Thank God Jodha insisted upfront that she didn't write all that! - Page 4

Originally posted by: PadBear

Mansi thanks for a sane post that doesn't go overboard. I am with you about this being full of positives. Also the two different versions of the contents of the letter was aired openly and yes, that's a big relief. And yes, MA has over reached like all villains are wont to do, so her wings are going to be clipped.

Did you mention that Jodha reached out for Jalal's hand TWICE. Twice she had no inhibitions at all in being a support to him. Once, I can say she was just being the large hearted person she is, the strong personality, the comforter. But twice... I think that said more than even Jodha really knows.

The first 8 minutes did confuse me a few times because I think Jodha was being two people - she was being a faithful and loyal friend and she was being a wife without knowing what a wife is.

Originally posted by: skanda12

Oooh, I like the way you have put that conflicted feeling of Jodha's! Yes the scene between seems to say a lot more than it showed, na? We can guess what they are beginning to feel, although both of them are unable to give the real words to it!

Originally posted by: skanda12

I appreciate that he may have had some reading or writing disorder that didn't reflect in his ability to store a lot in his memory. Maybe in those days they didn't quite have a term for that called dyslexia. But nevertheless, my point is that here was a King who knew that he couldn't read or write. More reason why his shrewdness and self-preservation instincts should have been to try and get somebody stable and reliable to "always" do his letter reading and writing for him. It is the same way a King knowing he has some weakness in his army decided to plug that with some alternative strategy.

In this story, as I suspect happened in history too, Jalal is seen depending on Ruq in childhood to do his reading and writing for him and later a host of others. In fact he is calling whoever is in the vicinity. Should a shrewd King not be extremely conscious as to the source of his information especially when he knows he himself can't read or write? And if there's a question as to the contents of a letter, should he not double-check that point since he did not get to read it all first-hand?

If at the end of this track Jalal tries to take some corrective action against his weakness (I'll allow its a weakness and not illiteracy!) and determine never again to fall for fake letter-readings, it would add in great measure to his growth as ther Shahenshah of a huge Sultanate! My short point is that he shouldn't just see this track as one of clarity on what Jodha wrote. He should use this track as an opportunity to plug the larger loophole of "information reliability" in the face of his reading/writing disorder and resultant lack of literacy skills in certain areas. Perhaps a policy decision that hew will herafter only trust one or two people to read anything to him would help?

I know of hearing and visual disorder persons who learn from their very childhood not to trust more than just one or two people as their mobility guides, and if he's that shrewd all around I would have expected him to work this one out soon after he became the Shahenshah, or at lleast soon after Bairam's death.

Originally posted by: deejagi

Mansi, I just can't understand yourpoint on Trusted & reliable person. Do you mean to say he should not trust his mother and wife or the chief minister in his court? Mansi we as viewers know that maham is the culprit who read nonsense but to cry out loud, she was his Badi Ammi, whom he trust more than himself. Why will he even think of getting it re-read by someone else to get it reassured what was ritten in that, when he doesn't have any reason to doubt her? Do you think he will come to know that Jodha had not written all those words in that letter? NO, and I don't even hope that he will think of laying hand that ltter ever again in his life.

Moreover, it is practice for kings to get the letter read by the courtiers (either by a minister or the schollar of their court) even if they were educated (may not be a letter from his wife). If a king doesn't believe his own minister and family, then what is the point in having them around? Just for fun & as show pieces? If i don't trust my husband and my mom, then whom will I trust?

Originally posted by: deejagi

Mansi, I just can't understand yourpoint on Trusted & reliable person. Do you mean to say he should not trust his mother and wife or the chief minister in his court? Mansi we as viewers know that maham is the culprit who read nonsense but to cry out loud, she was his Badi Ammi, whom he trust more than himself. Why will he even think of getting it re-read by someone else to get it reassured what was ritten in that, when he doesn't have any reason to doubt her? Do you think he will come to know that Jodha had not written all those words in that letter? NO, and I don't even hope that he will think of laying hand that ltter ever again in his life.

Moreover, it is practice for kings to get the letter read by the courtiers (either by a minister or the schollar of their court) even if they were educated (may not be a letter from his wife). If a king doesn't believe his own minister and family, then what is the point in having them around? Just for fun & as show pieces? If i don't trust my husband and my mom, then whom will I trust?

Originally posted by: abhi786

Mansi good post.. AKDHA scene was so good. Especially Jalaal telling how their relationship changed..Jodha holding shaking hand of Jalaal only to give emotional effort, as she feel now that much their relationship developed. She wanted to smooth him and again told to share everything in his heart openly...

Jalaal love confession hat he bows down his head to her, while jodha unable to get close even told him, she did want this. When Jalaal fall down the anger & rejection spur in his eyes, even jodha words she can't give him heart & soul words hit him much more deeper. He felt much more rejected with the fall & her rejection.

Jodha words allways hit him a lot 😃... But it turned into anger, and told he would not leave her..

I think Jodha yet is not ready, she is ready to give him emotional comfort, but not physically, as she still feels she doesn't love him. When she realises she loves Jalaal, she will give herself..

Hope Jalaal wouldn't turn her love into a game to teach her, what he can do..Hope Jalaal will go to Ruku. Jodha-Ruku become a team and throw that Benazir and also show MA her place..

MA deserves the slap now from these two begums.

Originally posted by: skanda12

Jaya, if you recall in one dialogue Jalal himself says that family members are more treacherous than others! The fact is that in those days of Kings and Queens, the people close to the King were themselves the most ambitious for power and most often tempted to manipulate the King for their own ends. I definitely think that any shrewd King should have been even more careful of his "near and dear ones" with respect to their ambitions and their attitudes towards him.

Okay, let's for a moment allow that he is not as cold as that and he trusts his own wife, Badi Ammi etc etc. Even so if he is shrewd and knows himself to have low literacy issues, should he not have some policy in place then to make sure every letter is read by at least two people just in case there is some mischief from one or the other?

The question at a King's level shouldn't be one of blind trust, however much blind trust of one's own dear family looks like a big and generous emotion.

It has to be about carefulness and trust of "reliability" of the source of information. It is not people he has to distrust, he has to be able to trust the reliability of the information without having to blame anyone. So it stands to reason that he needs to have some clear policies about how to get his letters read to him,, by whom, and what checks and balances he puts in place to ensure that the information content can be relied upon.

That's the minimum shrewdness I would expect from a shrewd King. I suppose he is a boy-king yet - so hopefully he will become more and more aware of his shortcomings and plug these opportunities for potential mischief. He has to make himself unassailable, whereas he is now vulnerable.

Today its a love letter and Maham - both of these, let's assume he can forgive. What if tomorrow its some letter of critical political importance? Or even a call to war which someone close and seemingly trustworthy misreads to him? What then?

The difference between emotional attachment and shrewdness and anticipation of setbacks is the hallmark of a great King!