Jodha- Practice what you preach - Page 3

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Guess you love Jalal and do not like Jodha!

I love both that's why i started watching serial but highly disappointed in their characterisation. I think Maham is show hero and all others side hero's.
I think everybody is feeling little disappointed these days both Jodha and Jalal fans😊 I agree Maham is shown winning all the time, hope her end track comes soon.

Jodha does not think Mugals are inferior or superior - she hated them for fighting a war against her own coutry, which she loves. Surely she is ALLOWED to do that! Which person of any religion would respect who invade your country? They kill her fiance, hold her brothers hostage, ravage the temple sanctity and remove ornaments from the deity! Surely Jodha SHOULD BE ALLOWED to not like this! Any sane person would hate

Yes she can hate the invaders and Jalal the emperor. All mughals are not bad. Some saved her from getting intoi the lusting hands of Sharifuddin too like chatagi khan. But i find her lectures on Rajvanshi's too much. She must know as a mature adult the faults of her family and fight agianst them like sati, discrimination against girl child,killing girl child in womb, widows etc

It is common practise to think of entire enemy as one, one does not differentiate this one is bad or good. When Jodha gets to know them she starts liking them precisely my point. It is also quite common and natural to be proud of one's background everybody is and talks like that. Rukayya always talks about Mugal pride auda challenge to it etc. do you find that offensive? That is the way EVERYBODY TALKS about their own background.

I am sorry - Faults of her family!!!!!!!!!!!! They are kind, loyal to their word, brave people who happen to lose a war. They lose more due to treachery of Sujamal and less due to Sharifuddin. Again I am not saying they would have won otherwise, just that in that instance Sujamal betrays them giving out all secrets to make them lose badly.

Jodha is just 20 something, we are talking about a historical figure woman of 16th century. She is not a social reformer surely at that age you do not expect her to take social work to fight against sati, widows, girl child etc. APART from sati all these are common to all religions. So one should not get into that here.

After marriage when Jodha comes to Agra and gets to know HB, Saleema etc. and learns about their customs she herself suggests marriage of Shivani and Mirza Hakim
BTW Jodha only thinks of this AFTER Mirza Hakim tells her that he lives Shivani a lot

I actually think this is stupid - cos of the humiliations and hatred she has faced but I guess Jodha does not think so!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jodha of course did NOT WANT to marry Jalal, she was FORCED BY CIRCUMSTANCES to do so. Her father fixed the marriage without her knowledge to free his sons and save his Amer. She is basically emotionally blackmailed into it. If Jodha had refused to marry Jalal on wedding day then surely Mugals would have invaded Amer and all that. So she hardly did it out of choice!

That is her father's fault not Jalal's. I or any other decent human would have preferred death than give away his daughter to save his son to another man who was known as cruel and of another religion against my daughters wish. I guess Bharamal has no such ideals. Or may be ideals were different in 21st century and 15th

What you have written would be ideal - however unfortunately in real life people cannot always do that. Jodha would not have minded giving her life, she lives and marries the person she detests to save her brothers (one of whose wife is pregnant and cries that her child will not get to see its father), AND all the innocent people of Amer who would have suffered. She thinks unselfishly not about her own life but for others and for her beloved country. I think it took WAY MORE GUTS AND BRAVERY TO DO WHAT SHE DID. That is WHY JODHA IS FASCINATING AFTER 450 YEARS STILL!

After marriage Jalal tells Jodha he married her to take revenge on her, he does not want her so HE GIVES HER WORD that he will not touch her

No. He said i am your husband can do anything to you. But when she was acting as if he was trying to maan bhang her he felt repulsed and said i do not want to increase your honour by sleeping with you. He said that just to please his hurt ego. No husband can take it when wife reject him so he act as if he reject her that's it just too pacify his ego he said that. He never said i will never touch you without your permission ever. So if he change mind he can come to her. Whether 21st or 16th century its same.
Please refer to episode when coming back from Amer after Sukanya wedding, Jalal says I cannot touch Jodha (when she is chilled etc) that I have given her my word. So Jalal CONSIDERS HE HAS GIVEN HER HIS WORD.

Agree with you Shivani marriage track is silly but maybe the CVs here feel they now need to turn Jodha into an idiot. Maybe the Jodha going to Amer track is to follow
Jodha should not have fixed marriage without clarifying points regarding religious freedom, marriage ceremony etc.

Jodha WAS NOT IN LOVE with Suryabhan, she goes to him before marriage with request to marry Shivani cos she liked him, he refuses. Jodha has huge respect for Suryabhan for being the kind of man she wanted to marry, proud of his religion and country, ready to fight Mugals for it, brave and kind. She thinks she is going to marry him so naturally she goes along with behavior normal for that

Jodha said she loved Suraybhan to Salima once(Bakshi episode)
I think Jodha means she liked Suryabhan but NEVER FELT ABOUT HIM THE WAY BAKSHI BANU FEELS ABOUT SHARIFUDDIN. That is why Jodha is wondering about Bakshi Banu's feelings. She did not love Suryabhan, she respected him.

Wow Jalal true character - these days they are even making Jalal look weak and puppet in hands of MahamA, not even aware of what is happening in his Agra, like someody commented on a post while back
Jalal wants to rule the country but he does not even rule his own Haram! MahamA does

I WANT TO POINT OUT I THINK ALL ACTORS ESP RAJAT, PARIDHI, ASHWINI, LAVINA, CHETAN H, EVERYBODY REALLY IS DOING A FABULOUS JOB. We have started thinking of them as real people existing somewhere living these lives, that is why we spend so much time discussing them. I think everybody will agree to this point BOTH JODHA AND JALAL FANS😊

well I think the main villain is jodha's see saw characterization,of which jalal is also a victim lately..When jo said she has no ghrina left in her for jalal, then it was pretty much obvious that some other emotion has taken the place or rather I should say as hatred is also an emotion,it can't go totally void,in fact the emotions never go void,they tranform in another form,so jo's ghrina must also tranferred into another form that was possible at that time,was respect, but the change is not constant, whenever something doesn't go pro her,she losses her calm very easily.. and when she has no anger for sujamal who betrayed them actually,she shouldn't blame jalal for happened after the war..

Originally posted by: MaddyO

I WANT TO POINT OUT I THINK ALL ACTORS ESP RAJAT, PARIDHI, ASHWINI, LAVINA, CHETAN H, EVERYBODY REALLY IS DOING A FABULOUS JOB. We have started thinking of them as real people existing somewhere living these lives, that is why we spend so much time discussing them. I think everybody will agree to this point BOTH JODHA AND JALAL FANS😊

U r fully evrytym aganst jodha.
U r agains pari..jodha..the chrctr ..
Watever! In short u r alwz against
JODHA

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Yes cos we think too much about them😊 Maybe little too much, after all they come into our house 20 mins a day or just 100 mins a week and we spend HOURS thinking and writing about them
There are different views because we each like something different in them😊😊😊

You are right CVs create beautiful characters, we fall in love with the characters and then do this hatchet job😡

Why Jalal and Jodha are so fascinating is they are SO DIFFERENT.
No matter same age they have lived totally different lives Jalal thrown into deep end from young age, Jodha protected totally. Jalal has a full haram at 20😉😕 and she is protected innocent 20.

They should have nothing in common but on some level like Jalal says after Jodha's suiside attempt they have so much in common.
They are so different, should not have even met each other normally but they will fall in LOVE.

That will be so fascinating to watch. I LOVE the fact that they started with extreme hate and ghrina - now they will not fall into lukewarm love but intense deep passionate love. Both Jodha and Jalal are not capable of tepid frivolous emotions, they are too passionate for that.

When CVs have so much real history WHY do hatchet job. Even cruel Jalal and fiery proud ghrina filled Jodha is better than dumb puppet idiots Jalal and Jodha they are turning them into

Hope we can soon say we LOVE this Jodha and Jalal😊😆

Originally posted by: Tohru

for me jalal character have lots of discrepancy then jodha truly speaking not only our leads bur maham , rukku, characters are been treating same way thanks to our mahan CVs 👎🏼

1. jodha attitude about Mughals are inferior & Rajvanshis are superior is a gone case now ...she thaught that before marrige & even after marrige had that believe but now after spending time in agra among mughals she knows the truth jodha respect HB as mother saleema begum as sister & called her self Shensha ki Begum in some occassions & when hakeem shows liking toward her sister she put the talk infront of elders without hasitating hakeem is mughal .

2. 2nd matter jodha jalal marrige is also discussed many times i will say risking your life & self respect to save your loved ones & living among enemies is not a clever plan its a sacrifice
so it was not a clever plan by jodha she was compelled for this marrige to save her country,brothers & soldiers even self killing option was available for her but this will also cause the destruction for her family & counutry so couldn't do this either
regarding husband wife rights till jalal treated her as wining trophy she showed grina but when jalal start giving her valuse as begum khass she start softing towards jalal too
regarding the lust & entire hareem knowing about jodha jalala relationship thanks to cvs for some bad executed tracks... jodha pregnanacy track & jodha pushing jalal & he landing on floor i have no objection with these tracks but atleast they can show them in acceptable manner they should maintain the dignity & grace of the characters

3. i think its the CVs changing jodha rules books 😆 reagrding jodha taking decisions about shivani marrige truly speaking i am too not impressed by the CV s uturn but she didn't fixed the marrige she only put the marrige talk forward.. first she talked with HB then jalal then wrote to her parents but jodha indirectly aksed shivani about hakeem shivani praised him & jodha told her about her marrige getting fix with hakeem which shivani listen silently without showing any objection 😕 but here i support jalal for showing consern about shivani will & he asked her too openly but Alas poor shivani couldn't said the truth thanks to maham
the track is still going on so can't comment much waiting for the upcoming episodes & jodha actions

in the end i want to say i am dissapointed by the Cvs & CVs should rewatch Jodha Akbar from start they need a memory booster so they should realize they made the characters graph from high to low 😭

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Originally posted by: KDR81

Hi All,
I am quite discreet in the forum nowadays but , the words Religion, Caste etc ...caught my attention.!! These are very strong words u see..!!😊
Folks, Remember...Since we have not yet seen why Jodha will oppose the Tej-Shivani match...so NO point in saying she is doing so with respect to Caste,Religion etc. ( I think these are way too harsh words for her as if she had been so...she would have been cared for Moti, HB gang Hakim etc...)😳
I am sure Jodha will oppose(if at all) the match not for Caste, status issue but for the way which they are adopting...that is Eloping... which indeed is a disgrace to everyone given the situation...Irrespective of Religion , caste or Status...!!😕

I agree that this act was rather Stupid of Jodha as she should have checked with Shivani herself first...but she cannot be termed as partial for that...!! She merely was trying to make things easier for Her father Bharmal who already had a hugely tough time marrying Sukanya off...(We all know what happened ..right?) 😳
And another point to be noted is that Jodha can have a valid point to go against her sister's choice as Shivani committed the grave mistake/sin of lying in court as well as in private chamber when she could have shared her thought with Jodha ..saving everyone from the disgrace. Shivani did none of the sort and took the easy way of eloping and lying as MA showed her. This indeed is potent enough to turn Jodha against her own kid sister...!!
Hence it's better to wait and watch rather than launch into fights and criticisms right now even before anything happened ...😃

Regards,
Kamal

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Originally posted by: ann2012

Completely agree with kdr81 👏

Why would Jodha be opposed to a match between MH-Shivani? She has no reason for it. MH likes Shivani and thinks the world of her. Shivani has nothing but nice things to say about MH. They have mutual respect for each other, if not love. In case of an arranged marriage, this is enough. This is the logic Jodha has applied for this rishta. Even her impending marriage to Suryabhan in Amer was based on admiration and respect the couple had for each other. Suryabhan was smitten by her and proposed the idea of marriage to her father. Since Jodha had none else in her life and found Suryabhan to be a nice man, she agreed to get married. Shivani should atleast tell Jodha about her true feelings. But instead she is going with flow and planning to elope at the last minute. 🤢

As far as her many conditions to Jalal before the marriage are concerned, they were a last ditch attempt by Jodha to save herself from a man she so hated. She came up with them at the ninth hour, hoping Jalal's would be outraged by her demands and cancel the marriage. But he didn't. If she didn't consider him as her sworn enemy, she wouldn't have put forward these conditions. They were thought of to break the marriage. Shivani can also put forward these claims but she doesn't need to, as she isn't planning to get married. And if she did marry MH, i am sure he wouldn't have forced his religion on her. Why does everyone think MH will make Shivani convert? Can't he also borrow a leaf from his brother's book and build a temple in Kabul fort, as well? MH seems wise and tolerant enough. And Jodha seems to think so too.

Lets wait and watch how this proceeds. It still is very early too predict the conclusion of this track.

Originally posted by: AngadPariAddict

U r fully evrytym aganst jodha.
U r agains pari..jodha..the chrctr ..
Watever! In short u r alwz against
JODHA

That is what you feel may be reading my post. Pls wait for my post on Jalal and then tell me if i am against him too 😊

hello g , i just dont understand a single thing u wanna say so plz Kindly allow me to put my thought on ur mention thing .😳

jodha doesnt think mughal are tuch n papi 😆 if she does she never let shivani marriage to be happen In mughal khandan 😛 or ha if u r talking about her innitial thoughts for mughal then in innitial epis of Ja remember how bharmal define jalal in front of mainavati . something like "uski mitti shaitan ne sichi h n blah n blah... " even u can see what MP think about mugal .. so my point is whatevr she thought about jalal was not her own thoughts that basically were a tpical Rajvanshi' soch which has changed after her marriage. Remember she said jalal 'mahaan' n mugals as "mugal viro ke hatho..."

another thing pls clear me one thing y almost whole forum is asking for a special treatment for shivani ? 😕 remember jodha n surya ki shadi kaise fix hui thi ? surya ne jodha ko dekha use achchi lagi usne rista bheja or bharmal ne manzur kar liya , did he asked jodha anything to her whether she want to marry him or not ? mainavati n bharmal told her only after her marriage got fixed with surya , (the same thing is happening with shivani then whats wrong in it ? ) infact shivani is lucky as compared to jodha n sukanya kyuki jodha or shukanya ne to face tak nh dekhe tha apne mangetaro ke jab unka rishta fix hua tha. 😆 It was their custom n shadiya unke yaha aise hi fix hoti ayi h , i dont thing jodha shld be blame in this 😳.

i hate shivani more than benzir now 😡 she is such a selfish girl !