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Posted: 11 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: Mages

excellent analysis di👍🏼...you have given some real good points to be noted...which cleared some of my doubts...😃

Akdha scenes was beautiful in sense that in drunken state...jallu confess most of his feelings to jodha...especially the part that his hands shivers when he married her...when her hands was on top of his hands for kanyadaan during their marriage...thats a true honest confession of love...which means his heart was already started beating when he saw jodha first time in Amer...the hatred which goes after that was abt ego game which he wants to win becos of his insult done by her...both his brain and heart were ruling at the same time for him...and he lost his heart in the battle brain and heart...

the small Akdha love advance on the forehead was beautiful...and the words he told jodha...it was so touching..."i did not bow my head to anyone in my entire life...but tdy i bow my head to you...i am yours only and you are mine"...wow it was so beautiful...it was so meaningful...he might have alot of womens in his life... but his head only bows to one women...and its none other than jodha...she has all the control on him...he was abt to kiss her too...☺️...she could feel his vibe...she could feel his touch and passion...but she is not ready for IT as she doesn't understand her own feelings...what she feels for him...

it was a sweet gesture from jodha...knowing he is super drunk...she was not rude to him but tackle him sweetly and let him confess his confusion of feelings and understood his vulnerable state at that moment...unlike during their wedding he came drunk and both were on fire...😆☺️

the rejection was painful...when jodha tells him that she does not love him...its a MU...she will never give her heart and body to him...tears was dropping down from jallu's eyes...even though he was angry...we all were prepared for the rejection and thank god it happened...now we will not crack our heads how jodha will reject...😆...now the actual steam and fire will start in our Akdha epic romance

white naagin lady thinks that she have won the battle...crazy women doesn't know that she has strike a chord of romance in Akdha's heart and made them understand their own feelings for each other...she doesn't even know the power of love...no matter how much she plots and plans to separate the soulmates...she will never succeed...her party all night is only for a few moments...

it looks like everyone loves to cool down their anger or plot a revenge only in the bathtub...🤣

i hope jallu gets to know the truth abt the letter fiasco but i doubt...i hope jodha gets a clue abt it...

jallu has revenge on his mind...but when it comes to jodha...his actions are different...so lets see what he does...

benazir have made an entry...its going to spice things up...jallu will not fall for her...nor i don't think he will lust for her...but yes he will use her to make jodha jealous...which was a predicted track by us...looks like benazir track is going to lead to love confession and consummation...

the fact we got to know now...jallu is madly..deeply...passionately in love with jodha...

We've al got this point, mages, except he himself and her! That's why I think Benazir will help booth articulate the feelings they already feel. She will be racked with jealousy which she will have to question. Jodha did not feel this way about Ruq so she has to ask why? And he will have to question why the lust evaporates with Benazir and is only there with Jodha exclusively? So what is this possessiveness and this supposed-lust?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: lashy

Mansi...just wanted to correct you on one thing...jalal was not illiterate...he was literate enough to Understand many great works of literatures and scriptures...


He was dyslexic and so he couldn't read or write...😊
He had great interest in arts, poetry and literature...knew great writers, artists of his time...a patron of different kinds of arts...so, he was literate in a sense...only, he had a handicap that didn't allow him to explore his literacy...and with little knowledge of this problem I n 16th century none could help him overcome this disability

I guess his dyslexia was compensated by the fact that he could recite long poems and compositions by heart...by just listening to it once...

So, I guess it'd be technically correct to call him handicapped rather than illiterate..😳

I appreciate that he may have had some reading or writing disorder that didn't reflect in his ability to store a lot in his memory. Maybe in those days they didn't quite have a term for that called dyslexia. But nevertheless, my point is that here was a King who knew that he couldn't read or write. More reason why his shrewdness and self-preservation instincts should have been to try and get somebody stable and reliable to "always" do his letter reading and writing for him. It is the same way a King knowing he has some weakness in his army decided to plug that with some alternative strategy.
In this story, as I suspect happened in history too, Jalal is seen depending on Ruq in childhood to do his reading and writing for him and later a host of others. In fact he is calling whoever is in the vicinity. Should a shrewd King not be extremely conscious as to the source of his information especially when he knows he himself can't read or write? And if there's a question as to the contents of a letter, should he not double-check that point since he did not get to read it all first-hand?
If at the end of this track Jalal tries to take some corrective action against his weakness (I'll allow its a weakness and not illiteracy!) and determine never again to fall for fake letter-readings, it would add in great measure to his growth as ther Shahenshah of a huge Sultanate! My short point is that he shouldn't just see this track as one of clarity on what Jodha wrote. He should use this track as an opportunity to plug the larger loophole of "information reliability" in the face of his reading/writing disorder and resultant lack of literacy skills in certain areas. Perhaps a policy decision that hew will herafter only trust one or two people to read anything to him would help?
I know of hearing and visual disorder persons who learn from their very childhood not to trust more than just one or two people as their mobility guides, and if he's that shrewd all around I would have expected him to work this one out soon after he became the Shahenshah, or at lleast soon after Bairam's death.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: vijrati

Good post Mansi. I still think that it is Maham's plan and mastermind that caused the MU between JJ. If not this plan, Maham would have come up with another plan to create rift between JJ.

Absolutely right, Maham would have tried to think of some plan! But this plan was a bit stupid because it seems to have too many variables! What if Benazir has not fortuitously appeared on the scene, then what would Maham have alternately done?
I think I go with Jyoti's idea that most of Maham's plans are about 5-% decided upfront and then she tends to do a "chance pe dance" of impromptu and adhoc additions to the plan as events allow her. This is the part where she gooes overboard and shoots herself in the foot.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sonia_1

Another superb write-up Mansi👏



"Love, to be real, must cost - it must hurt - it must empty us of self."

Both Jodha and Jalal are suffering due to Maham's well planned scheme. For someone who is revered like a mother, MA has hurt Jalal in the worst way possible. His lack of reading skills and blind faith in her has brought this to pass...Jodha hopefully will try to get to the letter as she has realized that the content is the cause of misunderstanding between them.

Feel bad for Jalal and Jodha ...they are at their most vulnerable and in pain.


That's a lovely quote! And so apt for this situation!ClapClapClapClap
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: LizBennett

Thump! Thud! Smack! Crash! Wham! Thunk!

Sorry 'bout all those sound effects...but that was moi, happily crashing into assorted bric bracs as I did a happy jig around the coffee table..in abso joy, at the absence of NON-SANE...hmmm! Sigh! Happy, happy...

What did Ya'all think that was all about,,??...C'mon...😲🤔😉

Lost In Translation...and more than slightly Inebriated Bull...did get the bucketful of cold water thrown on head abrupt sober awakening treatment today...😕

And Yer Highness Dudeness, if I may say so...that is a pretty darn good thing...what with wonky gait, finger tremors,sudden cardiac manifestation ( his diagnosis...not mine) palpitations, jangling emotions,high blood pressure..(somewhere)...low blood sugar..( on account of brain power depletion..as blood supply was directed elsewhere)...performance anxiety would be a distinctive possibility...that or a stroke...and and I don't mean touchy freely stroke...Yer royal Gutter Mindedness...Geroff that horse... Pronto...it ain't happenin all that soon...

This is a desi serial...and we are ALL about delayed gratification...'coz SOME nitwit peabrain...at some point in our historical past came up with a doozy of a whopper ..."Sabr ka phal meetha hota hai"...and we have been in a state of delayed Whoopie making ever since...

Go figure...and shoot that dude while you're at it...

Big Momma Cruella Iago Deville ...( I just can't gush enuff 'bout Dame Kalsekar)...,has adroitly gauged the rejection quotient in Imperio, who is now transformed into Snorting Raging Bull...complete with multiple bathtub soaks..(AGAIN???)...flower petal garnishes...sorry adornments to Imperial forehead...vowing hellfire and brimstone to Damsel...one assumes that either or is gonna be the new entrant Oomph...

Humph!!! How totally tacky, and 70's...introducing the vamp and the item number to DRAW...the protagonists closer...I tell ya..if she starts singin. ..Mungda.. Mungda. ...main gud ki Kali...I'm going home...( wait a min...I AM home... :-S)

So much for That threat...

I refuse to figure plot lines anymore...I love my grey cells in their original grey colour ..and not in pristine white...thank you verra much...so, in conforming with the Scriptorial Diarrhoea that we are subjected to...I go with the flow...(blech!)

Imperio knows he is in love...poor dude...he acknowledges that...and riffs on the Kuch Kuch Hota Hai...again...very apropos...dialogue of the sar jhukaaoing bit...you gotta feel for the guy here..he didn't just fall..he pretty much crash landed into love...and feels rejected...by FireBrand...rightfully...coz he doesn't know that Iago Marionette Master is stringing both of them to her tunes...and that Damsel is innocent...
the fun begins ...when all this is over...coz what HAS been said...cannot be unsaid...and those superpower emotions are now bang in the open...and there is nowhere to hide...

Moaned thru Wuthering Heights,as I perused it painfully...but I did remember this bit...somewhat...
So, with humble gratitude to Google Baba, I put this forth...as his sorta sentiments presently...

"May she wake in torment!" he cried, with frightful vehemence, stamping his foot, and groaning in a sudden paroxysm of ungovernable passion. "Why, she's a liar to the end! Where is she? Not there"not in heaven"not perished"where? Oh! you said you cared nothing for my sufferings! And I pray one prayer"I repeat it till my tongue stiffens"Catherine Earnshaw, may you not rest as long as I am living; you said I killed you"haunt me, then! The murdered do haunt their murderers, I believe. I know that ghosts have wandered on earth. Be with me always"take any form"drive me mad! only do not leave me in this abyss, where I cannot find you! Oh, God! it is unutterable! I cannot live without my life! I cannot live without my soul!"
Emily Bront, Wuthering Heights

Indeed Liz, Imperio has fallen in love with a hard thump! As you say, the emotions are now out there in the open with nowhere to hide. All that remains is for him to call it "love" instead of trying so hard to give it other names. And I fully expect the Damsel also to feel that same hard thump on the bottom pretty soon. In this serial the way to the heart seems via falling on one's backside!😆😆😆😆😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
#26

Originally posted by: riyya6

👍🏼 Loved ur post n the epi as well

😭 I'm so sad for both jalal n jodha. I really liked their scenes yday even more than the dream sequences. It was too good. Jodha looking pretty n jalal looks like a child ...😳...

I did not expect jodha to react n touch him as well , so it was a suprise for me 😆...

Good times ahead, Riyya, both well on the way to acknowledging their love! Stay tuned!😆😆😆😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: KSheila

Great analysis skanda12...like always. Actually for once the CVs have remained consistent with Jodha's character, if she had returned Jalal's passion then viewer's would have said she gave in, in the heat of the moment, What happened to her promise to give herself only to her soul mate? Repeatedly CVs have shown Jodha trying to understand what 'Prem' is, so far she has seen people behaving abnormally in prem...Bakshi bano, Ruqu, Adham? So Jodha was compassionate towards Jalal tonight but stood her ground regarding her values, still pre-mature for her to completely take up a wife's role in the worldly way. This is where CVs are also consistent in showing her as the proud Rajvanshi princess, she is not one of the harem begums who will do anything for one night with Jalal...she is honest to herself that is why she openly declares that she is not in love with Jalal. When HB told her to drop all her differences with Jalal, Jodha said I will try my best. So Jodha respects Jalal right now but she is not in love with him yet...not yet is the key word, so as and when she truly falls in love with him then she will honestly carryout the husband wife relationship. Her being a proud Rajput princess is portrayed very well in the story.

Lovely, I love the way you have justified why she is doing the right thing to wait for the right moment and give herself only in love and not to shortchange herself and her values just to please Jalal. Otherwise what's the difference between her and any other harem inmate?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Akanksha_33

Everyone is lashing out at Jodha... i feel for both of them... but no one is accusing the real culprit behind this... it's not fair...

This siren is a tool that jalal is going to use to make his Baghin jealous...and she is really jealous...
i just hope he doesn't get physical with her... i just hope she's a tool for jealousy... not more than that...
jalal is so furious... im scared... 😭

I fully expected the Jodha Bashers Club to be licking their lips today to try and blame Jodha for everything! That's why I thought my post should have balance and sanity! How easy and silly it would be to just turn and lash out at Jodha? Trying to find the one scapegoat for a series of misunderstandings is juvenile! Without some semblance of balance in judgement, what's the point of watching a story, we may as well be reading the biography of just one of the favoured protagonists!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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very good analysis , Mansi. very good episode , i will say , a new thread opening for the future , same time ending at the note of evil getting more evil, and two lovebirds drawned in grief, Jalal turning in hatred mode. hope it won't last.

The best part i found was, that this time it was Ruku he turned to for sharing his grief and not MA. even in my last post i said , it will be Ruku who will bridge the gap btw AkDha. even now i m hoping my expectation to come true. by now Ruku has come to know Jo is a real pure soul, and won't hurt anybody intentionally, least of all Jalal. so if Jalal really tells Ruku everything, Ruku will talk to Jodha abt it. So things i m expecting to happen r:

Jalal to tell Ruku that Jodha wrote a letter to him and MA read that letter to him. so while Ruku will talk to Jodha, she can sense that MA is behind the plot. then if she gets to see the real letter , she can tell Jalal that Jodha is not lying, but i don't think Ruku can read the letter, i m sure Ma must have destroyed it by now. But Ruku will make sure to clear Jo's confusion , by clearly telling her the whole thing and so Jo will learn that Jalal is unable to read and so she too will be able to understand the whole confusion and MA's plotting.

but same time ruku knows that making Jalal understand the real truth is not possible without any proof to them. So finally both Jo and ruku will make some plan , this time to save AkDha marriage.

one more thing, If Jo is jealous of Benazir, then it might be Ruku who will help Jo understand her feelings for Jalal. But i m really expecting Ruku to play major part to clear this confusion btw AkDha.

Anyway, should we go and kill MA for her plotting? she is getting to my nerves now.

now to the best part AkDha scene. the thing we were dreading , that Shehenshah E Hind is all set for a very worst rejection in his life till date. and it happened. only the scene was so beautiful by all means, that it made greater impact even on us . written beautifully, well directed and played superbly by both Rajat and Pari.

Jalal was so vurnerable , i felt he is ready to break any time and so is trying to hold on to Jo and when that rejection hit him , his anger reaching to peak that is ready to destroy everything . and while he was to the extremes of every emotion , Jo's controlled calmness and strength was soothing. every emotion they played, every sentence gave the feeling to be there with them to share their every experience, their expectations, their happiness, their sadness, their confusion , Jo's helplessness and Jalal's anger. so touchy..

and then when he is on his own, not able to control his anger for her rejection, finally turns to Ruku to show, where his personal trust rests. and as i said earlier , i m really expecting Ruku to be the one to form an unbreakable trust btw AkDha.

Let's see how Benezir acts in this track. but one thing for sure, I want Jalal's confusion and anger goes away by Ruku-Jo efforts, and he doesn't reject when now Jo will approach him. Let's hope these lovebirds accept eachother with complete trust forgetting the bitter past...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

very good analysis , Mansi. very good episode , i will say , a new thread opening for the future , same time ending at the note of evil getting more evil, and two lovebirds drawned in grief, Jalal turning in hatred mode. hope it won't last.

The best part i found was, that this time it was Ruku he turned to for sharing his grief and not MA. even in my last post i said , it will be Ruku who will bridge the gap btw AkDha. even now i m hoping my expectation to come true. by now Ruku has come to know Jo is a real pure soul, and won't hurt anybody intentionally, least of all Jalal. so if Jalal really tells Ruku everything, Ruku will talk to Jodha abt it. So things i m expecting to happen r:

Jalal to tell Ruku that Jodha wrote a letter to him and MA read that letter to him. so while Ruku will talk to Jodha, she can sense that MA is behind the plot. then if she gets to see the real letter , she can tell Jalal that Jodha is not lying, but i don't think Ruku can read the letter, i m sure Ma must have destroyed it by now. But Ruku will make sure to clear Jo's confusion , by clearly telling her the whole thing and so Jo will learn that Jalal is unable to read and so she too will be able to understand the whole confusion and MA's plotting.

but same time ruku knows that making Jalal understand the real truth is not possible without any proof to them. So finally both Jo and ruku will make some plan , this time to save AkDha marriage.

one more thing, If Jo is jealous of Benazir, then it might be Ruku who will help Jo understand her feelings for Jalal. But i m really expecting Ruku to play major part to clear this confusion btw AkDha.


Anyway, should we go and kill MA for her plotting? she is getting to my nerves now.

now to the best part AkDha scene. the thing we were dreading , that Shehenshah E Hind is all set for a very worst rejection in his life till date. and it happened. only the scene was so beautiful by all means, that it made greater impact even on us . written beautifully, well directed and played superbly by both Rajat and Pari.

Jalal was so vurnerable , i felt he is ready to break any time and so is trying to hold on to Jo and when that rejection hit him , his anger reaching to peak that is ready to destroy everything . and while he was to the extremes of every emotion , Jo's controlled calmness and strength was soothing. every emotion they played, every sentence gave the feeling to be there with them to share their every experience, their expectations, their happiness, their sadness, their confusion , Jo's helplessness and Jalal's anger. so touchy..

and then when he is on his own, not able to control his anger for her rejection, finally turns to Ruku to show, where his personal trust rests. and as i said earlier , i m really expecting Ruku to be the one to form an unbreakable trust btw AkDha.

Let's see how Benezir acts in this track. but one thing for sure, I want Jalal's confusion and anger goes away by Ruku-Jo efforts, and he doesn't reject when now Jo will approach him. Let's hope these lovebirds accept eachother with complete trust forgetting the bitter past...

Diksha, I fully remember that you have been steadfastly saying Ruq will come to the rescue in this track, and today you have written a brilliant take on this topic. I am fully in agreement with you. That Kanha ka Dhaga will help now!
As for Jodha and Jalal I think yesterday the true feelings came out. Even if they both don't know what that is, at least we viewers can see what those feelings are!

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