..::Doubts & Discussions about Historical facts::.. - Page 49

Originally posted by: -RS-

See dont get angry that I a saying +ve abt Rukaiya.Leaving the characters of the show apart this is what is their in the history.Just bcoz makers are showing people in the show wicked we tend to hate them.But makers can make storylines can't change history.

I am speaking what I read and googled on net .my request is jsut don't let urself fall for fictional story of makers.JA is a gud show.See it as a show.Appreciate actors,love the admire them.But at the same time try to know wht is in history.

Its not internet based article.Just try to google the translated copy of akbarnama.U will understnd better.I a great fan of JA movie and show.That interest made e to read and search for the real and original content

Originally posted by: history_geek

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Thanks a laot for giving such a huge information, but one thing I want u to make correct that hamida begum can't support salim ti give him throne because she dies 2 years before. It was rukaiya begam only, there was a intention of doing so because if salim become emperor than only khurram can become future emperor.


By seeing all this I have a strong intitution that to fall khusrao in eyes of akbar she trapped khusrao. As then after khusrao was in prison life time. He was killed by khurram only. Khusrao mother didn't get that title as she has done sucide after that.

Originally posted by: -RS-

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="2" color="#990000">According to Hira bai history,she never owned any palace.Hira bai is considered to be jodha.Rukaiya had two palaces -one at Fatehpur Skri and other at Agra.Rukaiya power was unbeatable in the time of Akbar and Jehangir.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="2" color="#990000">The name jodha bai is a misnomer.How can you tell that she had palaces??</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="2" color="#990000">Her name as in Mughal chronicles was Mariam-uz-Zamani. Tuzk-e-Jahangiri, the autobiography of Jahangir, doesn't mention Jodha Bai nor Harka Bai or Heer Kunwari.Therein, she is referred to as Mariam-uz-Zamani.Neither theAkbarnama(a biography of Akbar commissioned by Akbar himself), nor any historical text from the period refer to her as Jodha Bai.According to Professor Shirin Moosvi, a historian of Aligarh Muslim University, the name "Jodha Bai" was first used to refer to Akbar's wife in the 18th and 19th centuries in historical writings.According to the historian Imtiaz Ahmad, the director of the Khuda Baksh Oriental Public Library in Patna, it was Lieutenant-Colonel James Tod who first mentioned Jodhabai in his bookAnnals and Antiquities of Rajasthan.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="2" color="#990000">"In the Akbarnama, there is a mention of Akbar marrying a Rajput princess of Amer but her name is not Jodhaa," says historian and director of the Khuda Baksh Oriental Public Library, Imtiaz Ahmad in Patna. She is referred to as Mariam Zamani (Mary of the Age). This is a title and not a name. It further says that Mariam Zamani is a title referred to the lady who gave birth to Prince Salim, who became Emperor Jehangir. But the name Jodha is not mentioned anywhere.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="2" color="#990000">Professor N R Farooqi, a historian of Allahabad Central University, states that Jodha Bai was not the name of Akbar's queen instead it was the name of Jahangir's wifeTaj Bibi Bilqis Makanithe Princess of Jodhpur, whose real name was Jagat Gosain.</font>

U must need to visit fatehpur sikri and try to find out truth.

@Sweet24...

You're welcome... You are correct...

BUT

My Link only said that -> HB played a role in mediation during the revolt..
It did not relate to Salim becoming the Emperor...Read it once again. :)

If you want you can see this Link
Can not discuss the details here.. :)

Originally posted by: history_geek

@Sweet24...

You're welcome... You are correct...

BUT

My Link only said that -> HB played a role in mediation during the revolt..
It did not relate to Salim becoming the Emperor...Read it once again. :)

If you want you can see this Link
Can not discuss the details here.. :)

Thanks a lot once again, u really had done very much hard work 👍🏼

MUZ Audha has more powers than any other khaas begums... If MUZ is not influential then y is it considered as the most powerful one?? Definitely MUZ has for many more farmans of issuing farmans and other powers which r exclusive to that MUZ Audha... Not even khas begums lik rukayya and Salima wud hv got those powers... The way rukayya shown in serial craving for MUZ Audha itself shows how important MUZ Audha and how influential person wil become... So it's jodha bai or heer kunwari MUZ is highly influential,, most lovable and favourite wife of akbar among all the three begums...

when has ekta followed history ?

in this NR anything can happen😕

Originally posted by: myviewprem

dear no historical book ever mentions that Akbar stopped speaking to Ruk for 7 years or ever stopped speaking. Indeed majority historical books say she was his favourite and hence he readily handed khurram to her for bringing up as she desired to bring up a future emperor. These all must be some publicity stuff by some foreign authors. Usually to sell their books author mention some things that may make readers curious. Anyways no Mughal emperor shall write about his personal life in his autobiography and the Mughal emperors harem was in high privacy and such matters even if they occurred could never go out of the harems easily. So if such things are written in any book its imaginary stuff not historical truth.

Ruk handled harem for a long time and even issued farmans. Some of these were preserved in Mughal library but stolen by invading british soldiers after first war of independence. Farmans by Akbar, muz, salima and ruqu, jahanara, nadira, mumtaz, jehangir, hamida etc were taken away and sold to museums around world. Most prized possessions were the akbarnama, jehangirnama, shahnama orginals that were sold to british and American museums by the british soldiers who took them away from the Mughal libraries.

A emperors mother(hamida) and first wife who is empress(in case of Akbar three chief wives) or chief wife(nur jahan, mumtaz) and an elder daughter(jaharana) or elder sister(kanzadha, jaharana, roshanara) usually was given power to issue farmans apart from emperor

Oops history should not be written in other threads so I will not provide further details but ruqaiah could issue farmans in Akbar's name

But one can always wonder why it took so many years fr Akbar to give any child to Ruqs? Why did h not give any of his own children not even a girl child to her?May be he wasn't sure of her capability, or no body was willing to give their child!😕Mughal history is really a mystory 😛