Jodha Akbar 169: Sunlight on a butterfly's wings - Page 29

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Sandhya, my dear, I am beginning to get quite worried about you. You are beginning to sound very fretful, and that is hardly good for you. And don't give me that guff about just joking. It is clearly beginning to get under your skin. .At this rate, you will end up with ulcers! Jodha Akbar is not worth it, my child!

Just chill, and enjoy the scenes with Rajat , and now Paridhi as well. I don't care if Jalal looks like a choodiwala or a doodhwala (I think the beard and the thicker moustache make his face look broader and chubbier), for he will still act superlatively, and we will have a succession of charming, domesticated scenes. It is time the poor boy gets away for a while from these screechy females in the harem, and has some corny fun. The precap was very cute - especially the way Jodha now looks sideways at her patidev, and the new montage is gorgeous.

I liked the earlier scene in Jodha's rooms, and Jalal's face when Jodha says that she needs to go as there has to be someone to look after him, was priceless. Pleased, amused and questioning. And when she was roping in Hamida to get Jalal to fall in line, he was again watching her very curiously with narrowed eyes, like a scientist looking at a specimen under the microscope.

Wonderful analogy- there is no better way to describe his expression. I hope the scientist understood the meaning of what he studied.

Paridhi too was excellent in her recover when he asks her why she is so eager to go. And the wide-eyed candour with which she argues that she should be taken along was charming.

What I could not understand was Moti standing there like a log of wood and not moving away after greeting the Shahenshah. In the Jalal-Jodha exchange, she is there standing dead centre between them and a little further into the room, completely spoiling the visuals! The woman gets on my nerves with her flat, slightly nasal tone of voice, and very limited acting abilities.

The only downer of the scene- why was Moti and the baandhis there?

She seems to be ignorant of court etiquette as well. When Jalal says he will take Jodha out to the garden, Moti actually says Theek hai, as if she was giving him permission to do so, instead of Jee, Shahenshah. I wonder if she would have said any such thing to Bharmal in Amer. It was ridiculous.

Similarly, when Ruqaiya tells her to inform Jodha later that she had come to visit her, Moti does not say Jee, Begum Sahiba, but merely nods her head. It is the writer's fault.

Incidentally, for those of you who might be interested, I learnt even at school that Akbar built Fatehpur Sikri to commemorate his victories in Rajasthan, where he conquered Chittore and Ranthambore in 1568. The Buland Darwaza was built so grandly to mark those victories, which consolidated Akbar's hold over Rajasthan, and also the successful campaign in Gujarat.

I have never heard or read that it had anything to do with Jodha, except for her palace there.

This is revisionist history with a vengeance! They seem to have added an extra disclaimer, though. But then, what is the daily 30 second disclamer for?

Fatehpur Sikri was not finished till the mid-1580s, and soon thereafter, the lack of water forced Akbar to move his court out of there.

I saw a complaint on another thread that the Diwan-e-Khas today did not look impressive, and that Jalal's apology did not sound as well as it should have. Probably they wanted him to go down on his knees for it! He looked and sounded very sincere and yet correct and restrained, and as for the apology, he did the same after the dature ka ark matter was solved. It was very good of him to have done it then, and it is the same now. As for the DEK, it is always of the same size and has roughly the same number of attendees.

I thought Jalal was just right and dignified in this scene- what I loved most was Jodha's expressions in accepting the apology. What a contrast to the dature ka ark apology!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Pals, You have got me totally wrong.

What Jo and Ja did to each other so far is certainly to be forgotten and their relationship together should be admired. No doubt.

But above, I am talking only about Akbar and the dilution of his character.

I am an admirer of MUZ myself. MUZ must have been one fascinating woman to have carved a niche for herself in the alien Mughal household and retained her individuality and that is the reason I admire her, but this all credit to Jodha with Akbar a puppet in her hands is too much. Jodha to Akbar was certainly not what Chanakya was to Chandragupta Maurya like what Balaji is attempting to portray here.

She might have been important to Akbar, but to give her the credit for all Akbar's political and administrative achievements in the name of romance is terrible. His own shrewdness, intelligence, administration, the capability of his men, his army, his other wives, everything is compromised to highlight Jodha And this FS credit to her is another thorn.

Originally posted by: mandyg

oh God shyamala! now where is najma hapitullah..sorry if spelled her name wrong!,,we desperately need her to fight for our akbar the great!..i hope it does not become more of a hindu muslim issue here..i think it should be more to do with doing justice to the great personality who gave equal respect to all the religions!..is ekta trying to please rajputana supporters🤪

Originally posted by: Cleo12345

Please help me understand the thought process here...Ekta can call you or me the inspiration behind the Empire state building in the the next episode ... Will it please us ? Not me...If it is not a fact, then most people will be more irritated than pleased for getting their name dragged in a deliberately generated controversy. No one likes looking stupid by getting credit for something which the whole world knows, they didn't do...this is how most human beings react... Including Rajputs.

Akbar is one of my favorite characters from history. I just read some texts written by foriegn travellers who visited the empire during his regime. They describe him just as we think he was... A great emporer ( just trying to do some more research on whether he was really dyslexic , which is a neurological learning disability ...or was his inability to read and write was more circumstantial...will post when i have more evidence to support my theory) Anyways, It is bad enough that the show creaters are blatantly tainting his image. And now, we as viewers give it a Rajput vs Mughal or a Hindu vs Muslim angle. We are doing exactly what they wanted us to do. Controversies ensure that the trps won't fall. They are ensuring that people who are not crazy about the upcoming romantic track, stay hooked for one reason or another.

Also if Ballaji or Zee think that they can use this as a defense next time they are accused of defaming Rajputs/ rajvanshis, they really need to hire a human behavior specialist and get some classes. How can they undo the damage of Shivani/ Bharmal blunder by making another blunder? Just like we cant undo a murder by commiting another one. Showing a girl elope with her lover on the day of her wedding is a sensitive issue for any community. I'm sure most people have heard of honor killings. Dont get me wrong, i'm not defending a crime here...just quoting an example to show how sensitive this can be...even in 21st century. A lot of us get riled up when our much loved character is shown in poor light ...and we are not even related to this character. Isnt it unfair to expect the current bloodlines of some of these characters to stay immune to excessive masala- fication/cooked up situations that show their ancestors in poor light...sorry, read it as naatkiya roopanter or creative liberty.

To me, this is more about CVs vs history than one character vs another or one community vs another. I remember your awesome response to my post History, psychology and politics post. I don't like too much distortion of history either and I gave my reasons for that in that post. Real Akbar's story has enough masala for them to make 500 episodes. So why do they cook up situations which have no supporting evidence. The answer is ...to generate controversy...a sure shot way to keep viewers trapped.

Just read another post. Someone called Zee and they are sticking to their story. Not sure what to make of it.

Originally posted by: happygolucky099

@bold

friend do u really consider the answer of an operator of zee trustable ?.😕

i do not trust zee people for spoiler think also .

wat can be expected from a zee operator when u ask him they are showing right or wrong??

i m sure even during fake pregnancy ,if i would have called zee ,they would have said "humne poora reasearch kiya hai madam"😆

Originally posted by: Pals2411

Hey dear, first of all I feel Jalal is not Jodha's puppet. He is a smart and teeda Emperor who knows how to get things done and from whom.

No Pals. Of late he is portrayed as smart and teda only when it comes to issues relating to jo. He is soon becoming Jodha's Atga Khan and the way the serial is progressing seem to indicate only puppetry.

It is just that the CVs sometimes make him dumb in the name of emotional and mental stress thereby giving Jo the chance to help him. I don't see where Jo is getting all the credit for his political/administrative decisions, because I have also seen MA, Atga, and Ruqaiya giving salah. Which I think is right. It is always an Emperor's decision but he would definitely take inputs from people who matter to get a proper assessment of the situation.

As for the Tasneem track, Jo was more interested in Adham not marrying Tasneem. But the marriage law was passed by Jalal, using his own mind and not anyone's influence. Jo cannot take that credit from him. But yes, thereafter he acted dumb when he was shown sharpening his tools when his marriage with Ruqaiyya was falling apart. Here Jo suggested him a plan. Again, accepting the plan is his decision. So finally she is seen as the saviour for Ruq-Jalal relationship and not for the law being passed. Nothing wrong.

How? How did Jodha's advice of Ruqaiya talking to awaam make sense. Ultimately Jalal declared the law henceforth and punished AK. Both he could have done without declaring to divorce Ruqaiya, Ruqs talking to the awaam and the awaam rooting for AK's punishment. All this touch the nose round your head was done only to highlight Jo.

In the Vishkanya track, I feel Jalal was too much in distress to understand what Jo was saying. So he blundered big time. Here Jodha definitely deserved a pat on her back. But along with Jodha you see even Ruq get rewarded. By the way, I read in history_geek's page that a Vishkanya was sent from Kabul to kill Jalal and this was known at the nick of time. He also mentioned that this incident involved a Hindu begum (MUZ) and that it moved him a lot. I am mentioning this, because you never know what had happened then and what all is being shown. With the CVs only picking up incidents where MUZ and Akbar are involved, we will definitely get to see them in action.

I don't question VK's authenticity or Jo's hardwork there. That Jalal refused to believe Jo was due to his stress, but even before that, where on earth was Jalal's intelligent network and capable palace people doing when they allowed Ben entering the palace with a trunk full of snakes? Why wasn't the daak munshi's death investigated? What happened to the jasoos who followed Ben on shivratri night and the 19 baandhies too? Isn't that dumbing down Akbar's administration to highlight the heroine.

Of course, we are talking of the serial thus far!

And as for the 'Akbar being moved' it could be interpreted anyhow just as his advocating monogamy later on could be given different interpretations.

Yes, I agree that Jodha to Akbar was certainly not what Chanakya was to Chandragupta Maurya like what Balaji is attempting to portray here. But that is for the CVs to answer dear and not me. Or else I will lose my peace of mind😛

I won't force you to answer. Don't worry.😆

I admire MUZ. But I HUGELY respect and adore Akbar

As for the serial, I totally wish to discredit ANYTHING shown. I prefer to keep it to other sources for history.

And it is time to forget it too. It is Rajat and Pari and their physics, chemistry and poetry that is going to be a hooker this week. Hopefully...

Originally posted by: aashyagh

I am not doing any Jodha mai ki Jai, agree that Akbar achieved his sucess, love on his own, and it was he who decided to make a new city (even though he dedicated it to Jodha, it was his thoughts) and as shown or maybe in real as well, he was cruel, heartless, even though he was broad minded, if Jodha made him realise the importance of love, we shouldn't mind and say that it was Jodha the great, he realised that he had a heart and that made him understand his people better and he went ahead and achieved it with love and power. (He was powerful already, so adding love to it made him reach heights), so if it was she who was behind it, well be it, its not going to make Akbar weak.

PS - I am just trying to take it positively, so show can be more enjoyable and I don't see Akbar being shown in poor light now (excluding for silly fiasco of Tasneem track or Ben track) and we never know how much reality or fiction is there to it.

PPS- no brickbats towards me please😉

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A