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Posted: 11 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: lashy

...! [Playing with Jalal and Jodha's characterizations weren't enough, so they jumped on to Bharmal now? ...


MY TAKE
They need not have had the Ameris involved in this scandal at all - it's reflected quite poorly on the entire clan (unless history has some other tit bits to offer that we know not about)
Are the makers not worried about the protests now? I thought Shivani eloping was bad enough...


Nice write up.

Even I felt if Ekta is trying to settle her personal score with protesters of show (Karni Sena?) using 'Shivani fiasco dram' .
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Posted: 11 years ago
#92

Originally posted by: Donjas



I think people in the forum are once again jumping the gun. We should have learned by now. I will not at all be surprised if in the coming one or two episodes a totally logical and heart rending explanation of why the Ameris did what they did is shown.
Let's list the number of times we have made aspersions on the characters and story on the basis of one episode- the fort episode in Amer when everyone was blaming Jalal, the elopement situation when everyone was expecting the worst for Jodha.

The Creatives like to surprise and they will never paint the good guys as bad over more than one episode.

😳 They have portrayed jalal and Jodha doing things/carrying out stuff that has caused irrevocable damage to their character...things that any amount of repairing cannot really patch up...Jalal making Benazir sit in the DEK.? Becoming dumbstruck with no plan during the Tasneem track that looked like he was nearly ready to divorce his first wife?
Jodha removing the bullets from his hunting gun? Asking jalal to go die outside Amer, but not inside Amer just so her sisters wedding doesn't get affected?

These aspects can never be undone...
And it's only 6 months into the show...they have many more such opportunities where they can play with fire...they might redeem the Ameris this time...but, I doubt they can keep doing so if they make characters scapegoats for the sake of the storyline!
Akbar's history had enough masala as it is, there's no need for this form of character butchering!
Just my point dear 😳
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Cleo12345


Infact, it looks like Ekta is very confidently playing with fire...however, for some reason, i feel she knows how to play her cards well...today, i got a glimpse into how she views all this and what a
Bottom line...
JA has become a guilty pleasure to a lot of us... We disagree and complain but can't stop watching it... And trust me, Ekta understands that very well. Hats off to her.
My last hope... The courts... They have pleasantly surprised us with some recent decisions on social matters... This issue certainly falls under preservation of history and culture...feel free to show this crap in your Saas Bahu serials. Leave history alone!!!!

I agree with your stance...
For me this is not about the Ameris alone or the Karni Sena...

If anything, I'm generally worried about the manner in which they're portraying akbar's story!
As far as I am concerned, the makers showing that Jalal was ready to give up his relationship with Ruqaiiya Begum for the sake of a law that didn't even need him to do so... is as much a sacrilege...I'm generally displeased with distortion of all characters...
I can understand a bit of masala being added but not total change in basic characterization...do keep us informed of any developments if possible 😳
ThNks
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: history_geek

Di,

Ur post is nicely written. The epi was fine as well. BOTH LEADS PLAYED FINE.

But i feel EK is entering the tiger's den. She has already played a lot by making shivani elope.

As you also, rightly pointed out. Now, she has EVEN raised questions on the loyalties of Ameri clan.
Don't know why, but this may create new trouble. 😕 putting Bharmal in jail...?? Was that required.? 😕

True Abhay! 😊 I agree in total!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Clumsy_Wings

In the beginning i thought the protesters were just doing this to grab some attention, but i have to agree with them on some level. I was up all for MUZ and Akbar love story. I think there is nothing wrong with the title. I just up all for the hate love story, but right now the direction show has been take with this current track, and some of the characterization being distorted to the point where they are made looked like fool. I don't agree with this approach. Shivani eloping , and Bharmal showing cheating Jalal was not needed.

But looks like nothing can really be done
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Posted: 11 years ago
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i strongly feel BM falsely accepted the blame for shivani elopement ...this thing will get cleared in coming episodes thus jodha's as well as rajputa shan would be restored back.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: 111192

i strongly feel BM falsely accepted the blame for shivani elopement ...this thing will get cleared in coming episodes thus jodha's as well as rajputa shan would be restored back.

Hmmm...
Then then flashbacks mad little directorial sense 😕
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Lashy my dear,

Though you forgot to PM me, I located this on my own, and naturally was very pleased with it, beginning with the title. My comments are in blue.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: lashy

JALAL VS BHARMAL

Yesterday quite a few were slapping their foreheads when Jalal pointed his fingers at Bharmal- wondering if this was another brain-freeze moment of his. However, the biggest shock came when it turns out that Raja Bharmal was indeed aware of the entire escapade and had ended up hiding everything from the Sultanat and from Jalal!😕

I can't believe that a man I'd otherwise considered noble would cheat his own son-in-law in this fashion - the very son-in-law who'd fulfilled more than his fair share of responsibilies in helping his second daughter's wedding go through! [Playing with Jalal and Jodha's characterizations weren't enough, so they jumped on to Bharmal now? And when we say Bharmal, we shouldn't forget Bhagwant Das either - he is just as much to blame in all of it!]

Here, loveanime's point, that Bharmal has repeatedly used his eldest daughter to get himself out of the trouble he had landed in because his incompetence - at war the first time and as a parent now, is pertinent.

"I have to say something about Bharmal, what he did was quite realistic. It happens even now and I am sure it happened a lot more then where marrying within your status, caste and religion was everything. He was true to his character I see him quite capable of doing this, after all this is the same man who thought it would be just to not even allow Jodha to see Jalal's face before marriage. It wasn't that he bartered her that is natural and within the ethics of politics and war of the time, but it was that he lied to his daughter about the real deal so what does that say about him."
'You found a solution for your difficulties through my humiliation?' Jalal questions his father-in-law rightfully so - his maner still composed 'You've adviced me well on many issues in the past...so, please tell me what punishment should I mete you?'
It was a cringe-worthy scene indeed to see the father-in-law kneel in front of the Shehenshah thus. On the other hand, Jalal kneeling down to give the man's relationship respect was laud-worthy!

Even though the majority of the blame lies with Shivani, I cannot absolve Bharmal of his sins either -
As a mansabdaar it was his duty to inform the Shehenshah of any such developments in the matter
As a father-in-law, it was his obligation to let Jalal know of the prime reason of why he was going ahead with this. Wouldn't Hakim's life had been affected, if Shivani had gone ahead with some silly plans AFTER the wedding?

If Shivani has been responsible for the humiliation of her clan, Bharmal is no less - had he been upfront from the beginning it would have saved him and his family a lot of heartache. He's ended up jeopardizing one daughter's life/family to save another's and it doesn't make much sense to me. So now, Jodha has to suffer for the Ameris fault?

And it is not just deceit, it is the kind of stupidity that passeth all understanding. How could he risk Shivani's fling being found out in Agra, whether or not she ran away with kaarigar? With such an immature girl, how could he be sure she would keep the secret? If she blurted it out, what then about her life with Mirza Hakim and the scandal too?

JALAL VS HAKIM
I am glad Jalal gave Hakim the example of Shareefuddin and Bakshi Bano. It makes no sense to ask the culprits to be forgiven just because the crimes were one of 'love'! If that's the case then all the young men who carry crimes of 'passion' against the women they are obsessed with can request to be excused based on the fact that they are 'in love' too. True, in this day and age running from the wedding mandap might not be as big an issue, but this is a royal wedding in the 16th century, we're talking about.

Hakim is very large-hearted in forgiving Bharmal and Shivani, however he cannot rule an Empire with the principles he was meting today. (I still can't believe this man is going to turn against Jalal in future🤔) Agree 111%. This is pure populist folly. I cannot believe Hakim ruled Kabul using these principles!

However, Jalal is right in his stance of not excusing the culprits. I was glad when he didn't forgive BB - rightfully, he shouldn't forgive Bharmal or Shivani/Tejwant too. Hakim was within his 'legal' rights to have Bharmal pardoned - but, I hope Jalal gives Shivani/Tej at least some form of punishment - because if not, he's only going to look partial/unjust when he does so!

By making Hakim proclaim an 'Aakhir mohabbat hai' statement the CVs have downplayed the crime committed. Then, the lady in the court the other day who had a lover was also justified because she was only in love with a man other than her husband! Why was she alone stoned? (I definitely DON'T WANT Shivani/Tej to undergo such a thing 😆, but they need to be incarcerated)

If not, all the culprits will begin coming out with such sob-stories and request to be forgiven in court. So, would the judge just pardon them? Also, if Jalal forgives his own family, he is only setting a wrong example for the rest of the Sultanat - obviously, Jalal is not going to go about forgiving all his subjects now, is he?😕 Very, very relevant and even more uncomfortable questions, which no one will answer, for the only answers possible will not suit the CVs.

HB
HB forgiving Bharmal made no sense whatsoever!😕 They could have shown her at least momentarily saddened or offended! Instead, she's asking them to stay back and celebrate Shivraatri! This scene was so unbelievable, I didn't even know what to say. 😕 She is at least consistent in her folly and her partiality. She is never there for Jalal (or now for Mirza Hakim, but that does not matter as he is not there for himself) but she is there for everyone else. She had not a word to say about the humiliation of the Mughal sultanate either, that was left to Jodha.

JODHA
The only people I feel sorry for it at the end of it all are Jalal, Mirza Hakim and Jodha. Having said that, I wish Jodha had not requested Jalal to forgive Bharmal. Yes, she is emotional and anyone would be pained as a daughter to see what the father was going through. However, I would have liked her to remain silent in the matter. I too had noted this, and had noted in my post on this episode as follows:

She does remark, curiously enough, that his fault is not so great (as to merit being imprisoned). This does not jell with what she feels and says later, and the only possible explanation is that in the meantime, she has learnt that Bharmal had known all along about Tejwant, and was thus using Mirza, and Jalal, for his own selfish ends.

Watching Jodha in the last scene - in that room - crying to herself was adorable indeed. Her anger against her family and the 'impressed'/'touched' expressions she had on her face when she learnt that the Shehenshah had forgiven her father was Pari at her best!
Her final lambasting against her family was aggrieving, but a necessary one! I liked all that she said - because, it was all true! Aggrieving? Not at all. Everything she said needed to be said, and said as bluntly and harshly as she did.

PRECAP
Again interesting - lets see how it pans out!

MY TAKE
They need not have had the Ameris involved in this scandal at all - it's reflected quite poorly on the entire clan (unless history has some other tit bits to offer that we know not about)
Are the makers not worried about the protests now? I thought Shivani eloping was bad enough...
Look, I do not see why any Rajputs should protest, for most fathers would have done exactly what Bharmal did, except that they would have taken care not to run afoul of the powerful son-in-law. Is there not the old saying Aayiram poi sholli oru kalyanam pannu? ( You can tell a thousand lies to get a wedding through)

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: PrincessNancy

Super Duper Post di !!! 🤗

I am already happy with epi..More coz It involved genuine Akdha!😳 You are right about various parts of epi..but I am just so happy ..I cant come out of Jodha not being held guilty..thank god !!Kal se I am celebrating for it 😛😆
Yup..HB was soft but koi nahi yar..chalta hai na..khair analysis aap log jaano.😛😛.. And I was too happy with epi..!! AkDha scene today blew me over !😃😳 And your all points r valid 😃

Thanks nancy 🤗
true...as long as Jodha and Jalal are pure, trusting and supportive - I am happy for the episode
thanks dear...
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Lashy my dear,

Though you forgot to PM me, I located this on my own, and naturally was very pleased with it, beginning with the title. My comments are in blue.

Shyamala Aunty

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Aunty, Bharmal when he did that to Jodha.. at least did it to save thousands of lives..
here no one's life was in danger - apart from possibly Tej's..in stead, by this action of his he could have ended up risking lives of others (had HK turned out to be a more hot-blooded monarch)
also parents do this..but, rarely when they already have a daughter wedded in the household...
because, when the truth comes out - not only will it ruin life of 1 daughter, it might ruin both lives...
and ruin relationship between 2 sisters too..😊

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