Jodha Akbar 212: Manna from Heaven or a mrigtrishna ? - Page 7

Originally posted by: TheIronLady

Sandy👏

Why are you sitting here and not on the writer's chair?😡

Illogical thinking, extreme contradictions and hail heroine formula is an essential criteria to be in the writer's chair of JA. I lack all three.

Originally posted by: munnirony

@sandy, i feel she should have accepted her faults as well in the letter. ur dialogues r also blaming only jalal. but if jodha also had accepted tht she was also wrong on her part, then things should have been balanced.

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Fine then, Lets add...I really wish my brother had not bound me by that vachan that sealed my lips and gave you so much pain too. If not for the vachan I would you have told you right at the start. You don't know, how guilty I felt at hiding the meeting from you.

If she accepts the faults, she wouldn't have left, Shreya, and there would be no story. I am only conceiving a letter that is slightly reasonable instead of the one about the vachan-paalan and find your heart one.

PS: Added this point too to the letter.😃

Originally posted by: munnirony

no dear. if she even accepts her fault, then also she can leave bcoz her character was questioned. & noone woman can tolerate tht. she should have just added tht i know i was also wrong for hiding the facts from u, but then u should also had trusted me based on our past experiences. i want balance. there can be very well a story even if accepts her faults, but at the same time she clears her stand.

Check the edited letter Shreya. Have included your point too. 😃

I am astonished that you kids really liked the tripe they dished out today. No wonder Ekta takes us all for granted. Don't you ever dare complain any more about the CVs or the script holes!

No, I did not like her walking out of Agra, nor did I think it was cute. Her letter was an exercise in deliberate and cunning sophistry which would work only with this idiot of a husband.He deserves all that he gets

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: munnirony

she looked cute & its gud tht she misses jallu. but again her lectures really pissed me off. is it only jalal's responsibility to believe her??? her talks about marriage vows & u should have looked into my eyes was OTT. i mean u dont allow jalal to come close, how will he look into ur eyes???😭

Originally posted by: sashashyam

I am astonished that you kids really liked the tripe they dished out today. No wonder Ekta takes us all for granted. Don't you ever dare complain any more about the CVs or the script holes!

No, I did not like her walking out of Agra, nor did I think it was cute. Her letter was an exercise in deliberate and cunning sophistry which would work only with this idiot of a husband.He deserves al that he gets

Shyamala Aunty

Aunty, Jodha walking out of Agra was not cute, Paridhi was cute in less jewellery and those tearful looks. The actress not the character. The letter of course was a warning bell " dare you contradict me hereafter."

Jodha Akbar 213: Masterly sophistry

Tonight's episode highlighted only one problem . Jalal can see only his own faults, and bends over backwards apologising for them to Jodha. He cannot see hers, nor tackle them, at least not in a cool-headed, practical manner.

He cannot stand up for himself, he cannot assert himself like any normal husband would with any normal wife. He cannot read her the riot act and call her to order. That is in fact his problem, and Jodha Begum, who has got used to bending him to her will every time without exception, cannot understand it now if her midnight trysts are not seen by him as part of the normal behaviour of a paaksaaf patni. One cannot blame her for it, can one! Galti to Jalal ki hai.

She refers condescendingly now to the prem ka kamal jo ghrina ke keechad mein khilne laga, as as though she was St.Peter opening the Pearly Gates for him, and Jalal reacts with a maniacal stare that shows the whites all around the iris and makes him look demented. Which, by the way, is what he is at the moment. He is so shocked and gratified that I fully expected him to do a shashtaang namaskaar to the absent Kanha.

As Adiana says so perceptively, Jodha does not know the first thing about love - it is never about paana, which is all she thinks it to be, it is about ek doosre ka ho jana. And she never will learn what it is, asal mein prem karna to door ki baat hai.

I was so irritated by it all that the Jodha defending Jalal cut no ice with me, I am afraid, so you will have to supply that for yourself. They are both benighted idiots, but she is far more destructive than he could ever be.

She pontificates about the vivah ke vachan, and selectively accuses Jalal of forgetting the one that he has to trust his wife under all circumstances. I have never heard of any such vachan. The man promises to provide for and protect the wife; he does not give her a blank cheque for all time to come to behave as she likes.

Which vivah ke vachan has she honoured? Did she trust her husband when he said he had not touched her? No. Did she honour him? No, she proclaimed repeatedly in public that she hated him. So what selective vivah ke vachan is she talking about now?

The thing is that she has pulled a very clever stunt with that letter, which is a masterly exercise in sophistry. She has now shifted the blame on to him, exculpated herself entirely, and pushed the guilt-ridden Jalal completely on the defensive.

And this just because he allows her to do so, since he is besotted with her. A normal Rajvanshi husband would have thrown her into prison or executed her on the spot on the suspicion of infidelity, and she surely knows it courtesy her maasa and her dadisaa. Would Bharmal have tolerated his daughter's midnight meetings, even if they were with Sujamal? Not on your life!

The day before, she was telling her antaraatma that the fault was hers because she had not told her husband the truth and maintained silence. Now she has apparently changed her tune, and is asserting that no matter WHAT she had said, he should have looked into her eyes and known the truth and trusted her!

So now Jalal is expected to be a clairvoyant on top of everything else, and peer into her eyes without worrying about another dhakka.

Jodha has also now begun attributing her obstinate and extremely misleading silence NOT to the unbreakable vachan given to her Sujamal Bhaisa to the thes that Jalal's lack of implicit and unquestioning trust in her had caused her. She should get a prize for revisionist thinking and re-interpretation of her past utterances and stands!

She of course does not think it necessary to lend even a passing thought to the thes her very dubious behaviour must have caused her husband, and would have caused any husband. This is a selective blame game with a vengeance!

Now, she goes out from the palace in the night like Nirupa Roy in the 1960s and 1970s films, with a bundle, the only difference being that Nirupa Roy usually had a child in tow and Jodha lugs along that heavy bronze Kanha. And when Nirupa Roy used to leave her house and hearth, it used to start raining at once, to add to the tragic impact. Here, Paridhi probably does not like getting wet, so it has not rained as yet!😉.

Here you have a very pretty lone woman wandering all over the countryside. The risks to her are obvious. Soon someone, probably Sharifuddin, will kidnap her, and then Jalal will have go to her rescue.

I am sick and tired of this heroine worship and the pulling down of the male lead. I am sick of this man weeping like a faucet in full flow, and generally looking like a poodle that has been soundly kicked. Even Rajat could not salvage that weepy letter-reading session for me. Has Jalal never heard of dignified sorrow? Why does he cry so much? It is hardly edifying.

Why don't they get rid of Jalal altogether, and have the show solely on Jodha & Jodha? But they won't, for it is Jalal who brings in the TRPs, and the more he prostrates himself, the higher they will rise.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

PS: If Jodha instructs Moti to read her letter to Jalal, she must know that he cannot read. Is this a new piece of enlightenment, or if she knew it all along, why did she write the letter that led, eventually to the dhakka? No one knows, and no one is likely to know either.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Episode 213: Masterly sophistry

Tonight's episode highlighted only one problem . Jalal can see only his own faults, and bends over backwards apologising for them to Jodha. He cannot see hers, nor tackle them, at least not in a cool-headed, practical manner.

He cannot stand up for himself, he cannot assert himself like any normal husband would with any normal wife. He cannot read her the riot act and call her to order. That is in fact his problem, and Jodha Begum, who has got used to bending him to her will every time without exception, cannot understand it now if her midnight trysts are not seen by him as part of the normal behaviour of a paaksaaf patni. One cannot blame her for it, can one! Galti to Jalal ki hai.

She refers condescendingly now to the prem ka kamal jo ghrina ke keechad mein khilne laga, as as though she was St.Peter opening the Pearly Gates for him, and Jalal reacts with a maniacal stare that shows the whites all around the iris and makes him look demented. Which, by the way, is what he is at the moment. He is so shocked and gratified that I fully expected him to do a shashtaang namaskaar to the absent Kanha.

She pontificates about the vivah ke vachan, and selectively accuses Jalal of forgetting the one that he has to trust his wife under all circumstances. I have never heard of any such vachan. The man promises to provide for and protect the wife; he does not give her a blank cheque for all time to come to behave as she likes.

Which vivah ke vachan has she honoured? Did she trust her husband when he said he had not touched her? No. Did she honour him? No, she proclaimed repeatedly in public that she hated him. So what selective vivah ke vachan is she talking about now?

The thing is that she has pulled a very clever stunt with that letter, which is a masterly exercise in sophistry. She has now shifted the blame on to him, exculpated herself entirely, and pushed the guilt-ridden Jalal completely on the defensive.

And this just because he allows her to do so, since he is besotted with her. A normal Rajvanshi husband would have thrown her into prison or executed her on the spot on the suspicion of infidelity, and she surely knows it courtesy her maasa and her dadisaa. Woudl Bharmal have tolerated his daughter's midnight meetings, even if they were with Sujamal? Not on your life!

The day before, she was telling her antaraatma that the fault was hers because she had not told her husband the truth and maintained silence. Now she has apparently changed her tune, and is asserting that no matter WHAT she had said, he should have looked into her eyes and known the truth and trusted her!

So now Jalal is expected to be a clairvoyant on top of everything else, and peer into her eyes without worrying about another dhakka.

Jodha has also now begun attributing her obstinate and extremely misleading silence NOT to the unbreakable vachan given to her Sujamal Bhaisa to the thes that Jalal's lack of implicit and unquestioning trust in her had caused her. She should get a prize for revisionist thinking and re-interpretation of her past utterances and stands!

She of course does not think it necessary to lend even a passing thought to the thes her very dubious behaviour must have caused her husband, and would have caused any husband. This is a selective blame game with a vengeance!

Now, she goes out from the palace in the night like Nirupa Roy in the 1960s and 1970s films, with a bundle, the only difference being that Nirupa Roy usually had a child in tow and Jodha lugs along that heavy bronze Kanha. And when Nirupa Roy used to leave her house and hearth, it used to start raining at once, to add to the tragic impact. Here, Paridhi probably does not like getting wet, so it has not rained as yet!😉.

Here you have a very pretty lone woman wandering all over the countryside. The risks to her are obvious. Soon someone, probably Sharifuddin, will kidnap her, and then Jalal will have go to her rescue.

I am sick and tired of this heroine worship and the pulling down of the male lead. I am sick of this man weeping like a faucet in full flow, and generally looking like a poodle that has been soundly kicked. Even Rajat could not salvage that weepy letter-reading session for me. Has Jalal never heard of dignified sorrow? Why does he cry so much? It is hardly edifying.

Why don't they get rid of Jalal altogether, and have the show solely on Jodha & Jodha? But they won't, for it is Jalal who brings in the TRPs, and the more he prostrates himself, the higher they will rise.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

PS: If Jodha instructs Moti to read her letter to Jalal, she must know that he cannot read. Is this a new piece of enlightenment, or if she knew it all along, why did she write the letter that led, eventually to the dhakka? No one knows, and no one is likely to know either.

You and I must be telepathic, Ash, for I have already done it, and it is there just above this one. When you read it, you will understand why I wrote it, and I hope the Nirupa Roy bit amuses you.

I was so angry that the Jodha defending Jalal cut no ice with me at all, I am afraid, so you will have to supply that for yourself. They are bot\he benighted idiots, but she is far more destructive than he could ever be. And as Adiana says so perceptively, Jodha does not know the first thing about love, and she never will.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

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