JA Jan 23rd - Jodha it is payback time! - Page 7

Originally posted by: sashashyam

An excellent, very fair and balanced assessment of things as they stand now, my dear Meghana.

I am particularly glad that you have very clearly brought out the era factor, and the way in which Jodha's erstwhile behaviour was totally unrealistic for the era in which she lived. No husband even today would put up with one tenth of the things she has done, and the real life Jodha would have been sent back ot Amer pronto if she had attempted even one hundredth of what this Jodha has got away with.

You are spot on when you refer to 'payback time'. In fact, today, Jodha's chickens all came home to roost. Jalal had by now reached the end of his tether. All that had been building up within him since Shivani's elopement had to come out some time, and it all came out in public today.

But even so, if Jodha had not made that interjection about his being her pati, and that she would not allow his life to be endangered, it would never have happened. Till a week ago, she was labelling him the SKLL (stree ke liye lalasa) specialist, and now that she has decided to save his life (which he does not know is in danger), she suddenly parades her pativrata dharma and expects the man she accused of SKLL to believe her. Why should he, when The Shove and The Letter have still not been explained. and when the one possible test of the truth of her accusations, the milk test, which is quite plausible, falls flat?

The other thing is that almost everyone here seems to be assuming that what Ruqaiya and Jalal said HAD to refer only to the absence of marital relations betwen Jalal and Jodha. That has in any case been public knowledge since the Bakshi Banu affair, and is thus no great shakes.

In fact, Jodha can be blamed for wifely derelictions over a wide range, from repeated, overt and public rudeness to taking her husband completely for granted while barging ahead with the Shivani-Mirza marriage. It is not just Jodha who is strangely obsessed with the physical side of marriage. The whole forum, bar me, seems to be the same!😉

The forum has no need to fret too much about Jodha's humiliation. It will be short enough; next week Jalal, after dissolving into a puddle of remorse and gratitude, will be building a mandir for Jodha Devi, and Hamida will be carting the bricks for it, I expect.

Where, oh where, is the intelligent, vibrant love story I had (foolishly, I agree) hoped for?

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Mages

awesome analysis...

it looks like you brought out the positive points from a negative episode...respect...but i have a different POV

how much insults do we need to witness in DEK for jodha...its enough...she is a princess...she is a queen...its not right to insult jodha in DEK...it applies to jallu...ruku...MA... i am tired of this insults and humiliation on jodha...

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Meghna

Loved your take and agree with it in toto.

We can't view things as a 21st century feminist.

Jalalluddin Muhammad was a king of kings who has been very compromising and yielding so far .

All the girls who proclaim vehemently that physical relationship is not everything in marriage, do point out to one marriage that has flourished without it and try keeping your husbands at an arms lenghth for months on citing 'man se poori tarah se pati nahin maana hai' as the reason. All this can happen only in serials.

After all earlier insults the recent shove and esp the shivaani fiasco jalal's frustration is expected. He has reached the limit. I still wish he had not been public, but as you say discussing sleeping arrangements with a daasi was also public and so were the taunts in the first meena bazaar. Like the president or not the presidency should be respected.

And for all those who scream equality the 21 gun shots and guard of honour are only for the president not the first lady. His position certainly commands more standing. We are a minority here meghna. So it was doubly nice reading you.

Originally posted by: neelkamal

good post meghna

i hope constant jalal's outburst that jodha never considred him as husband may make her think in that direction of becoming true wife in the sense .even i feel her character was potrayed as 21 st century .even in21 st century any women at some point think about the status of their marriage and their feelings reagarding their husband .which cvs are taken granted dues to high trps making her a stone with no feelings where she stands .in the begining she was not that stubborn in the sword fight .after amer trip still had made her one dimensional .she should atleast think of good qualities in him .or where she stands in her marriage or why she is denying physical aspect of the realationship .what stops her .they should show a gradual journey to love .no way they can potray any women of any century that she does not want to give conjugal rights to her husband it is most important aspect of the marriage

i cannot believe they have trps potraying her character and getting high trps where typical trp audience like regressive bahus like diya and bati or saath nibana saathiya

i hope they change that after this track .what is the use of jalal recognising his feelings .and jodha is not even on the first step of ladder . what will he do with all those feelings.

i hope she starts thinking where she stands in their marriage atleast she why she is not taking those steps towards jalal .

i was amused by ruqq coments the jodha did not become a wife to jalal .she is always insecured

if jodha becomes a wife of jalal in true sense . jodha can become the muz,and jalal loves her .

she was saying in the previous episode to jodha she did not like the fact jodha occupied jalal' s mind .she will throw her out of the harem .

what is it ruqq wants that jodha should be a wife or not let jalal come near her.

as ruqq at this point does not know jalal loves jodha .

but seriously i feel sad for 16 th century women .

but this is indian television where forthe sake of drama logic is sacrificed .

Originally posted by: ngayou

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About MA , what to say, maybe u r right, but Jalal did capture Abul Mali with the help of his spies sent by Atga Khan na & also he did say he s keeping all those baandhis under surveillance , matlab he does have his coterie of spies, that s the thought I gathered after hearing that. Maybe am wrong, dunno.

Atga's spies jalal's spies and ma's all must be the same royal spies over whom ma as wazir-e-aaliya had authority

And Jalal marrying Ben to repay for Jo s mistakes, did kaneezes/ nautch gals get respectably married in those days? I d really like to know if my this question is wrong. And if am right, why does Jalal have to agree to the marriage

Not respectability but safety. The argument put forth was that the rumour put bens life in danger. Even if ben was a concubine in the harem she might be stoned when she steps out of the palace. Jalal certainly didn't jump into the offer nor was pleased about it.

Originally posted by: meghanajain

Thanks Sandhya. Yep, 100% with you on physical relationship is a very important part of marriage. It makes both man and woman more secure about each other. When that is denied, ego is hurt and doubts about the other person start to occur.
Yep, we are a minority indeed. I have always written good things about Jodha in the past when it has happened. Infact today my view point is not bashing her, but explaining why she is in a tough spot. If Jalal had not supported her, she would have been converted to Muslim, thrown out of Agra during pregnancy track and also nothing would have come out of Tasneem case.
Anyways, the forum is filled with pro Jodha and bechari Jodha posts. I thought why not write about why Jodha has become bechari..

Originally posted by: meghanajain

Anu,
Agree that public humiliation was uncalled for. He did not start it though, it was done by Ruqu and he supported. Yes, physical relationship is not everything. But in those days and even today it is one of the most important part of a marriage. Forget the physical part, Jodha used her temper and words to humiliate Jalal many times. She never did a single thing for him as a wife would till after the pregnancy track. Tiger attack would not count as it was her own mistake she was trying to correct.

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Unfortunately she is the reason she had become bechaari and of course ma and her evil plots.

Jalal was her suraksha chakra post suicide fiasco and without him she stands nowhere. Hope she realises this.

And true the dek statements wouldn't have been triggered if she hadn't started off with pati patni duties.

And yes jalal has become hopeless and disappointed wrt her and is now bitter that their relationship has been one sided only post suicide attempt.

Even I loved her till the tiger track. And now these recent episodes I see a marked improvement in her

I only hope that she interospets and doesn't slip back.

Originally posted by: elasingh

I guess that a wife should be insulted and humiliated publicly for denying conjugal rights to her husband...

Of course she pushed him that night ( he fell because he was drunk) and for that she should be humiliated publicly and Abul Mali's mistress should be respected...Of cource it is husband's right that he should taunt her for her sister's running away and conveniently forget what his own sister did to her and she never taunted...

All in all a woman falls in love when she is insulted and humiliated...becoz it is a pay back time for her...