All talk is of mohabbat ... and Todarmal adds his touch to this topic! - Page 3

Originally posted by: 111192

Abhay...despite being a man you understand Jodha's plight & POV lots better than many females on this forum...or is this opposite attracts so you understand jodha so well and majority of this forum members are female so they under stand jalal POV so well hence many negative posts about jodha 😉

Its not about gender here 111192...its about how we take it and how we think... Many of us are thinking only jalal's point of view...coz many are jalal's die hard fans...even if he does mistake also they say he was deeply in love with jo..but my question is ye kaisa pyar hai jab vishwas hi na ho..khaas kar tab wen she almost gave her life..i am not saying jo is right here and jalal is wrong...all are thinking and looking ar jalal's pain...but every one forgot his accusations..he suspected everything what ever jo did for him... be it men or women its upto us how we take things..from the beginning jalal was insecure when it comes to jo... hence he is weak when it comes to trust.but many of us fail to understand the pain that jo is going thru..jo was not in love from the begininnig..just realised a day b4 jalal's outburst ...in that case we cant expect her to re collect all his memories...she loves him & not done phd in love..just realised her love and the next moment he suspected her with N rishtha..in that case how can we expect her to forgive him so easliy..now all are accusing her for not confronting and hiding from him..well i say its her fear...she loves him but she is scared what guarantee tmw he wont suspect her again...she had gone thru so much in agra pagal khana..and she is finding peace in madhura and leading a peaceful life..she is not happy in mathura..she just want to forget her life in agra..now she is scared what if she goes weak in jalal's love hence she is avoiding him and hiding from him just to not face another tsunami in future...coming to people here all i cud see majority is on jalal's side..i like akdha...but its really sad to see people whom i admired here are also bashing jo...if some one accuses us with N rishta what il we do even after giving our life for them...what gurantee if tmw someone comes and says jo is pregnant of his child..what guarantee jalal wont suspect her again ...i really dont want such relationship to take it to the next level unless and untill jalal cud give assurance and strength to jo that no matter he il always be thr with her...

Originally posted by: history_geek

I was waiting for your writeup. And yes there were many things happening yesterday.
I really liked the character of TodarMal, and his talk with Jalal depicted how graceful + intelligent this man is.
I wish we get such scenes involving Man Singh and Bhagwan Das with Jalal also.

Jalal was perfect yesterday. His talk made it clear that how well he understands the meaning of someone's 'mohobbat'. And, as Kshiti said i am in agreement with her thoughts. Jodha's 'hitchkichahat' and 'restlessness' depicted a lot of her plight. When she hid behind the tree, her emotions were quite visible. For a moment, her emotions overcame her ''mind's resolve'', and she ran towards Jalal for giving 'sahara'., but stopped seeing him in safe company of TodarMal. I remember one line from your writeup yesterday, or someone else wrote this - Jodha has made up her mind quite strong now to NOT fall again for 'moh' as she has faced a brutal accusation due to this, and now she refuses to start from 'normality' again. This TIME she, is ready to burn herself BUT NOT fall so easily. Both are torn souls.

Exactly, similar dialogue on 'moh' was heard yesterday from her that she once again' does not wants to get in that ''world''. And, Jalal will now require to make her come back and revive her feelings. It is he, who has to assure her in every possible means. That 'N. Rishta' is very much in her heart.!!!. No matter what, this ''second time'' question on her character was not acceptable to her, even after proving herself in that Ben track. Lets see how these 2 Birds meet again and resolve their differences. Jalal has acknowledged what wrong he did. Now he needs to clear issues with her.

Originally posted by: Gem12

Its not about gender here 111192...its about how we take it and how we think... Many of us are thinking only jalal's point of view...coz many are jalal's die hard fans...even if he does mistake also they say he was deeply in love with jo..but my question is ye kaisa pyar hai jab vishwas hi na ho..khaas kar tab wen she almost gave her life..i am not saying jo is right here and jalal is wrong...all are thinking and looking ar jalal's pain...but every one forgot his accusations..he suspected everything what ever jo did for him... be it men or women its upto us how we take things..from the beginning jalal was insecure when it comes to jo... hence he is weak when it comes to trust.but many of us fail to understand the pain that jo is going thru..jo was not in love from the begininnig..just realised a day b4 jalal's outburst ...in that case we cant expect her to re collect all his memories...she loves him & not done phd in love..just realised her love and the next moment he suspected her with N rishtha..in that case how can we expect her to forgive him so easliy..now all are accusing her for not confronting and hiding from him..well i say its her fear...she loves him but she is scared what guarantee tmw he wont suspect her again...she had gone thru so much in agra pagal khana..and she is finding peace in madhura and leading a peaceful life..she is not happy in mathura..she just want to forget her life in agra..now she is scared what if she goes weak in jalal's love hence she is avoiding him and hiding from him just to not face another tsunami in future...coming to people here all i cud see majority is on jalal's side..i like akdha...but its really sad to see people whom i admired here are also bashing jo...if some one accuses us with N rishta what il we do even after giving our life for them...what gurantee if tmw someone comes and says jo is pregnant of his child..what guarantee jalal wont suspect her again ...i really dont want such relationship to take it to the next level unless and untill jalal cud give assurance and strength to jo that no matter he il always be thr with her...

Originally posted by: Gem12

Its not about gender here 111192...its about how we take it and how we think... Many of us are thinking only jalal's point of view...coz many are jalal's die hard fans...even if he does mistake also they say he was deeply in love with jo..but my question is ye kaisa pyar hai jab vishwas hi na ho..khaas kar tab wen she almost gave her life..i am not saying jo is right here and jalal is wrong...all are thinking and looking ar jalal's pain...but every one forgot his accusations..he suspected everything what ever jo did for him... be it men or women its upto us how we take things..from the beginning jalal was insecure when it comes to jo... hence he is weak when it comes to trust.but many of us fail to understand the pain that jo is going thru..jo was not in love from the begininnig..just realised a day b4 jalal's outburst ...in that case we cant expect her to re collect all his memories...she loves him & not done phd in love..just realised her love and the next moment he suspected her with N rishtha..in that case how can we expect her to forgive him so easliy..now all are accusing her for not confronting and hiding from him..well i say its her fear...she loves him but she is scared what guarantee tmw he wont suspect her again...she had gone thru so much in agra pagal khana..and she is finding peace in madhura and leading a peaceful life..she is not happy in mathura..she just want to forget her life in agra..now she is scared what if she goes weak in jalal's love hence she is avoiding him and hiding from him just to not face another tsunami in future...coming to people here all i cud see majority is on jalal's side..i like akdha...but its really sad to see people whom i admired here are also bashing jo...if some one accuses us with N rishta what il we do even after giving our life for them...what gurantee if tmw someone comes and says jo is pregnant of his child..what guarantee jalal wont suspect her again ...i really dont want such relationship to take it to the next level unless and untill jalal cud give assurance and strength to jo that no matter he il always be thr with her...

Lovely analysis mansi.
Its not ever possible to measure amid these 2 love birds who is burning in more agony of mohabaat at the present stage of their relationship..both r gonna in same pain as same way in their heart..but the difference is jalal is expressing his pain directly that jodha can't do directly.
Another crucial matter is jodha confidently knows jalal loves her but she has a fear,she has vacillated in this love has jalal built the full trust on jodha that is the main pillar of the pati-patni's relationship..n when jodha gets this reassurance frm jalal, jodha wl fully bloom herself before jalal with her deep feelings for jalal.

Originally posted by: nabiii

Lovely analysis mansi.
Its not ever to measured amid these 2 love birds who is burning in more agony of mohabaat at the present stage of their relationship..both r gonna in same pain as same way in their heart..but the difference is jalal is expressing his pain directly that jodha can't do directly.
Another crucial matter is jodha confidently knows jalal loves her but she has a fear,she has vacillated in this love has jalal built the full trust on jodha that is the main pillar of the pati-patni's relationship..n when jodha gets this reassurance frm jalal, jodha wl fully bloom herself before jalal with her deep feelings for jalal.

Originally posted by: neeshaa16

Quiet true.. I am quiet sensitive to Jos feelings ... we as women can perfectly understand her feelings.. I am not irritated with JO.. but the CVS why do they give such dialogues.. its understood that he has come here for her in search of her.. she may be surprised seeing him in Mathura.. but she is smart enough to gauge ..why he must have come to Mathura.. You have a valid point here. I am just thinking from Jalal's POV.. not from JOdhas.. you are very right.. dear tanks .. for this.. Now I know why you can write so beautifully.. you really understand all characters very well.. Lovely ..

well im not against jodha too bit against the portrayal done by the cvs...we get so less self talks and also the dialogues.

Originally posted by: kmmdesai

Very true...😃 I am happy to see positive posts on Jodha.

Yes, Jodha did a mistake in hiding things from Jalal. Well, Jalal was not a person who invited confidences from Jodha earlier. Nor did he inspire her trust that no matter what happens, he will be with her. Yet, after everything, it was wrong of her to hide this fact from her king, if not her husband. She almost committed treason against ger king, by hiding the enemy of the state.

That said, it was very valid of Jalal to become angry. But to point a finger at her character was not accaptable. And she is right in not trusting him completely here, even when he says sorry. And she is right in not trusting her own heart too. Look where it took her... She will need time to forgive and move on. She will need time to accept Jalal back in her life. And only Jalal can make this happen. Only he can instill some trust in her, through his love and more importantly patience.

Love

Kshithi

Kshithi i like akdha... all i wanted to see is wen people cud see jalal's pain y cant they see jodha's too...both are in pain..both are right and wrong too..then y our forum is divided into two...though i dont visit other forums..but yerterday i did visit other IF forums too..but thr people are so united and looking at thr posts made me to think ..whats wrong with our forum..all i cud see here is jo or jalal's bashers..this is just a show..y to bash unncessarily..either people bash jo or jalal..or santa or pari or rajat..some say rajat is rude..some say pari is not comfortable as she is married..or some talks ill about santa..we dont what happ exactly offscreen and we hav no right to talk or draw conclusions about thr personal life..if someone talks about us and our personal stuff .we wont keep quiet..just becoz they are actors we can talk anything about them...was happpy that our forum is diff from others..but now all i cud see is jo and jalal or pari n rajat bashers...

Originally posted by: Gem12

Kshithi i like akdha... all i wanted to see is wen people cud see jalal's pain y cant they see jodha's too...both are in pain..both are right and wrong too..then y our forum is divided into two...though i dont visit other forums..but yerterday i did visit other IF forums too..but thr people are so united and looking at thr posts made me to think ..whats wrong with our forum..all i cud see here is jo or jalal's bashers..this is just a show..y to bash unncessarily..either people bash jo or jalal..or santa or pari or rajat..some say rajat is rude..some say pari is not comfortable as she is married..or some talks ill about santa..we dont what happ exactly offscreen and we hav no right to talk or draw conclusions about thr personal life..if someone talks about us and our personal stuff .we wont keep quiet..just becoz they are actors we can talk anything about them...was happpy that our forum is diff from others..but now all i cud see is jo and jalal or pari n rajat bashers...

Originally posted by: 111192

Abhay...despite being a man you understand Jodha's plight & POV lots better than many females on this forum...or is this opposite attracts so you understand jodha so well and majority of this forum members are female so they under stand jalal POV so well hence many negative posts about jodha 😉

Renu,
The point is NOT the gender.:) But, i depends on how we perceive and how much we 'TRY' to understand a character.

Just take an example. Since, last night the forum has gone gaga, why Jodha asked that - Shahenshah ab kyu aye hain.?. Was it so tough to understand.?. I could INSTANTLY get the meaning that it was due to the fact that she again does not wants to face him coz that will make her again land in that 'moh'. You see, Mansi also explained this point a page back. Even she can understand it. Kshiti as well. It's just the matter of trying to see the views of BOTH.

Coming to Jalal, all are always ready to understand what he says and how this differs from what he actually means. So, why do we fail when this comes to Jodha.?. I read comments that - 'Jalal, though asked her to leave Agra, but actually he did not mean her to leave'. When we can understand THE RIGHT MEANING OF A TOTALLY OPPOSITE SENTENCE, then why do they fail to see simple gestures/statements of the female lead.?.

She did not want to face him that night 'coz of the guilt in her that she won't be able to tell him. And, tried keeping her head low. It was so clear. She herself acknowledged that she is doing a PAAP by hiding something from her husband. Didn't she ? Still i fail to understand what self - realisation of her 'galati' we want to see.?.

Also, coming to soul talks or self talks. It is Jalal who needed the self talks more than anyone or Jodha. Because, it was Jalal who thought that there is NOTHING like 'mohobbat'. It was Jalal who believed that he has 'NO HEART'. IF YOU SEE THE SELF TALKS Jalal had, you will find majority of them, the initial ones, were mainly focussed on 'HIS OWN' realization of HIS 'dil'. What was the need of those self talks for Jodha.?. She very well understands Dil and mohabbat, and she only revived those feelings in him. Hence, Jalal needed those self talks MORE.

Now, the same applies to Jalal, he has to get those same feelings from Jodha, and this is not going to be so easy. She knows about the PAAP by hiding the truth. She herself admitted it. Jalal also knows why she behaved so. The only issue needs to be sorted out is TRUST. BOTH know what wrong they DID but now the 'character' was doubted AGAIN - this is d thorn.

BTW, 'If understanding Jodha is SO difficult then, even for every breath she takes, we need a self talk.!.😉.Lol.

Also, this ''portrayal'' is termed as forum feminism, which is said to be a ''modern'' phenomenon, as per 'some' recent authors and in the forum as well. But, i fail to understand this. ''IF'' this is a modern phenomena, then why this is in the history for ages, and if that is the case, why for ages, we call India as Bharat 'Mata' and NOT Bharat 'Pita'? :p Is this also Feminism?

I went somewhere else while writing this. 😆 But, it is not so tough to read a character. Agree with u. :D