bit beautifully too..I hope to see more of her spark in coming times.

Please see the reply I gave to neeshaa16 above. It applies also to your post and your thoughts.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

I wish you see the pain in Jodha as I do. I am not sure how to convey it. Just because she does not speak she is not "dumb". In fact her heart is so full that words are not coming to her. We need sensitivity from our side to appreciate what she is also going through. Jalal is ready to take up mohabbat as a concept, but Jodha is fearful because she see it as something that hurts!
Give her time to feel comfortable with it again. And it is important always to see a subject from all sides. Jalal is showing one side of love and the way someone who is ready for it acts. Jodha is showing another side of love and the way one who is unready for it acts. neither is "great" nor "dumb". How cann two people think identically, or how can we expect two people to think identically? The beauty of any story is to see how different characters deal in different ways with different subjects. If everone were the same what is the interest in the story?


Quiet true.. I am quiet sensitive to Jos feelings ... we as women can perfectly understand her feelings.. I am not irritated with JO.. but the CVS why do they give such dialogues.. its understood that he has come here for her in search of her.. she may be surprised seeing him in Mathura.. but she is smart enough to gauge ..why he must have come to Mathura.. You have a valid point here. I am just thinking from Jalal's POV.. not from JOdhas.. you are very right.. dear tanks .. for this.. Now I know why you can write so beautifully.. you really understand all characters very well.. Lovely ..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: 111192



We as viewers know that jalal is in mathura in search for jodha...how would jodha know that...moreover her mind still not ready to believe that jalal really cares for her even though her heart has no doubt about that...this was the reason for her crying in front of kanha...we as a viewers are quite biased ...we see what we want to see like most of the people failed to see how desperately jodha ran towards jalal seeing his condition...but we remembered how she was complaining in front of kanha.


Got your point.. perfect..thanks for making me understand.. !!

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