Jodha Akbar 214: The meltdown- Part 1:Mod note pg58 - Page 16

Originally posted by: mandyg

i am pretty sure it will be paro the beloved😉..poor chandramukhi will be beggars can't be choosers😆

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

EK will make Chandramukhi a typical evil minded vamp (who will plot and plot with Devdas' bhabhi or some other evil character)...no golden hearted tawaif. If the first Queen of Akbar is not spared, how can we expect Chandramukhi to be. Chandramukhi will also be given dark purple lipstick as a symbol that she is an evil vamp.😆

Oh! the color will be changed from red to dark purple😲..i think red is more vampish😉

Originally posted by: mandyg

i am pretty sure it will be paro the beloved😉..poor chandramukhi will be beggars can't be choosers😆

No way, Chandramukhi can't be negative, Once Paro is married and if watches Dev and Chandramukhi being close, then with a twist, Paro can be turned negative. And for me Chandramukhi was Dev's love, Paro was his pride, his ego, definitely not love.

You, Khushi, are one wicked girl! But a very funny one!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: ---Khushi---

There was NO way BHARImal was gonna blame Jalal, dear...he is too politically correct & an opppurtunist, if I may say so...& we all have become so used to the bhaashans to Jalal by Jodha, that we tend to forget that we are talking about Shehenshah-e-Hind!!...infact, even Jalal seems to have forgotten this teeny weeny bit of breaking news 😆

N thankfully, CUCKOOwati did not do her mono act in front of Jalal 😆 ...else, he may have fallen at her feet too

Originally posted by: aashyagh

Adi, as Jodha is missing now, they will not blame Jodha, but once she is found safe, hope Ameris give her some sense, but expecting them to blame Sujamal or Jodha at this stage, no parent would do. We should just be glad that, they didn't blame Jalal.

So this is what is being done with my thread!😉

First there was one Birdiee , who had nothing to say about either the episode or the opening post, which I think she never read, but who, with the willing co-operation of you folks, went on and on over 10 pages about whom Akbar loved (as if anyone knows that) and who had how many kids (which seemed to be equally vague), all of which belonged by right on one of Abhay's threads.😉 The only good thing about that was that I did not have to respond to any comments on those pages!😉

And now we have Devdas. No wonder the length of the thread grows apace, but all things considered I much prefer Devdas and the chipmunk chatter to fruitless speculations about Akbar's harem and nursery list.😉

Shyamala/Aunty

Originally posted by: mandyg

Oh! the color will be changed from red to dark purple😲..i think red is more vampish😉

All I hope is that Rajat does not play Devdas.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: aashyagh

No way, Chandramukhi can't be negative, Once Paro is married and if watches Dev and Chandramukhi being close, then with a twist, Paro can be turned negative. And for me Chandramukhi was Dev's love, Paro was his pride, his ego, definitely not love.

My dearest Anne,

What a pick me up you are! Why on earth would you need any bubbly, when you fizz and froth like a whole magnum of Dom Perignon all on your own?

Plus you are no slouch at one liners and wickedly funny phrases yourself, I have marked the ones that made me gurgle with laughter in deep blue.

I was intrigued by your thesis about Jalal's masochistic need to hurt himself, as a form of expiation, whether it is by listening to Hamida's tirade or Salima's softer homilies. I was convinced too, for one does not need to go to creepy things like self-mutilation to illustrate this psychological kink. Why, it is a staple of tragic romance in our films; one has only to remember Amitabh's Amit Malhotra telling Rakhee's Pooja in Kabhi Kabhie, Dard hi dawa ban jaata hai.

The bit about dissociative disorder is also spot on.

But one point where I have a definite reservation. You say And him taking all this advice/bhasan from the female population is such pathetic. But he always does that, Anne. When he was faced with an openly rebellious Bairam Khan, he consulted only 3 people, and they were all women: Mahaam Anga, Hamida Banu, and Ruqaiya. Now he asks Salima because it is a matter of the heart, not siyasati, that is all.

As for the CCP cadre joke, I must tell you that only Donjas and you really got it, and enjoyed it as it should be enjoyed.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: AJSharma79

Hallo...so the party in your thread has begun? Right, I have just calmed down enough to type. Your jokes and one liners will be death of me one day...

I am glad that you found something to be glad about in JA with the whole circus going on full swing. I was left thirsting for something strong to numb my brain after watching Queen Mother in all her glory reprimanding her son. I still shudder when I think of her. And Aunty if I was in Pune, I would have crashed your bubbly party, for I think I will definitely need a kindred spirit and the spirit itself to make it true (thru) this Majnun phase (Majnun aunty?? He is such a bad poster boy for testosterone don't you think?). Jalal with his permanently open tear tap is transfiguring from the perfectly chiselled power house into a schlemiel. His lamenting is worse than the laments of an old dying croon.

He starts with perfectly in control of all his faculty. His whole conversation with that painting (ok, it's a bit creepy because I am always reminded of leering Sharifuddin) was like the most sensible use of his brain in rather a long time. I jolted upright and saw home glimmer like silvery thread.

I attribute this very accurate observation of yours i.e.

This was regardless of my reservations about his assertion that she had always sambhalofied him, as if they were a happily married, well adjusted couple of longstanding, and as if there had never been nasooors like the dhakka between them. Not to speak of the edgy tentativeness of all their interactions, with absolutely no demonstrative affection, or even ease from her side, and the constant worry about being accused of SKLL on his.

What this showed is that Jalal is now clearly inhabiting a vision of his life with Jodha that is a pleasing, though fictional mental construct, no more. But the point is that he has begun to believe in this version, like man lost in roseate opium-fuelled fantasies.

to Dissociative disorder. He has started seeing what he actually want to see as real. The line between reality and fantasy as far as his almost non-existent relationship' with his wife. If, not what else will prompt him to say this? Long term exposure to Rukaiya's Hooka Breath??

There I was rejoicing at the shadow of his former brain used for thinking self when that Eiffel Tower of Agra comes swaying in. She not only doesn't look like she is the mother of Jalal she doesn't even behave like one. She was a sorry excuse of a Queen Mother, a position which she seem to have always liked and emphasized in the past. She is no like a Giraffe aunty, she is a like horse with that patch thingy over its eye. She only see Jodha. After all this is the woman who was hell bent saving Jodha while her son lay dying.

She took away the microbial amount of brain cells that he had saved with the portrait.

I only think that he did not offer any excuse or explanation to her because he WANTS to feel guilty. He wants the pain, as he cannot accept that she is gone and his last words to her is you are an adulteress'. Ok not literally but somewhere there. He wants the pain to justify the hurt.

Him watering the tulsi...such a painful way to die...salt water. And him taking all this advice/bhasan from the female population is such pathetic. I half expected Hoshiyar Khan to join in the party too, for I am sure after the fabulous party Jodha threw him he has become a turncoat. Jalal is like the obese child that comes crying mummy the naughty children stole my ladoo', when he could have with one stare of one whack showed his power over the scrawny children. He could have silenced all this females effortless, but again he wants the pain. He is like those very depressed or mentally disturbed people who self-mutilate. The pain gives relief.

I feel so irked that he stands there taking all this. There was once a time when these same women were pinning for his attention and were being silenced without words from him. But see now. This is what happened when you start having a heart and you start giving them allowances.

He is not the New Age Man. He is like a new age invertebrate something someone just discovered under the microscope because no man king or not should cry this much.

Salima to me is like the All Seeing Eye...she sees all, with only one eye! And she would have told Jalal that BK in his infinite wisdom would not approve of this retrieve Jodha mission, had she wanted Jalal for herself.

And Mainavati may have opened the doors for JOdha...if not for Jodha, for Kahana sake I suppose. Probably what Jalal thought. Besides she drank poison...all past and present and future sins are forgiven. Period.

And jodha's sudden change of status to bahut prem' makes me want to laugh manically. Can there be anything more oxymoron than that??

I do not want him to find her safe and sound aunty. I want her to have toiled, hungered and pained. So at their meeting both will be in pain both physical and mental for they totally deserve it. Jalal for being stupid and so is Jodha Matta.

And Aunty you will be death of me with that CCP line. Dear god, the kind of image that line put in my head!!

Thank you so much, my dear Varsha. I tried to make it funny, and I hope I succeeded at least to some extent!

As for your vigorous and very colourful (literally and otherwise) comments, I was very amused by your cracks - the one at the very end about what Jodha might be up to is sidesplitting - and impressed by the sheer energy you display.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: varshaakulkarni

I TAKE A BOW for yours exceptionally written analysis aunty😊 ...

btw u wrote - The funny thing is that 450 years down the road, Jodha's rooh is if anything even more aggressive in pursuing this line of attack Aapko dekhna chahiya tha, par nahin.. Aapne hamare moun ko hamaar apradh samajh liya..aur hamare prem ko paap. Bang! Knockout blow!

( well i wud like to say something - What on earth was this lady expecting from jalal to swim inside her eyes & find the hidden truth out of a shell ...??? did SHE ever SEE into HIS EYES from last 2 weeks about HIS changed behavior ???? NO SHE DIDNT even bother ...!!! jodha keeps MOUN VRAT when it was very very very much necessary to open her UGLY MOUTH ... & she opens her mouth wide enuf to give bhashans when it is absolutely not required (ex- project tasleem, project hoshiyar b'day party , project mazhar etc)

Aur hamare PREM ko PAAP ...???? hawww 😲 aunty i am just recollecting all the episodes & out of which i have only heard jodha blabbering "hum aapse ghrina karte hain" untill zeher piyo scene ... n then post zeher piyo scene jodha sings "hamne keval apna patni hone ka KARTVYA nibhaya hai" even after jalal questioning why did she gobble zeher ... her uttar was "PATNI DHARAM , KARTAVYA NIBHAYING & SAATFERE KA VACHAN " ... aunty When did she mention about her PREM to jalal ...??? we came to knw about her PREM in her "MAKE JALAL FEEL GUILTY PATRA" (till then i had no clue she had Prem for jallu ) 😕

TE was better off with his 5000 begums , becoz handling 1 jodha is equivalent to handling 10000 begums tantrums at a time... hussh !!! he must be so tired now cursing his allah on which muhurat did he marry this lady ...😆 simultaneously snapping bharmal & mainavati for hiding about jodha's DISORDERS ...😆 becoz even after 450 years the bhashan machine is STILL INTACT without any failure in the system 😡

My dear Aunty very soon u'll see the ambe maa ka mandir in agra will be replaced by Jodha's murti (w.r.t the glorification of HER coming back to palace) ... the whole of agra with the presence of HH Jalal & family will be seen performing the aarti of that murti ...👏

Atlast i pray the same Ambe maa of agra to activate the braindead Jalal & would specially perform a MAHAPOOJA to activate female harmones in Jodha to come out of the Saint trance mode ... !!!! 🥱 also I would request our hakim jodha sahiba to prepare a "SPECIAL MALE & FEMALE HARMONE ACTIVATION KADHA" for herself & for TE ... (p.s - kadha for TE coz hez weeping like girls )😭

haaa ... !!! currently my manasik awastha has gone for a toss seeing jalal's condition 😭 , i wonder what is jodha upto nowadays ... happily cooking prasad for her kanha whilst lecturing the nirdaush pashu pakshi for causing noise pollution in the van (forest) when she is singing her aarti ...🤢

No, Mandy, but I might try, though I do not like such very harrowing subjects. It is bad enough having to read the horrors described at length in the daily papers. I even try never to see the cheerharan scene in the Mahabharata!

But I hear that this is a very moving film, and now with your warm endorsement, I will take the plunge and see what it is like.

When I was the DCM in our Embassy in Washington in the latter half of the 1990s, there was a horrible, very disturbing exhibition in New York. It was a collection of picture postcards about the public lynching of blacks in the Southern US till the 1930s. People used to go in their Sunday best to watch these public torture-cum-execution spectacles, carrying their youngest children on their shoulders. Later, they sent these picture postcards of the scene to their friends, circling themselves in the photo to prove to the friends that they were there. The US Post Office banned these postcards only in 1923.

Can you even comprehend such human degradation and sheer viciousness? Remember that these were not gangsters or thugs. They were perfectly ordinary citizens. And this was in the country self-proclaimed to be the most advanced in the world. No one talks about these things these days, but it was true.

As true as the Dutch who hunted down Jewish men, women and children and dragged them out of hiding places and handed them over to the Nazis at so much per head of blood money. There was a 2002 book about this that came out when I was the Indian Ambassador to the Netherlands.It was called Kopfgeld, Dutch for head money.

Sorry to be so depressing, but this is what perfectly respectable people can be like. Not out of unbearable pressure, but out of either sadism or greed or both.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: mandyg

shyamala, have you seen '12 years a slave'..what a movie, absolutely loved it! and to my surprise some of the slavery scenes of JA were taken from the movie..even the dialogues..😆..but of course a bad version of the movie!