CVs, please bring my Jodha back! - Page 18

Originally posted by: ---Khushi---

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U nailed it buddy...👏...Jo lovers r claiming that they THINK both r wrong, but their posts & their posts' titles r clearly anti-Jalal.

On the other hand, Jalal supporters are simply saying, Jalal was wrong, but he was led on to behave wrongly by Jodha, who had noble intentions but terrible execution capabilities. So, both could have hugged & made up, by both apologising.

That's it.

Originally posted by: Kaana

Thanks Divya for your kind response and thoughtfulness. I still have some quota for the day to exhaust, post which will reach out to you as advised.

And even I am loving this, I like to rake my lil brain.

Thanks again. I love debates as well.

My response:

The way i look at it is, the Jodha who could not bear an injury to a pigeon, who does not like it being caged, who could not stand a deer being attacked and risked her life to save it, could not bear the grief of even a baandi - will she be stone hearted to see Jalal suffering? We even have proof that she could bear to see him suffer regarding Bakshi and was doing her best to relieve him of his pain. Even any of his physical injury, pained her so much (we have Jalals' own words here). So, putting things in perspective, will such a compassionate person allow any person such a pain (pain is an understatement to what Jalal was going through), that too when it is her dear husband?

In my humble view, instead of looking at it based on the normal way people behave, I think if we put things in perspective and analyse it, having the above said points in mind, the answers maybe different. As always, provided the CVs are not confused and have brought her character down to a normal teenager love life. While the feeling of love could be same irrespective of who it is, the approach and reactions would be different based on who it is!

So, I am adamant, by the strength of her character, that she could not have erred silly and there has to be a reason for the said behaviour, I only wish I could get into her mind.

And all I wish were the CVs didn't make us guess?

In the context, few things that I could recollect is:

Sujamal telling Jodha that he took the current disguise despite being a Rajvanshi, as for a Rajvanshi keeping the word is of utmost importance. Jodha also prays to Kahna that ''despite being a Rajvanshi he has stooped down to this level (disguise) just to keep up his word to me and to protect my husband. Is it not required to take his side? Pl protect him."

When Jalal comes in search of Sujamal and later leaves, Jodha even tells "what do I do now? On one side saying it to Jalal and on the otherside word given to Sujamal".

Looking at these points, as a true Rajvanshi honouring given word is utmost importance to her and she takes it as her responsibility to save him, given that he is in this situation because of her and the word given to her.

And maybe it is a way by which we are being introduced to Jodha - we appreciate her character better when challenged with all these questions, instead of imagine, being told she is like this😉

And all this hoping fervently, that CVs are not diluting her character inadvertently!!!!

That is the thing right- we have to imagine a thing. I give you credit for imagining a thing well...I hope the CVs show Jodha reflecting and telling us the same.

Regarding silence, my thought is that what else she could do then? She tried to say something when Jalal came in first, he just silenced her. And the second time, she was being asked at gun point - not that Jodha is scared of a gun, but the emotion behind needs to thought about. The rage in which he was, already prejudiced, is not the time for explaining things and that too in such a way that he will not harm Sujamal also.

You know- I wish the Cvs had let Jodha say it once so we could have said Jalal was prejudiced. Then Jodha would have had full defense. The issue is he had already decided to harm Sujamal- that is why I was surprised she didn't so anything to calm him.

Given his state of mind then, had Jodha said that it is not as you think, but I cannot tell who it is or even let us assume that she breaks her promise and says "its Sujamal", how do you think Jalal would have reacted? He definitely would have asked who he is and cannot take her hiding anything from him and secondly, if he knows its Sujamal, first thing he would want is to kill him (he is not going to think, that Jodha has told the truth so I will forgive him).

Again, I don't know what I don't know ... I don't know how Jalal would have reacted but could it have been any worse than what he did? Then at least we could have said Jodha spoke up and he still didn't trust

So, the situation on hand, is primarily to protect the innocent life and bear anything as a consequence. Jalal may be pained more than death, but the fact still remains, that he is alive and there is no threat to his life as yet which is not so in the case of Sujamal.

Wise person will not get carried away by emotions but will only approach with an attitude of "what needs to be done now" given the situation on hand.

Also, even when Jalal said that he has seen her with this man and is aware (first part of convo when comes in with rage), what could be running in her mind - oh no, what all he knows? does he know he is Sujamal and what would happen to him now? - Possible? She may also have been confused and stunned by his rage (as she did not have an ounce of doubt that he could doubt her). The reason why it never even struck her that there could be a possbile doubting situation about her night meetings, which she did without a second thought. And the final blow, that left her numba and dumb when all the trust were seen burnt to ashes.

In that moment, Sujamal is her primary point of concern, not because she is more loyal to him than Jalal, but simply because he life is at stake and not Jalal's.

I wish the Cvs gave half as much thought for Jodha's views as you did ... I hope she one day explains what she did and why ...Thanks again!

Originally posted by: divyavm

Khushi, Well said! I have just been criticized in Radhika's thread for being aggressive for saying the same thing.

BTW, since when did a feminist only need to understand a woman's point of view ... I don't understand Maham Anga at all 😆

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Divya,

Today in our New Year's day and I am run off my feet, but I thought I should respond on this thread before I shut down the laptop. So here goes.

Happy Tamil New Years! Thanks so much for posting on such a busy day.

You know, or rather you should know, where I stand on Jodha. The only times I liked her was as Kajri and a little earlier, in the immediate aftermath of the Benazir track.

My primary grouse against her is that as a 16th century princess and then queen, she is very far from being realistic. No woman in her position in those days could have behaved as she does, and got away with it. She is like a 21st century feminist of the negative kind, self-righteous, obstinate, unimaginative, and where Jalal is concerned, totally lacking in perception, understanding and sensitivity. And in the process of her progressive canonisation by the Hamida Banu-led coterie, these aspects of Jodha's portrayal have only become worse.

Perhaps by association with and his current obsession with her, Jalal, once so assertive, shrewd, decisive and imperial, has degenerated into a bumbling crybaby who is painful to watch.

So, I do not subscribe to your question, I am afraid, for to me, there nothing to bring back. What Jodha needs is a complete rewrite and that is not going to happen.

I know Aunty! 😆 But, at least the old Jodha, is better than the current one. They changed her character to suit 21st century sensibilities ... Hence, the Om Puri disclaimer.

I could add more example of inconsistencies: for one thing, earlier she was clinging to the vachan to explain to us why she was silent, but in her letter, she says her peedha at his accusations and failure to read her eyes make it impossible for her to speak up. Then again, she tells her antaraatma that it was her fault that he was angry with her, because of her obstinate silence. Very little indication fo an such crippling peedha then! But the same night, in her letter, she forget to mention her own failings, not a word about them.

You know- I am focused only on the inconsistencies before the Friday debacle ... Because after that the common reason for her confusion is she is reeling from shock of the accusations and hence, cannot react.

But none of this matters, either to the CVs or to the audience and the IF. So, while you have dissected her behaviour these last few days with the meticulous attention to facts and detail that the best lawyers need to have ( I have marked the most telling parts in dark blue) I am afraid it is all wasted effort.

I know the CVs will never read it ... I always had an observation for detail and inconsistencies ...

Nothing is going to change. No one here who is not already of your way of thinking is going to be converted by your impeccable logic and lucid formulations, for they clash with the far more comfortable, unquestioning support for Jodha. The latter will prevail.

I know - I have learned that. But the thing I have noticed is the defense for Jodha is often what is imagined on her behalf instead of what we see in the show ... I wish the CVs had half the imagination.

Onscreen, it is going to be the same predictable mush. Jalal will find Jodha, fall at her feet, literally and metaphorically, and probably wear a hair shirt for the next year and flagellate himself every morning in penance for his gunaah. Since Jodha will not be sharing his hoojra, she will never know. If she does find out, she will make a bulk supply of lep.

The bulk of the forum will still be dissatisfied, probably wanting him to be put in the pillory and displayed publicly in Agra.

They will want to test him one more time!

So, you had better shut up shop altogether for a month, and see how things go on. You are not like me, ready in indulge in sharp sarcasm, and I am myself more than tired of taking characters apart, which I why I post so irregulaly these days. You want to look for the positives, but they are going, I fear, to be in very short supply in the near future.

Yes, or else, write my post for a limited audience ... Which I am okay with.

I have sarcasm Aunty ... I just haven't shown it yet much ... Thank you so much for liking the points below.

Shyamala Aunty

Divya thanks for this post.

There were times I used to first see your thread to see the positives and not feel bad/frustrated about the episode. But this track, I didn't even wanted to read your post (sorry Divya nothing against you, but the pathetic tract and Jo's behaviour)) but could not see finding +ves on her character. As none of them made any sense.

You have covered everything baput Jo's character , ia gree everything so nothing to write about her.

But I am not even happy about Jalal's character now a days.

If you look at him as any other person being madly in love, understand. But he is a Shehenshah. CV's are just concentrating his love. But they have forgotten that he is an emperor. They need to keep his dignity, courage, honour, sophistication in place. All they show is Jalal always thinking about Jodha. Be it, when he is happy or sad, even when he thinks about his praja and enemy. This is too much to take. Now seeing him cry always. Please you cannot show him like this. I am not saying crying makes one weak or a king cant cry for his love. But cry buckets and buckets always and in front of everyone. Royal families need to know how to behave in front of others. Whether they like it or not, they need to behave well.

CV's have spoiled the character and the story so much, I just read a few posts but have stopped watching the serial.

Even if Jodha -Jalal meets and they agree about their prem. I am not sure if I would live Jodha like before.

Originally posted by: divyavm

Khushi, Well said! I have just been criticized in Radhika's thread for being aggressive for saying the same thing.

BTW, since when did a feminist only need to understand a woman's point of view ... I don't understand Maham Anga at all 😆

Originally posted by: divyavm

Khushi, Well said! I have just been criticized in Radhika's thread for being aggressive for saying the same thing.

BTW, since when did a feminist only need to understand a woman's point of view ... I don't understand Maham Anga at all 😆

Originally posted by: rpeez

I would be kicked out withing a month. Imagine this.

Me - Here's the script for the next track. *It has 3 pages*

JA team - This is it?

Me - Yeah, I mean the track's only for 2 days or rather episodes.

JA team - Ok, lemme read it. *Reads, after 5 minutes*

Me - So what do you think

JA - It's disastrous.

Me - Why?

JA - What do you mean why? Maham doesn't do anything, Ruqaiyya doesn't do anything. Jodha doesn't say anything?

Me - Um, ya... But, the track is how Adham got caught with financial embezzlement by Atgah Khan, got the boot from Jalaal. Killed Atgah vengefully, and got killed BY Jalaal in the process.

JA - What did Maham do?

Me - What can she do. Even historically, she just said "You did good", to Akbar, and went toes up 40 days later.

JA - What what about Hamida and Salima?

Me - Last time, you asked me to write dialogues for them only if Jodha was involved.

JA - Oh Ok, Why is there a sword fight between Jalaal and Adham for 7 minutes?

Me - Audience will like it. (or rather I'll like it)😉

JA - What about Jodha?

Me - She consoled Akbar after the incident, and maybe I could add a scene about her convincing him to break the news of Adham's death to MA.

JA - That's better. Let the convincing part be a bhashan of 5 minutes.

Me - Why? Can't Jalaal understand plain Hindi?

JA - Do as you're told. Add a Javeda scene.

Me - Ok, I'll show her mourning her husband's death.

JA - Make it funny.

Me - I wanna say something.

JA - What?

Me - I quit.

😆