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Posted: 11 years ago
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Yaar jo kar raha hai jalalt hik kar raha vo jo se pyaar karta hainto vishwas bhi bhut karta hai isliye us se kuch nhibol raha hai usne kitni baar phle us par aarop laagaye the paar saare galat nikle meine khi pada ki jalal ab bohot hi darpook jaie harkat kar raha matlab use jo se ek shensha ke taur par usse puch tach karni chahi thi kunki fir uska majak udaya jayega aisa IF mein lkha hua tha i dont want disclose the lekin mujhe padte wakt bhut gussa aya tha kunki vo bhul gaaye the ki jalal pyaar karta hai jo se aur aise kiski himmat hogi shehnsha e hind ke uppar hasne ki vo baas usse return mein trust mang rha jo bhi to vachan mein bahandi hui hai how i wish that ther would be a red croos existence fingers cross promise nhi mani jayegi aur jaha tk jo ko vapase amer phu xhaneki hai to mujhe lag raha hai ki ye sab jalal irritation mein kr raha hai jisse vo itni mohobbat krta hai vo us pr trust nhi karti
Lekin do teen question hai
Agar jo vapase chali jayehi to fir attacker ke baare mein kaise pta chal ga aur jo amer na ja kar jungle kaise ja sakti hai uske sath kuch sanik honge dass dassi honge to vo usse jungle me akle kaise chodh sakte hai
P.S aur gli baar post mein mat likhna ki jalal darpok ki tarah behave kar raha ya fir j pagal ho gaya hhi ki vo jo se directly kuyn nhi puch raha toh iska javab yeha hai ki vo usse behinthaa MOHOBBAT karta haii aur MOHBBAT kya cheez hoti hai yhe to MOHABBAT karne vala hi bhter smajhe skta hai aur jose bhi writter ne yh likha hai main gli baar use tolerate nhi karongi jallu ke baare mein y jo ke baarenmein kuch bhi gaanda nhi sunugi so BEWARE
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Posted: 11 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: adianasr

Hi Krishi. Welcome to the discussion.

As for this 'Herione is Mahaan', I think I will call Zee on Monday and tell them that we are fed up of seeing the heroine is mahaan all the time and in this particular track would actually like to see Jodha apologise to her husband for putting him thru such a situation!!! In fact seeing this entire track, I am now wondering on my own feminist and liberal stance and re-evaluating all situations!!! If the men today had one - tenth the liberal mindedness of this TE, I would say that women would be in heaven!!!

As for TE questioning Jodha - as most have said - even parents question their kids (boys and girls) when they see them meeting someone unknown surreptitiously in the middle of the night and then try to hide the same!!! Kya pati ka itna bhi haq nahin hai to ask his wife???? If it was the husband doing this, we all do believe that the wife has every rt to question the husband and we do not call it 'doubting his character' - Toh agar pati ne patni se yeh sawaal kiya toh it is 'doubting her character'???? I fail to understand the logic!!! I have always believed what is sauce for Gander is sauce for Goose and the reverse is also true - what is sauce for Goose is sauce for Gander too!!!


i dont have any issues with heroine mahan. but for tht they doesnt need to have a lazy hero. ok he can make mistakes but let him do sumthing. since, the divorce track this laziness is on. ok his ideas or steps might go wrong but at least let him do sumthing. for eg. i want him to face the attacks alone & single-handedly. jodha & sujamal may make him aware, but let him find the culprit alone. there should be an equality which is missing big time since tasneem track. keep jodha strong, but dont make jalal weak. he can be right or wrong, cruel or saint but he cant be weak & lazy.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: munnirony


i dont have any issues with heroine mahan. but for tht they doesnt need to have a lazy hero. ok he can make mistakes but let him do sumthing. since, the divorce track this laziness is on. ok his ideas or steps might go wrong but at least let him do sumthing. for eg. i want him to face the attacks alone & single-handedly. jodha & sujamal may make him aware, but let him find the culprit alone. there should be an equality which is missing big time since tasneem track. keep jodha strong, but dont make jalal weak. he can be right or wrong, cruel or saint but he cant be weak & lazy.


Exactly!!! They don't have to make Jalal lazy to show Jodha strong and intelligent. Please!!!

They cud have taken it in an entirely different route like Jodha coming across the news that someone inside the palace wants to kill Jalal and then Jalal taking over the investigation from her. And then they could have made Jalal and Jodha discuss about it during the nights with their hand holding sessions😆. This would have made a realistic picture of Jalal-Jodha rather than wat is being shown in the serial.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: JeannieJA

at times it almost feels like somebody needs to stand up and fight for the men's right in these shows. 😆 I don't know what makes these channels, PH and CVs think that we wanna watch mahaan heroines and dhakkan heroes. Dear CVs, we like our men strong and smart thank u very much 😆


Yesss! I feel that too for the male leads in almost all the BT serials😆 seriously, these men need to be given a reprieve from such female leads😆 After seeing so many BT female leads giving lectures, nowadays I am thinking twice before I start saying anything to my guy friends in fear that they ll think of me in the same way as we are thinking of BT heroines n their lectures😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Adi
You are perfectly right.😊
Inspite of being one of the staunchest Jalal admirers I have to admit to one shortcoming of his - he loves people too deeply and sincerely and he pampers and spoils people whom he loves a lot...
He indulged Bairam Khan a lot and worshipped him. BK's loyalty to the Sultanate is unquestionable. He is the reason Jalal is the warrior he is, and the Emperor. But as Jalal never questioned him, BK became a truant.:evil:
Ma is the reason why Jalal is alive. His only solace in a torn childhood. But he gave her too much space which made her take too much liberties.😡
Ruqaiya - needless to say - diya maangoon tho aaftaab laakar qadam par rakh diya. Allowed her the freedom of using his power endlessly. Petted, pampered and spoilt her.:roll:
And Jodha is latest in the list - Jalal has always overlooked every fault of hers. Atmost only teased her for endangering his life, put up with all her rudeness, praised her to the skies whenever he could, and now she resigns and expects him to come running to her asking why! To keep him at arms length always and approaches him only for others issues - a tool to establish her distinction. (it is not that he is not aware of it all though... the reason why he shoots - tell me, now that you have called me what new law should I pass, what old rivaaz should I change)😭
Jalal knows and yet accommodates, as he values.
So he has made himself what he is. He has stooped to pick up crushed leaves when dasis stand nearby. He has run behind so much that even his quietness will be criticised. He will be expected to be the teenage boy friend ever ready to run behind his sweet heart, to work for her and solve all her issues (and her family's) and wipe her worries and please her. He always has to do something extra-special. Any regular normal act of his will be greeted with censure. Even if he behaves like any ordinary man in his situation would, let alone an emperor whose word is command in the entire country, he will be bashed.
Kya karein...kismet hai...and as Jalal always says, yeh kismet usne khud likha hai.😭
PS: But come what may, rain or shine, ( howmuch ever he makes a fool of himself and stoops) I am always on team Jalal.

Count me in Sandhya.. I too am always in team Jalal.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: adianasr

Hi Krishi. Welcome to the discussion.

As for this 'Herione is Mahaan', I think I will call Zee on Monday and tell them that we are fed up of seeing the heroine is mahaan all the time and in this particular track would actually like to see Jodha apologise to her husband for putting him thru such a situation!!! In fact seeing this entire track, I am now wondering on my own feminist and liberal stance and re-evaluating all situations!!! If the men today had one - tenth the liberal mindedness of this TE, I would say that women would be in heaven!!!

As for TE questioning Jodha - as most have said - even parents question their kids (boys and girls) when they see them meeting someone unknown surreptitiously in the middle of the night and then try to hide the same!!! Kya pati ka itna bhi haq nahin hai to ask his wife???? If it was the husband doing this, we all do believe that the wife has every rt to question the husband and we do not call it 'doubting his character' - Toh agar pati ne patni se yeh sawaal kiya toh it is 'doubting her character'???? I fail to understand the logic!!! I have always believed what is sauce for Gander is sauce for Goose and the reverse is also true - what is sauce for Goose is sauce for Gander too!!!

Adi and when you call aslo please let then know... Jalal's life will always be in Danger. So please stop Jodha doing all James bond, Mother thereasa, Moonwalk, Daywalk, Prisonwalk with that blanket which she thinks makes her invisible. Thwy cant show that she was the one who saved him always.. This is so ridiculous... Let them bring 9 gems in and let them do something.. And please let them show Jalal's cleverness in one track atelast...
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Posted: 11 years ago
#37
CVs just need to bring the balance which was there till tasneem track. dont make jalal weak thts it. i want the alpha-male & the actual TE, not a hero who is just standing & watching.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#38
MINDBLOWING PREDICTION ...AB BAS DEKHNA YEH HAI KI HW CV'S WILL BRING OUT THIS ON SCREEN... HMM HOPE YEH MU JALDI SULAJ JAYE😕
Edited by onaisa - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#39
Thank you for this post! Finally a sane post where Jodha is not put on the pedestal and worshiped or sympathized. I now have the feeling that Jodha soon will be put at the same position of Kanha and will be declared a devi! Her Halo is glowing and growing bigger and bigger day by day.
So many posts about poor "bechari" Jodha and how much she suffers, humiliated and insulted gets on my nerves. I stopped writing here and after ages I am writing to vent out.

First of all forget about being the Emperor and the conservative mughal dynasty of 16th century even at this day and age I want to know and ask which husband after knowing and witnessing his wife in some one else's arms at middle of night will not question his wife and specially when the wife is hiding and concealing herself to go and meet this person??!! I want this answer! Forget about all the glorious feministic ideas and hail to women power, it sounds all fantastic but in reality all women will be asked questions if this happens. And if that woman is not married then parents will ask questions.

And the other way around as well, a woman has the right to question her husband if she finds him in a compromising position with some one else at middle of the night. So a person's character and integrity is not put to insult if a query is put to know who that stranger was with one's spouse. A spouse has a right to know and ask! Period! And here Jalal is the emperor who is there to set moral, social, ethical standards for his country, masses and family. If the emperor follows something then his masses will follow it too thinking that is an example set for the nation. The emperor allows his queen to have a rendezvous middle of the night then it will be an example for all the couples in his kingdom!!

I am surprised to see this understanding, lenient and calm Jalal even after knowing all this. If this Jalal was what we saw back in August / September he would be asking or screaming at Jodha with his sword at her neck. Here he has learnt from his past mistakes and is being cautious before crossing his limits of temper. But is it always Jalal's onus to be understanding and learning from his past mistakes? Not Jodha's?

I am so furious with the CV's for showing Jalal this way. He can't and doesn't take any decisions without being probed by Jodha. Imagine he was imprisoned for not paying pilgrimage tax and what did he do after returning back? Nothing, absolutely nothing!!! I am sure Jodha has to tell him in future that 'teerth kar dena dandaniya aparadh hai' and only after that he will get up from the stupor to pass a law against it.

Jodha has to tell him in future to hire Tansen and Todermal as his navratnas and only then he will do so. He will realize then that they are good men and he needs their company to be the greatest emperor of all times.

Jodha has to instigate him to ban 'sati' and only then he will notice and realize that such a heinous act should be prohibited at all cost!

Jodha has to tell him that he should invent a religion that will incorporate all the great aspects of hinduism, islam, christianity and persian culture and then he will have his own 'din-i-ilahi'.

I am sure in trade and commerce too later Jodha will train him and he will then expand his wisdom in that arena!

He didn't know what was going on in his harem and kingdom, slave culture was very much prevalent and how they were treated unless and until Jodha brought him in to illumination. He didn't know his masses needed a well and there is a shortage of water in his kingdom unless and until Jodha showed it to him.

I don't know what next! Jodha will also train him in war techniques? In taking political decisions? Maybe also a lecture in 'birds and bees' to carry on the lineage of mughal dynasty?! And all he will say is "Jodha begum aap ka yeh hunar bhi kamaal ka hai! Aap wajah farmati hai!"

CV's please spare us, show him as a MAN and show him as the greatest emperor that he was who knew what to do and when to do and did all that was necessary to become the famous ruler of Indian history. Jodha was a big influence on him - yes, she was his inspiration - yes, she was his love - yes, his motivation - yes, his guide - yes, his friend - yes but please give him some merit and credit as well CV's. All you are doing here is showing Jalal as a lost emperor who doesn't have any clue on anything unless and until he is being told or shown every thing by Jodha. All he does is talk to Atgah Khan, MA, Ruq or laze around, if he is not going back and forth to Jodha begum's hojra.

I am sick and tired of this holier than thou attitude of Balaji heroines who can never be wrong and even if they do wrong it is for the good of others. Jodha knows she is doing wrong but her innumerable tears to Kanha complaining of her 'asahai paristhiti' and her guilt dialogues to Moti is all that is required for all the sympathies to be out for her. If she wanted she could have told Sujamal she will not lie or hide anything from Jalal but she did not. Sujamal didn't force her into a promise, he requested her not to tell Jalal. She is intelligent enough to realize what is right and wrong and what will take to keep her marriage secured.

And now after Jodha will be questioned and banished or rather self-exiled then it will be her family and brother who will save Jalal yet another time by exposing Sharif. Whatever good happens to Jalal it will always have to be because of Jodha or some one related to her. Jalal ka khud ka toh koi wajood hi nahi hai! He is there only to roam in and around Jodha's room and apologize to Jodha for all his mistakes and wrong doings.

Jalal has no clue what is going on in his palace and kingdoms and neither does his minister Atgah Khan has any clue nor does his so-called 'jasoos' has any clues of what is going on! The omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent villains knows everything even before the emperor does or his men does and the emperor is nothing but a puppet in the villain's hands. So worthless are his men and army and guards that a prisoner can escape from his prison. any body can come and go from his harem (even men like Tejwant who came to see Shivani) without being noticed, his begum can leave and go any time of the night unless some one like MA brings it to his notice! What 'faltoo' army and men he had!

And CV's what nonsensical logic of Jodha to leave harem responsibilities! If I were any one of the begums I would have given her a piece of my mind. Why did she pick it up in the firs place? Only to do one reform and then leave it in the lurch? What was she busy on? She was going to meet Sujamal in the night then what stopped her from doing the work in the day time? Utter nonsense!

CV's not only are you ruining Jalal's image but you have spoiled Jodha's image as well by making her super human! I can't even relate to her any more.

But I will say this I am grateful for toning her down and making her gentle towards Jalal of late. Kuch toh raham kiya hum sab par!

And last but not the least, where is that passion, the flirting and teasing? Now the emperor is too goody goody, he doesn't look at her with that passion, that cunning look, that sly smile, that desire anymore, he is too scared to do anything! I want Ajmer trip Jalal back, after ages I saw that cunning sly look only once when after Jodha got better after Benazir was killed and when Jalal told her only one Rajvanshi is capable of stinging him and looked up at her with that naughty look. I want that emperor back! I want that look of Jalal of Ajmer during 'ooh aah' scene, the hand massage scene, when Jodha leaves all puzzled not understanding why Jalal agreed to give the Ratanpur qila to Dhawalgarh king and slowly Jalal looks at her retreating back and slowly gives a all-knowing cunning smile, the aarti scene look...I want that Jalal back!

Wonderful post! 👏 Thank you for letting me vent up my pent up frustrations!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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i so agree with u here
poor jalal i feel bad for him
he did a great crime by asking a question
he will be bashed left right and centre
as jodha is absolutely perfect
with no flaws or weaknesses at all
he is supposed to read her mind too
so that she does not have to answer to him
nor tell him anything
and till now jalal is her kartavya
her vachan to masa bapusa etc
she is just doing her duty
there is no question of love at all
may be a little physical distance is really required
so that she understands things
so that she can come out of the indifferent attitude
so that she can at least try to understand his pov
and i disliked her way of giving up the harem
it was so unprofessional
as if she had taken it to time pass

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