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Posted: 11 years ago
About Ruqayya Begum.!.

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Posted: 11 years ago

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I have not heard about Ruks handling harem plus having rights to issue farmans. Akbar stopped talking to her for 7 yrs or so and it was patched aftet Salims birth. I have read about SB and JO having rights to issue farmans.

Can someone please tell me which book or chronicle or account mentions this 7 year break in Akbar Ruqaiya relationship? While we have had scans and printed pages of so many history aspects why not for this too?
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Posted: 11 years ago
No dear.Rukaoya begum was the most influential person in the history.Mughal Empror Akbar had deep respect and love for Rukaiya Begum. At the time of conflict between Akbar and Jahangir, Rukaiya stepped in to settle the dispute. She further helped Jahangir to ascend to the throne.

Rukaiya was a well educated and patron of art and culture.Jahangir had high regard for Rukaiya Begum. Even after the death of Akbar, Rukaiya Begum was given very regard in the Mughal Court and the imperial harem. Her authority was un-matchable.

Not all wives of Akbar had personal palaces.But Akbar brought her two palaces at Fetehpur and Agra.Even hira bai (jodha bai)never had any own palace.Ekta may be showing rukaiya grey for show sake but it is not correct.


U guys can read jehangirnama and akbarnama to know the truth.Plz go through following links.u will understand rukaiya importance.

http://www.importantindia.com/8263/rukaiya-begum/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruqaiya_Sultan_Begum.
http://indiaopines.com/ruqaiya-sultan-begum-jodha-akbar/

If u want i can also provide u with akbarnama and jehangir nama.Copies of these books are available on net and libraries.



Guys show is fictional.many things are modified.don't plz consider the same happened in history.And @Sweet I request you to do some research before u write about any historyJust because u don't like character in the show it doesnot mean the person is like that in history.JA is modified.They are not following exact history.
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Posted: 11 years ago
No No. Rukku never had authority to issue farman. only MUZ had this power. Rukku is limited to Agrah harem. actually Akbar built so many mahals for Jodha. the harem in fathepur sikrhi as he anounced before. he built one in sikrhi named rang mahal to stay when she was pregnent. there is other mahal he built for her very hurridly when she pregnent with salim just before delivery. she stayed most of time in sikhri when she was pregnent with salim near salim sishti saheb.
Anyway twins were died afer 10 to 15 days, she will not become MUZ right. Actually Jodha(MUZ) is very powerful and successful in trading and she used to own ships too.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: durgarvv

No No. Rukku never had authority to issue farman. only MUZ had this power. Rukku is limited to Agrah harem. actually Akbar built so many mahals for Jodha. the harem in fathepur sikrhi as he anounced before. he built one in sikrhi named rang mahal to stay when she was pregnent. there is other mahal he built for her very hurridly when she pregnent with salim just before delivery. she stayed most of time in sikhri when she was pregnent with salim near salim sishti saheb.

Anyway twins were died afer 10 to 15 days, she will not become MUZ right. Actually Jodha(MUZ) is very powerful and successful in trading and she used to own ships too.


According to Hira bai history,she never owned any palace.Hira bai is considered to be jodha.Rukaiya had two palaces -one at Fatehpur Skri and other at Agra.Rukaiya power was unbeatable in the time of Akbar and Jehangir.

The name jodha bai is a misnomer.How can you tell that she had palaces??

Her name as in Mughal chronicles was Mariam-uz-Zamani. Tuzk-e-Jahangiri, the autobiography of Jahangir, doesn't mention Jodha Bai nor Harka Bai or Heer Kunwari. Therein, she is referred to as Mariam-uz-Zamani.Neither the Akbarnama (a biography of Akbar commissioned by Akbar himself), nor any historical text from the period refer to her as Jodha Bai.According to Professor Shirin Moosvi, a historian of Aligarh Muslim University, the name "Jodha Bai" was first used to refer to Akbar's wife in the 18th and 19th centuries in historical writings.According to the historian Imtiaz Ahmad, the director of the Khuda Baksh Oriental Public Library in Patna, it was Lieutenant-Colonel James Tod who first mentioned Jodhabai in his book Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan.

"In the Akbarnama, there is a mention of Akbar marrying a Rajput princess of Amer but her name is not Jodhaa," says historian and director of the Khuda Baksh Oriental Public Library, Imtiaz Ahmad in Patna. She is referred to as Mariam Zamani (Mary of the Age). This is a title and not a name. It further says that Mariam Zamani is a title referred to the lady who gave birth to Prince Salim, who became Emperor Jehangir. But the name Jodha is not mentioned anywhere.

Professor N R Farooqi, a historian of Allahabad Central University, states that Jodha Bai was not the name of Akbar's queen instead it was the name of Jahangir's wife Taj Bibi Bilqis Makani the Princess of Jodhpur, whose real name was Jagat Gosain.

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: -RS-

No dear.Rukaoya begum was the most influential person in the history.Mughal Empror Akbar had deep respect and love for Rukaiya Begum. At the time of conflict between Akbar and Jahangir, Rukaiya stepped in to settle the dispute. She further helped Jahangir to ascend to the throne.

Rukaiya was a well educated and patron of art and culture.Jahangir had high regard for Rukaiya Begum. Even after the death of Akbar, Rukaiya Begum was given very regard in the Mughal Court and the imperial harem. Her authority was un-matchable.

Not all wives of Akbar had personal palaces.But Akbar brought her two palaces at Fetehpur and Agra.Even hira bai (jodha bai)never had any own palace.Ekta may be showing rukaiya grey for show sake but it is not correct.


U guys can read jehangirnama and akbarnama to know the truth.Plz go through following links.u will understand rukaiya importance.

http://www.importantindia.com/8263/rukaiya-begum/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruqaiya_Sultan_Begum.
http://indiaopines.com/ruqaiya-sultan-begum-jodha-akbar/

If u want i can also provide u with akbarnama and jehangir nama.Copies of these books are available on net and libraries.



Guys show is fictional.many things are modified.don't plz consider the same happened in history.And @Sweet I request you to do some research before u write about any historyJust because u don't like character in the show it doesnot mean the person is like that in history.JA is modified.They are not following exact history.



internet based articles can't be accepted ...whatever u said wasn't correct ... hira(MUZ/jodha) had her own palaces ... how do u say that she had not her own palace? 😲 ... dnt wanna talk about real rukaiya... but MUZ had her own palaces too. rukaiya also had her own palace.😆
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: dushi123



internet based articles can't be accepted ...whatever u said wasn't correct ... hira(MUZ/jodha) had her own palaces ... how do u say that she had not her own palace? 😲 ... dnt wanna talk about real rukaiya... but MUZ had her own palaces too. rukaiya also had her own palace.😆

See dont get angry that I a saying +ve abt Rukaiya.Leaving the characters of the show apart this is what is their in the history.Just bcoz makers are showing people in the show wicked we tend to hate them.But makers can make storylines can't change history.

I am speaking what I read and googled on net .my request is jsut don't let urself fall for fictional story of makers.JA is a gud show.See it as a show.Appreciate actors,love the admire them.But at the same time try to know wht is in history.

Its not internet based article.Just try to google the translated copy of akbarnama.U will understnd better.I a great fan of JA movie and show.That interest made e to read and search for the real and original content
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: -RS-


According to Hira bai history,she never owned any palace.Hira bai is considered to be jodha.Rukaiya had two palaces -one at Fatehpur Skri and other at Agra.Rukaiya power was unbeatable in the time of Akbar and Jehangir.

The name jodha bai is a misnomer.How can you tell that she had palaces??

Her name as in Mughal chronicles was Mariam-uz-Zamani. Tuzk-e-Jahangiri, the autobiography of Jahangir, doesn't mention Jodha Bai nor Harka Bai or Heer Kunwari. Therein, she is referred to as Mariam-uz-Zamani.Neither the Akbarnama (a biography of Akbar commissioned by Akbar himself), nor any historical text from the period refer to her as Jodha Bai.According to Professor Shirin Moosvi, a historian of Aligarh Muslim University, the name "Jodha Bai" was first used to refer to Akbar's wife in the 18th and 19th centuries in historical writings.According to the historian Imtiaz Ahmad, the director of the Khuda Baksh Oriental Public Library in Patna, it was Lieutenant-Colonel James Tod who first mentioned Jodhabai in his book Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan.

"In the Akbarnama, there is a mention of Akbar marrying a Rajput princess of Amer but her name is not Jodhaa," says historian and director of the Khuda Baksh Oriental Public Library, Imtiaz Ahmad in Patna. She is referred to as Mariam Zamani (Mary of the Age). This is a title and not a name. It further says that Mariam Zamani is a title referred to the lady who gave birth to Prince Salim, who became Emperor Jehangir. But the name Jodha is not mentioned anywhere.

Professor N R Farooqi, a historian of Allahabad Central University, states that Jodha Bai was not the name of Akbar's queen instead it was the name of Jahangir's wife Taj Bibi Bilqis Makani the Princess of Jodhpur, whose real name was Jagat Gosain.


yes we already know that her real name wasn't jodha... series it self says her other names... but u can't deny that point MUZ was a daughter or amer king... so whatever name was given is series isn't much important. but we know MUZ na... so MUZ is none other that HK (or jodha we all know in series ) 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: -RS-


Its not internet based article.Just try to google the translated copy of akbarnama.U will understnd better.I a great fan of JA movie and show.That interest made e to read and search for the real and original content


i have aslo read those articles... but not 100% genuine ...😊

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