Mughals - JA(REAL) is not Fiction-Pt4 - Author/TM's note on Pg1 and 91 - Page 24

@Abhay🤣

Originally posted by: tamy267

@Abhay🤣

arey I feel bad for Jalal also ! how he had to take long long bhaashans of Jodha !

at least Urdu is easy to understand..but sanskrit...😕..

its just that they r soul-mates ! and soul-mates don't need any language...their heart talks❤️.

Tamy,
You made me land in another trouble by mentioning this "bhaashan stuff of Jodha".😕
Bombarded with PM's overnight.
OK. Take this answer.

I am not saying anything from " ❤️ " point of view..
This one is a totally serious answer..!..

But, if you think "The Real Jodha" , did not give her "bhaashans and lectures to Jalal".
Then, have a thought. She did give.!.


"Lectures were there surely, But may be the way of delivery was bit different from what is shown...😊 But nonetheless, MUZ did have active participation in Akbar's decisions...The way a wife can influence her husband's decisions..."


(Do not talk about that movie. Real Jalal and Jodha were not that way. That question has been answered already.)
Link:
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98473841

I am explaining this because, when it will be shown on the show that Jodha giving MAJOR 'lectures' to Jalal even in "political and court matters", then the forum will soon erupt, with the usual dialogue ->"Real Jodha of 16th century would not have done so. She would be obedient mute spectator. And, this is harming Jalal's image..!.." ...And, then again Fan-Wars....


Do not understand, why MANY of us underestimate women of 16th century.😕.
Do not know about other women. But, she was different.
So, you remember her even now..!.. after 400-450 years.!.
And, that is the reason, MAXIMUM references are tampered which are associated with her. (see previous page for PROOF of tamperings.!.)...
Links::
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98184475

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98956120


More examples ::

1. 13th century (760 years back.!!.)
Even Raziya Sultan(1236-1240), daughter of Iltutmish ruled Delhi. A woman sat on throne of Delhi, against the wishes of Ulemas.!!..

2. 17th century (350 years back)
A daughter of Aurangzeb(or his brother) gave a speech to the army.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98555146

3. 16th century (450 years back)
MUZ herself commanded a cavalry of 12,000..Link::
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/97808719

4. 500 BC(2500 years back..!!..when women condition was not so good..)
Foster Mother of Gautam Buddha, Gautami, herself attended the Buddhist Sangha, even when women at that time were not allowed to attend. She made Buddha change his mind through a disciple Ananda. This is probably from Buddhist text - 'Vinaya-Pitaka'.

The reason i am giving these examples is only to TELL, DO NOT GENERALISE EVERYTHING. Few women were DIFFERENT and HENCE FAMOUS as well.!!.

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As usual..!..
No one is ready to accept Jalal getting bhaashans from Jodha..!.As they feel it is being done to showcase Jodha as MAHAAN..!!!...😕 "phew"..If she was Mahaan, then what's the problem accepting her..?.."Jodha ke Mahan hone se Jalal ki Mahaanta kam ho jayegi kya.?.".😕.Nahi.!..

I do not want to enter this debate of Jalal-Jodha FAN war.!.
But, i am just writing what CHRONICLES have given us...!!..
For me it's no benefit to side with anyone.

I am answering coz i have facts IN-hand.
Don't like un-necessary "vad-vivaad" based on BASELESS assumptions.😕.

Just telling you since had this question..AND, many PM's to me and KDR81 earlier..
).

P.S. -> Lectures/Bhaashan's are true. Do not feel Akbar's prestige is getting down by this. If this happened why won't they show it.?.

Two links -->Comments by me and KDR81..Check them...

1. 2-3 comments by myself.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3809107/akbar-ruqs-false-monogamy-pt2ja-not-fiction-upd-p10-16-18-ruqs34-35-36?pn=4

2. A comment by KDR81. (4th comment on this page.)
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3809107/akbar-ruqs-false-monogamy-pt2ja-not-fiction-upd-p10-16-18-ruqs34-35-36?pn=5

P.P.S. -> Please do NOT PM for knowing the details of theLectures/Bhaashan's to me or KDR81.😊. Will update soon. You may post here, till then. (a request..)

P.P.P.S -> Feel free to reject this answer as fiction, if some people do not believe. I am just answering few PM's and Tamy's query. But, reality says 'Lectures' are TRUE. (Some instances are very famous.).


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Originally posted by: Super Kool

Yes...the marriage didn't have her consent but...In the show...she questions him...argues and answers back...wonder if real one would have done it...🤔

Originally posted by: history_geek

Well...if i say she could have questioned him, as shown here...>>>will u believe me..???😊

I was randomly going through the amer archives...
There we have instance'S' (recorded..!not 1 but more than that!)
That Bhagwant das replying straight "NO" to akbar, where he opposed akbar in front of ALL...on some issue...

Even man singh once hits akbar while akbar is drunk(not heavily) , when akbar falls down...and ...akbar gets up...hits him back...and Finally the other people have to intervene to stop this brawl.!!!!...this is another story...

I am not trying to degrade akbar as an emperor..he was shahenshah...i agree...
But i read all this..events
This only shows the amount of comfort or closeness he had with amer people, that they even involved in such events.!!!!!

Well, if any other person had done so, for sure...Akbar would have cut him to pieces...!!!!

So who knows what muz did or could have done...?..?
Afterall, she had also a great character sketch...
And i do not have complete archives...
You may not believe but when i get the archives/notes back.
I am going to put a separate post..😊

Originally posted by: KDR81

Yes Dear,
I know abt those incidents...😃 and also know abt certain kinds of conversations MUZ used to have with her Hubby...and the Naaz-Nakhre she used to actually show...😆 U too will probably come across the accounts while rummaging through Amer Archive...And also signs of the intensity of their relation...😃
U see, she passed on these traits to her offspring too...!!😉

Regards.
Kamal

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The thing is, as told before also🥱 many times is, 'minor events' are in royal archives, not in commonly available chronicles, like Akbarnama or Jahangirnama, etc. etc. .😊
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Soon, those events will be posted.
But friends, PLEASE NO PM's on this ISSUE.😊..Already, battling pending ones.😕 We both are quite busy. Just answering this because this answer was a pick-up job from previous thread, with minor additions. Till then, you may post here on the thread. NO problem in interacting.

Hope this clears some doubt OVER MUZ's nature or say "Lecture giving sessions" .😊

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Had to write this, since this debate + question was NOW really tiresome..!
And, troublesome..

P.S. ->
1. The answer is from historical point of view. ...
2. Hope "those" PM senders got the answer, who wanted to know about Real Jalal-Jodha.😊
3. Here, by Jodha i mean Heera Kunwari aka MUZ..

Actually Abhay, you can't blame people of this forum when they start yelling when they start yelling "real Jodha was not like this , not like that etc etc. " Most of them , say 99.99 % have absolutely zilch idea about history n their idea about history is limited to wikipedia , which is completely like a place for fanfiction. 😕 😆

This post was quite interesting Abhay! Thanks! 😊

so jodha akbar serial is not fiction...

Thank you.😊 As pointed in the post about some talks between Akbar-MUZ. I am definitely interested. If it can be posted in the forum, then please do so, whenever you have some time on hand.

Originally posted by: mithrasayee

so jodha akbar serial is not fiction...

thanks a lot to ur pm..

i love ur posts...

bcoz i love history like u..

once again really thanks...

Welcome..😊...

But..😲...Are you asking me is Jodha-Akbar fiction..?.
It is fact..!..not fiction...

Infact, the name of MY posts is "Jodha-Akbar is not fiction...!!..."

Part-1Mariam Zamani - Some unknown facts
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3782915/mariam-uz-zamani-pt1-updt-muz-p39-padshah-begum-p40-salim-and-muz-p46

Part2: Akbar Ruqayya, Ruqayya Miscarriage Incident, Akbar-Amer relations, etc.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3809107/akbar-ruqs-false-monogamy-pt2ja-not-fiction-upd-p10-16-18-ruqs34-35-36

Part3: GLORY OF FAITH : Akbar with Mariam Zamani Begum - Their Famous Painting
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3826749/glory-of-faith-akbar-n-muz-pt3-ja-not-fiction-akbar-seals-p25-note-p26

If you get time someday, just read all these previous threads..
ESPECIALLY the MAIN pages...And updated Pages...
You will understand it is a FACT..
😊.And, i am just sharing my findings..Nothing more..!..

Hats off to all those who r contributing real history here .👏👏 Spl thanks to Abhay (history_geek) , Kamal (kdr81) n clumsywings 👏👍🏼
and no questions...😳. i feel enlightened here...

hey mr.abhay pls tell me the name of the books those were read by you..

@abhay: thanx for pm n giving this valuable information.
I really felt woe when i saw at forum in posts that jodha shouldn't give lecture to jalal,its not harmonized with her character who has come frm 16th century! Kyu bhai! Whats prblm here if a wife contradicts, altercates,argues with her hubby when hubby needs to plausible advice or they don't become unanimous on any issue? Whatever its the time of 16 century..moreover,if jodha really argued with jalal according to history then it wouldn't b ever irrational issue even its proved jodha as a sage n self respected lady who never backwarded to express her verdict before her hubby who is mighty mughal emperor.