Take 5: Celebrating 200 episodes on March 21st

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First, I want to thank everyone for making yesterday's Take 5 one of the most memorable threads I have ever started. 😊To my frustration, Internet issues marred my ability to respond to the posts that I simply loved. I tried to respond to as many as I could.

Second, I want to congratulate all of us for making it to 200 episodes. While the 200th episode itself was not thrilling, I am extremely thrilled to see a trusting Jalal who is hurt that Jodha is not ready to tell him the truth and a Jodha pained to see Jalal in pain and worried for his life. That is progress from the days of ghrina, revenge, nafrat, and badla. 👏

And this progress was made despite the conspiracies of Maham Anga and Ruqs' taunts and schemes. Then, who in actuality has won?

And with that take, I am going to do my take 5 for today's episode ... Celebrate how far our show and our leads have progressed over these 200 episodes:

(1) Jalal's disappointment and anger in seeing Jodha step down as Harem ward: When Jalal first brought Jodha to Agra, he wanted her to be in a cage in one corner of the harem. Who would have imagined there was a day that Jalal would want to see her as the head of the harem? That is hope and expectations for her. And he wanted her to do a lot more than abolishment of slavery. That was clear when she told her that now everything is fine in the harem, he said that was not the case. He knew that she had the potential to continue to be a good harem ward. His displeasure was not out of hate, revenge, or a MU, it was purely disappointment as he does not realize why his Jodha Begum is not reaching her full potential and feels helpless.

(2) Jodha perceiving that all is not right between them: How we always wanted Jodha to be perceptive of Jalal and her relationship with him. I love how she came and said that all is not well and he had not come to ask her yet. That was progress- she knows he is upset of her leaving the post and wants to explain herself. The old Jodha- she would not care what Jalal thought of anything she did. Now she not only perceives how he feels but also wants to address any issues.

All I would say is this was the conversation that I felt she should have had with Jalal BEFORE leaving the post- why did it not occur to her that he would want to know why she was leaving? If she meant to tell him why she was leaving ... I wish she had

Now, why wasn't Jodha equally perceptive in getting his hints that he knows she is hiding something from him? That is the CVs dragging the track!

(3) Jalal request to Jodha to tell the truth: My heart went out to both Jalal and Jodha in this scene. Jalal asked her that I wish you would try telling the truth. There was so much pain in the statement. It is so clear that he is not doubting Jodha but is bothered by why she is hiding the truth from him and why she has not earned her trust. Jodha looked equally pained by this statement and is feeling the guilt of what she is hiding from Jalal. It was a poignant moment where Jalal and Jodha were feeling pain for each other ... Earlier they felt joy in giving pain to each other. This is the amazing journey our leads have taken over 200 episodes.

(4) MA came to Jalal, Jalal did not go to MA: In prior days, Jalal would go to Maham Anga for help and advice. Now he goes to Hamida Bano and Atgah Khan. His instincts and heart are pulling him towards the right people now. Maham Anga has to come to meet him to increase the seeds of doubt in Jalal.

And honorable mention, Jalal has his intelligence back in full force for his Jodha Begum- he guessed it could be Sujamal! And, I don't think he was entirely convinced when Maham Anga said it wasn't.

(5) Jalal still trusts Jodha and his heart is still winning: Maham Anga mentioned that there is a battle going on between his heart and mind regarding Jodha Begum. In the past, Jalal's mind would always win. Here, his heart continues to win out. He has seen Jodha with another man multiple times, Maham Anga has told him about a letter, Jodha is withdrawing from her responsibilities, so many signs to make him doubt her but his heart continues to win. He still trusts her and wonders why she is hiding something and worried for her security. I cannot imagine how anyone can believe Jalal does not trust Jodha. He is not hurt out of distrust but he feels lonely that his Jodha Begum does not trust him as much as he trusts her. And that is the most beautiful progress over 200 episodes.

Today, I am not worried about the future. I think in the last scene Jalal sees Jodha with Rahim or something which calms him down. Yesterday's precap turned out to be a joke ... And there was a furor in the forum on insults. The editing is very weird on the precap for Monday that I don't know who is looking at who.

On the new spoiler on Jalal misunderstanding and sending her out and Jodha going to the jungle, I will see it to believe it. I can imagine another version of how this spoiler may be true where out of frustration Jalal asks her to tell him the truth and Jodha is unable to answer. He may in pain say if you don't want to stay in Agra you are free. Jodha in anguish and unclear how to deal with the situation may set out to find some peace outside the palace. Jalal is worried to see her missing and goes to find her. They find each other, opens their hearts out, and then you know what. How many times has Ekta Kapoor done this track, I have lost count! 😆

Hence, enjoy your weekends. Our Jodha-Jalal have made progress, will continue to make progress, no matter what speed breakers may come to make sure this serial reaches the 1000th episode.

I am thinking of a fun weekend take 5 to celebrate 200 episodes. Hope you will join.

So, what are your thoughts on the episode and journey so far?

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Posted: 11 years ago
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My heart went out through and through and through to Jalal...
Ever since the Ben incident, Jalal's been asking question after question after question after question ...teasing her about the dhakka to get her to retort...pleading with her to get something out...hoping she'd say something during the many times he's asked 'what's going on in your mind'...holding her hand to see if she'd accept his gestures...showing and voicing his support as a friend...advising her when she's low...TELLING her she can trust him...showing his hurt - EVERYTHING!
As far as I'm concerned at this point, he's made up for all the atrocities he's committed during the Ben kaand! After those 2 day tears in the dargah, I wasn't as moved as I'm today...at this point the kind of internal hurt he's swallowing every second that she doesn't speak up is tormenting! The fact that he's coming up with all sorts of theories (and today he hit the jackpot too) to pacify to his mind/heart is heart-warming! Even if we saw our best friend beginning to meet up with someone else and trying to coverup those meetings (for whatever reason), we'd start feeling insecure/jealous/possessive whatever after a certain point of time! This is his wife!
If a man today told his friends 'My wife's meeting up with someone at nights..I know she's loyal, but I don't know why she's not confiding in me.. maybe she's scared...maybe its her brother' He'd be nothing less than the laughing stock of his group...
If a woman told her girlie pals that her husband/boyfriend was having covert meet ups with another girl at night and lying to hide it...all her friends would jump upon her to get her to dig deeper and NOT just sit back and watch!
Here; this guy has been brought up amidst mistrust, deceit, power-play and backstabbing from those he called his very own. Yet, he's grown to trust a girl he's barely known for less than a year - all he asks of her is to show trust in him - that he'd do good for her and protect her! All he wants from her is confidence - friendship - trust. Can she not show this back? I have no doubt she cares for him - but, she hasn't understood him like he's understood her.
If not, she'd have shown the same trust by a bit of retrospect 'If I told him about Sujamal, he wouldn't raise his sword at once...he would hear me out...let me give him this benefit of doubt...'
Also, it's not like she doesn't know of the number of enemies Sujamal has... her own father possibly hates him as much as Jalal himself does...so, if her father was in battle against Sujamal would she still be meeting up with him at nights? Maybe... but, after a point doesn't make much sense and is not ethical either. She is a queen and she'd know that they're not the first pair of siblings that have been split up in politics - not then, not today!
Jalal said he's doubted her many times in the past and failed to be proved right, so he trusts her now - which means he's learnt from his mistakes. Then, what about her? Hasn't she mistrusted him many times in the past and been proved wrong too? Be it, the tent scene where he saved her from the snake, the body heat-fake pregnancy, Sukanya alliance etc? Yes, she swallowed poison for him and took humiliation upon her head..similarly, he too put his life in danger for her and bore humiliation from her and for her sake too! So, I don't understand why only he's the one ALWAYS being proved wrong?
I absolutely loved the way her portrayal was shaping up in the past three months, but this track is not so good...why is she needlessly losing her peace AND torturing him - for no real return?
I fail to understand what it is that the CVs are trying to make Jodha do..
It is something relatively straightforward...i.e. telling Sujamal that she can't meet him... or taking back a meaningless promise during one of her three-four meetings...or just confiding 'something' to her husband...instead, I feel she's getting sucked into a web of her own undoing further and further... and really in the past week, what has she achieved by staying quiet? I mean, in a palace of thousands of inhabitants where and how is she going to start investigating if she doesn't start telling her confidants about what's happening - WHAT CAN she achieve all alone by not taking anyone into confidence?
This is getting too painful to watch - but, this drama is far far far better than the MC, Fake pregnancy or the Ben kaand because it shows where both of them stand in their relationship now...
All these high-drama tracks ran low on logic.. but, at least this one has a proper husband-wife vendetta! 😊
I'm not saddened by the track - I'm saddened by the anguish Jodha and most of all, Jalal is going through!
Edited by lashy - 11 years ago
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I agree with both of u...fab post by both of u...
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beautiful take both lashy and divi👏..what all i wanted to say you guys said it all!..lashy i too am not happy with the way jodha's portrayal is going either she is mahaanta ki devi or she is completely dumb and just like ekta's cliched heroines willing to take the whole burden on her head and not share with anybody not even the husband!..and then as we all know at the end husband is proved wrong and then all the maafis..ufff..same old stuff!...what i expect is the characters to be more close to normalcy...is it really hard to achieve?..why would a queen walk out in the middle of the night in the first place...it doesn't sound or look normal!..for sure it adds to the thrill and drama for the trp audience!

jalal's emotional turmoil has been very well portrayed by rajat👏..it looks more real and normal..his insecurities, fears, loneliness has surfaced so beautifully and in the most natural way..this will lead to his lashing out at jodha in the end..will be very well justified!

at the end of this track i want some character development on jodha's part! i thought that she has developed some feelings for him during badal kajri track but it all got shattered when i saw those confused expressions everytime jalal is digging her about certain answers related to their growth in the relation..doesn't she know that he has fallen for her and she is feeling something for him..its high time that jodha should be at par with jalal as far as emotions are concerned, not in a kartavya mode but in a lover mode😳

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Shraddha, thank you for sharing your heart out with us today ... It is too beautiful and poignant ... For a while I did not know what to say... But hats off! 👏

Originally posted by: lashy

My heart went out through and through and through to Jalal...

My heart as well...

Ever since the Ben incident, Jalal's been asking question after question after question after question ...teasing her about the dhakka to get her to retort...pleading with her to get something out...hoping she'd say something during the many times he's asked 'what's going on in your mind'...holding her hand to say if she'd accept his gestures...showing and voicing his support as a friend...advising her when she's low...TELLING her she can trust him...showing his hurt - EVERYTHING!

Yes, he has opened himself up like a book!
As far as I'm concerned at this point, he's made up for all the atrocities he's committed during the Ben kaand! After those 2 day tears in the dargah, I wasn't as moved as I'm today...at this point the kind of internal hurt he's swallowing every second that she doesn't speak up is tormenting! The fact that he's coming up with all sorts of theories (and today he hit the jackpot too) to pacify to his mind/heart is heart-warming! Even if we saw our best friend beginning to meet up with someone else and trying to coverup those meetings (for whatever reason), we'd start feeling insecure/jealous/possessive whatever after a certain point of time! This is his wife!

You are right ... These two days have been bigger proof of Jalal's feelings and love for Jodha than the dargah scene. Brilliant point!

If a man today told his friends 'My wife's meeting up with someone at nights..I know she's loyal, but I don't know why she's not confiding in me.. maybe she's scared...maybe its her brother' He'd be nothing less than the laughing stock of his group...
If a woman told her girlie pals that her husband/boyfriend was having covert meet ups with another girl at night and lying to hide it...all her friends would jump upon her to get her to dig deeper and NOT just sit back and watch!

Absolutely true! Jalal is a rare gem.
Here; this guy has been brought up amidst mistrust, deceit, power-play and backstabbing from those he called his very own. Yet, he's grown to trust a girl he's barely known for less than a year - all he asks of her is to show trust in him - that he'd do good for her and protect her! All he wants from her is confidence - friendship - trust. Can she not show this back? I have no doubt she cares for him - but, she hasn't understood him like he's understood her.
If not, she'd have shown the same trust by a bit of retrospect 'If I told him about Sujamal, he wouldn't raise his sword at once...he would hear me out...let me give him this benefit of doubt...'
Also, it's not like she doesn't know of the number of enemies Sujamal has... her own father possibly hates him as much as Jalal himself does...so, if her father was in battle against Sujamal would she still be meeting up with him at nights? Maybe... but, after a point doesn't make much sense and is not ethical either. She is a queen and she'd know that they're not the first pair of siblings that have been split up in politics - not then, not today!

Jodha is trying to keep her vachan and save her husband's life! In actuality, CVs are using her now as a wildcard to extend this track.
Jalal said he's doubted her many times in the past and failed to be proved right, so he trusts her now - which means he's learnt from his mistakes. Then, what about her? Hasn't she mistrusted him many times in the past and been proved wrong too? Be it, the tent scene where he saved her from the snake, the body heat-fake pregnancy, Sukanya alliance etc? Yes, she swallowed poison for him and took humiliation upon her head..similarly, he too put his life in danger for her and bore humiliation from her and for her sake too! So, I don't understand why only he's the one ALWAYS being proved wrong?

I am not sure either ... I hope Jalal stands tall at the end of this one and does not have to apologize. He does not deserve it one bit!
I absolutely loved the way her portrayal was shaping up in the past three months, but this track is not so good...why is she needlessly losing her peace AND torturing him - for no real return?

It is the CVs torturing us to drag the episodes.
I fail to understand what it is that the CVs are trying to make Jodha do..
It is something relatively straightforward...i.e. telling Sujamal that she can't meet him... or taking back a meaningless promise during one of her three-four meetings...or just confiding 'something' to her husband...instead, I feel she's getting sucked into a web of her own undoing further and further... and really in the past week, what has she achieved by staying quiet? I mean, in a palace of thousands of inhabitants where and how is she going to start investigating if she doesn't start telling her confidants about what's happening - WHAT CAN she achieve all alone by not taking anyone into confidence?

She is being superheroine!
This is getting too painful to watch - but, this drama is far far far better than the MC, Fake pregnancy or the Ben kaand because it shows where both of them stand in their relationship now...
All these high-drama tracks ran low on logic.. but, at least this one has a proper husband-wife vendetta! 😊
I'm not saddened by the track - I'm saddened by the anguish Jodha and most of all, Jalal is going through!

I know ... And we are feeling the pain along with them! How much we have all journeyed over these past 200 episodes!

Brilliant take Shraddha- please check your PM.



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Brilliant take Shraddha👏 This is exactly the reason why I have been unable to rake up empathy for Jodha.

Also all have been looking at Jodha from their own POVs. I would now like ppl to put their Bhabhis and bahus in Jodha's place and their brothers and sons in TE's place and then very honestly, placing their hands on their hearts tell that they would be ok with their Bhabhis and Bahus doing what Jodha is doing to her husband for the sake of her brother!!! It is very easy for us to sympathise when we use ourselves or the million unknown women as points of reference but I wonder how we would react when the point of reference changes to our brothers and sons being treated this way by their wives?!?!?!?!

As for TE, let me say that today what he said - Ek baar to sach kaha hota - Ek baar toh yakeen kiya hota - what I have been saying 'Ek baar to leap of faith liya hota Jodha' - Jodha has missed the bus on the leap of faith 3 clear times now - and the Universe is a very harsh task master - If Jodha has an easy lesson it will be not for her sake but for TE's sake - becoz her pain will hurt him more and the Universe will never do that to her favorites!!!

And as for Jodha Madam - She is in the land of Fear - and until she lets it go she will never get entry into the land of Love - I would like to share this little story of a wave from my favorite Coelho here (Jodha is the wave that is scared and TE is the ocean and the wave giving the final advice to me seems Salima) -

There was once a wave in the ocean, rolling along, enjoying the warmth of the sun and the swiftness of the breeze. It smiled at everything around it as it made its way toward the shore.

But then, it suddenly noticed that the waves in front of it, one by one, were striking against the cliff face, being savagely broken to pieces.

Oh God!' it cried. My end will be just like theirs. Soon I, too, will crash and disappear!'

Just then another wave passing by saw the first wave's panic and asked: Why are you so anxious? Look how beautiful the weather is, see the sun, feel the breeze...'

The first wave replied: Don't you see? See how violently those waves before us strike against the cliff, look at the terrible way they disappear. We'll soon become nothing just like them.'

Oh, but you don't understand,' the second wave said. You're not a wave. You're a part of the ocean.'

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Originally posted by: subha_rath2004

I agree with both of u...fab post by both of u...


Thanks so much!
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Divi🤗 congrats to u too for completion of 200th episode of our show!🥳
yes, I agree how far our JJ have come in love..how far they progressed! there is a huge difference in their behavior..who says they haven't moved a bit? may be not physically, but emotionally a lot!❤️

Today, my heart went out to Jalal..when he was drunk and saying all those to Jodha, I felt like hugging him right-away! even before leaving he said "kash aapne humpe yakeen kiya hota..hum aapko samajhte hai" look at his eyes! so much pain...he was hinting Jodha to speak..Jodha was equally in pain..but she is unable to read the reason behind his strange behavior! I want her to throw that damn vacchan into Ben ka well, and share her story to Jalal!how much it torments u when u know your love is hiding something from u, but u cant say that to her?? 😭 he is swallowing the pain every second! I cannot see him hurt!! 😭😭
Jalal again seemed worried for Jodha's safety..he was disappointed coz of her maintaining silence, not coz any paraya mard! he is thinking Jodha is not trusting him..I loved how he defended Jodha to Maham and how he thought of Sujamal! I applaud him for this!👍🏼
he is again finding himself a loner..awww...😭
Jodha cannot meet Suja, so I am thinking she is either playing with Rahim or spending alone time in Angoori Baag, upset and gloomy...hence she was not in her hojra.
Jodha for the first time perceived all is not right b/w them..good progress! but how is she not reading his pain ? Jalal is heartbroken..all he needs an assurance that she trusts him and if she is hiding then there is a reason behind..no normal husband would have been kept quite in this matter..Jalal toh alpha male hai...!! and still he is keeping quite..this is itself a huge huge thing!
Jodha at least should speak to Jalal that she has promised someone..and she will disclose everything in sahi waqt..I am sure Jalal will respect her.❤️

precap: it seems Mazhar-Azeeza case at DEK..and Jalal is taking decision on his personal grounds! Jodha, please talk to him!!


P.S. Jalal needs to vent out ASAP! isse uka dil ka bojh halka hoga..aur Jodha bhi samjhegi kyu taqleef mein hai woh..shayad Jodha usko dilasa depaaye ? hope he does it when only two r present..no outsiders!

P.P.S. can I kill Maham?😡😡
Edited by tamy267 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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One small gesture from her end..one look in the eye... just take his hand in hers with support/empathy/care.. look at him without flinching and say 'I started off doing something...I agree it is against Mughal kaide kanoon, but my intention was not wrong...I'm caught up in a bit of a trouble, but I have some theories and am seeking proof for it (Sujamal's innocence)... I want to get my head cleared a bit before I'll tell it all to you.. but, trust me when I want to say it you'll be the FIRST one I'll confide it all in...just give me a couple of days.. and you'll know what's happening...but, till then just remember this friend will wish you NO wrong and do you no wrong!'
This is all he needs! ^^^
Edited by lashy - 11 years ago
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Today this thread seems to be truly inspired. I see 4 great posts on the first page itself.

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