Where is Jodha potrayal going wrong? - Page 4

Is jodha a Saint😳.. no i don't think so...if she was then ab tak wo apna boriya-bistar badhake himalaya pe tapchharyaa karne chali jati😆 I find Her characterization is very realistic as compare to other sas-bahu sagas coz this1 is historical.Jodha is pure soul ..jo bhi man me hai wo uske juban par hota hai..she never holds double standards.like others..if jodha isn't feel jealous that doesn't means she is a saint types ..all humans r nt supposed to be like ruku..it depens upon their up bringing...yest she standed for herself...& i truely love her the way she is😳😳😳 & i don't know why some still thinks that this is fictional show😳..i coudn't get it after providing lengthy explanations with references by lizzy,abhay & team😳 @history_geek:- Bang on reply 👏👏👏 Totally Agree wit u👍🏼👍🏼ppls who thinks like this Hope ur reply will help them to clear their assumption..😃😃😃

Originally posted by: history_geek

Great post.!! dear..!!!😊

But, i have some issues..So, i wanted to clarify, may be i got my facts wrong...😊

So, discussing them point by point..😊

Really...believe..My points are from TOTALLY HISTORICAL ANGLE...i am not discussing the serial...

Neither, i am against your views.😃

Please do not mis-understand my views...I am just trying to TEST my knowledge...as i have also put HARD efforts digging these old graves..😕!.!.!.But, really can not believe on majority of your views.😕

As i feel, some topics should be clarified...

Hope u got what i mean to say.and take me on a positive note...

Plz start...dear..

1.

I think jodha character in serial is flawed and hence other than when they are fun/romantic scenes with jalal i cannot appreciate her character otherwise.

mypoint:

seriously, it is not flawed...😊

2.

I like ruqaiah and jalal because both are more human do mistakes accept faults.

jodha is not a realistic character she is like some saint kind of human who cannot do errors who cannot do faults who sacrifices everything for others etc she is most unrealistic character.

mypoint:

ruqaiah and jalal because both are more human do mistakes accept faults-->> we all like them...agreed..⭐️

jo's character not realistic.!!!! Hmm...!!!! is it fictional .😉..???...it's much more close to reality.!!

saint kind of human...!!!! yes, she was...if u have read about her history, provided from unbiased point of view..😉

who cannot do errors -😛-->> !!!!????...every1 does errors and if u want example from serial itself, plz remember that yesterday only jo said to ruqs that i agreed getting ur clap since that time ur heart was hurt...but not now...again, u c, she admitted something, which went against her...(though i do not want to give comments from serial!!!) 😆

3.

the very fact that she does not want anything to with jalal her husband is unbelievable and not true because she married him to save her family, because he was super rich and powerful emperor who could give her, her family, her amer jantha money and protection and status.

mypoint:

really..!! she married because he was rich..!!!..???...plz...check..dear...😊

and jalal could give her family the money...sorry, this is totally false, please read the IMPERIAL GAZETTER OF INDIA,😊 and if possible read the Princely states of india's accounts(Rajputana),😊 where it's clearly written that the 'erstwhile princely state of Amer had MAXIMUM REVENUE IN ENTIRE RAJPUTANA, despite the fact that Amer was not the largest rajputana state. The largest states were Marwar and Mewar, then.👍🏼

Also, regarding power of empire, when jalal married Harka his empire was nothing more than Kabul, Punjab(that too west, north and east punjab..not southern part.), Delhi, Agra,Mewat, Jaunpur, Nagore, Ajmer.(i may have skipped 1,2 names, probably)👍🏼

Even Gwalior, Merta, etc. were occupied after marriage...So, again this point is not down my throat atleast, so i have expressed my views..

also about "status"👍🏼 --> Amer is FAMOUS IN Rajputana for producing DISTINGUISHED fighters and WARRIORS in history. Let me give an example...All people here know the great warrior Prithviraj Chauhan.😃 One of his constant companions and distinguished general was Raja Purjana Kachwaha. He married one of Prithviraj's sister. He fought aginst Muhammed Ghori, near the fort of Bhatinda (present day Punjab) in 1191 A.D. , and was slained there. In his honour, Chand Bardai, the composer of Prithviraj Raso, has dedicated a separate couplet in his honour, which reads as follows...

In Hindi--->>👍🏼

Aaj rad dhilladi, aaj Dhundhar anathai

Aaj adin Prithviraj, aaj sanwant bin mathai

Aaj par dal dal jor, aaj nij dal bhram bhagge

Aaj mahi bin kasam, aaj marjad ullage

Hinduwan aaj tuti dhili, aaj turkani ucchatiya

Kuram Pajjun marata thakan,manu chap gun tuttiya

English Translation--->>👍🏼

(Today the fight has weakened, today Dhundhar has become orphan. Today Prithviraj has become a fighter without head. Today enemies forces have become strong, and own forces are running in confusion. Today the land has started crossing her limitations like a widow. Today Hindus have lost their heart and invaders encouraged. With the death of Kuram(Kachwaha) Pajjun, Prithviraj has become a bow with broken string.)

Sorry..Not a history lecture...but only proved my point regarding " Amer's status ".😕

Even, in Akbar's time, "at one point of time" 50-60%% of his empire had Amer's subedars.(Lahore, Kabul, Agra, Delhi, Ajmer,Bengal). I will give their names of commanders also. Jagannath, the Amer prince was a commander, even under Jahangir's reign..!!

Also, even the Royal Treasury was put under control of a Kachwaha ruler. Mind it :: All this was done against the wishes of his OWN ULEMAS and commanders.!!!..I will give in details in my threads..(yes.!! with references..)

(the list is non-exhaustive!!😕!! so stopping to give all that in my threads.in future.)👍🏼

4.

So her showing so much attitude to him is unbelievable again the real akbar would have dumped her back at amer if she had behaved like serial jodha.

But alas this is fiction not real? So serial jalal takes all things thrwn at him calmly.

mypoint:

attitude----> this is reality, not attitude...every1 here seems to take this as attitude...vn ruqs shows this - it's cv's at fault..when jo does ...it is unbelievable.😆.i agree positive criticism is required👍🏼 but again, these sort of comments are really.....

dumped back to Amer--->!!!!!!!! Had u read about them(JA), this point wud not have entered this thread, dear...😃

fiction------>>?????? Alas.!! m speechless...can't say more aftr this..!!!.

serial jalal takes all things thrwn at him calmly --->>>> real jalal also took it like this dear...plz read contemporary accounts...otherwise, m going to give "EVIDENCES" in my next posts when he actually took down her "nakhras(attitude-as ppl say.)"...we can have a look there..if not here...

5.

I think real jodha was like serial ruqaiah husbands love wifes who command them like a mother more than a crying abla nari(they get bored because men are not emotional creatures) or fierce tigress(men feel threatened) like jodha

mypoint:

real jodha was like serial ruqaiah husbands love wifes who command them like a mother -->>> i agree...wid u...totally...👍🏼

men are not emotional creatures--->> rethink..plz. do not say all this about men..😆

real jodha wud not cry like abla nari ---->>> plz..rethink...thoda rona 😭to banta hai...i mean, a bit of crying is necessary...😆

6.

and i think real ruqaiah was like serial jodha hence her husband married 300 women and had 5000 cocubines😲

mypoint:

real ruqaiah was like serial jodha---->> his wives wud have loved him...whether serial or real...

had 5000 concubines --->> plz quote the reference...as far AS I KNOW THIS IS TOTALLY FLAWED STATEMENT..i have read this 1000's of times on internet..and on forum also...always kept quiet...but really, it is better to DISCUSS now,
if there is some thing...which is DISPUTED...some debate is required..because

SOMETHING IF NOT DISCUSSED AND SORTED OUT, GETS ENGRAINED IN OUR MIND AS IF, IT'S TRUE...INFACT, IN MY PART-2 POST OF AKBAR-RUQAYYA, I HAVE INFACT GIVEN REFERENCES TO PROVE THAT HOW AKBAR'S WORDS ON MONOGAMY WERE TWISTED TO SUIT RUQAYYA.👍🏼...No one denies Ruqayya was his childhood friend-a sweet bond(conditions applied...it will enter in this domain of ruq-akbar in my thread, not here), but people everytime twisting statements to suit ruqs is not nice..dear..!!.😃

link to part2: have a look dear..
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3809107/akbar-ruqs-false-monogamy-pt2ja-not-fiction-upd-p10-16-18-ruqs34-35-36

7.

If real ruqu was like serial ruqu no way jalal would have married anyone else because she is correct image of wife she loves him to jealousy(believe me men secretly love that in wives that possessiveness), she can get killed or kill others for jalal, she plays with him like a kid sister, commands him like mother, does nakra like wife and gives suggestions like a father that is what a man really wants in a wife. Her only mistake is she cannot give a son to akbar other than that she is a best wife anyone can have.

mypoint:

jalal wud not have married --> !!!!!!!! his marriages were his political 'decisions'...nothing to do wid this jealousy angle...😕

8.

Many people on forum say that her possessiveness and rudeness is negative point but it is not jalal and ruqu come from same royal family and both behave same way as they are brought up like that envt factors. Jalal understands that she is like him only because of upbringing. And reagrding her Malika-e-mughal sultanat position when jalla is so possessive about his Shahenshah taqt why should she not be.

mypoint:

people on forum say that her possessiveness and rudeness is negative point --->> i agree 100% wid u here👍🏼...a wife should be possessive..👍🏼..
but, i have not read about ruqs possessiveness in historical accounts, BUT about his rajput wives. Badayuni in Muntakhab-ut-Tarikh, has DIRECTLY EXPRESSED HIS "WRATH AND ANGER" at jalal's rajput wives saying they are so possessive about his activities.!!..again, there is no mention of Ruqs in his book.!!!!...But , again, a wife shud b possessive...also, i am not mentioning this point, this point was quoted in my part3 thread by memberS, who have read his accounts...So, u see people are themselves proving the intensity of jj relation👍🏼...but, still i agree, all wives should be possessive..

9.

Anyways the people think if jalla divorce her she will lose that title no ways because all mughal emperors had made empress as their sisters/cousin sisters only except hamida(because both ruqu and bakshi were small), nur jahan(jehangir never made her empress till ruqaiah died) and mumtaz mahal. All other empress were sisters/cousin sisters. So even in jalal divorce her etc she will still remain Malika-e-mughal sultanat(empress of Mughal empire).😲

mypoint:

only except hamida --->>

nur jahan(jehangir never made her empress till ruqaiah died) --->> so ruqayya was proclaimed empress.!!?😕??!!..i mean Padshah Begum sort of .😕...i NEVER READ ALL THIS EXCEPT ON INTERNET.😲..plz clear.😛..if i am wrong...since i may be wrong...i will then give my REFERENCES as well...👍🏼

so, MUZ was not declared empress.!!!!!plz check...i am ready with references...to prove contrary..>>>>👍🏼👍🏼

m not against ruqs..👍🏼.she also was a great lady, jalal's friend.👍🏼...but, do not understand why bashings reserved for Jo always.😕

Ok. bashings are fine...But, then why twist the facts.???? and "OVERLOOK" them..

10.

In 21st century when all woman want post/position/power what is wrong if in 15th century a woman wants a pwer of position. That does not mean she does not love jalal to death. If you remember during tiger incdent she said i will drink poison first and join jalal. That means she love jalal more than her life or empress position.

The problem in this serial is to make jodha heroine CVs making everyone in jalal life villan.

????????????????????????????????

11.

Hamida became villan by ques jodha in pregnancy track.

Bakshi became villan in pregnancy track.

Ruqu was made villan from starting by showing her rude/after position etc.

Salima is safe because she is khan baba's amanat(another man's wife) which was not reality. Akbar loved her most after ruqaiah and she was only one who could use his royal seal and sit in durbar to give justice in his absence.

mypoint:

i do not KNOW what to say on this "love" angle, because i do not know how to "MEASURE" LOVE..😆.since this is a relative concept..!!⭐️!...i mean i have no unit to describe this..!!

but regarding ROYAL SEALS,😕 i have doubt,😕 does this mean Salima had seals.????😕..Again, i am on opposite side, As far as i know MUZ had the seals.😕..

2 EvIDENCES were quoted on my thread..part3...by lizzy and myself...and regarding salima having seals..???? may be i missed some book...plz clear it...😕

link to part3:have alook dear on page12..😊
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3826749/glory-of-faith-akbar-n-muz-pt3-ja-not-fiction-akbar-seals-p25-note-p26

Dear,😊

I am sorry, my comments r not fro hurting but constructive debate...

but, i am only claryfying my doubts...😕

plz...correct me...i agree, i may be wrong...😕
m ready 2 accept my mistakes.😊

Thnx...for this thread..⭐️

Abhay..👍🏼

Originally posted by: history_geek

Great post.!! dear..!!!😊

But, i have some issues..So, i wanted to clarify, may be i got my facts wrong...😊

So, discussing them point by point..😊

Really...believe..My points are from TOTALLY HISTORICAL ANGLE...i am not discussing the serial...

Neither, i am against your views.😃

Please do not mis-understand my views...I am just trying to TEST my knowledge...as i have also put HARD efforts digging these old graves..😕!.!.!.But, really can not believe on majority of your views.😕

As i feel, some topics should be clarified...

Hope u got what i mean to say.and take me on a positive note...

Plz start...dear..

1.

I think jodha character in serial is flawed and hence other than when they are fun/romantic scenes with jalal i cannot appreciate her character otherwise.

mypoint:

seriously, it is not flawed...😊

2.

I like ruqaiah and jalal because both are more human do mistakes accept faults.

jodha is not a realistic character she is like some saint kind of human who cannot do errors who cannot do faults who sacrifices everything for others etc she is most unrealistic character.

mypoint:

ruqaiah and jalal because both are more human do mistakes accept faults-->> we all like them...agreed..⭐️

jo's character not realistic.!!!! Hmm...!!!! is it fictional .😉..???...it's much more close to reality.!!

saint kind of human...!!!! yes, she was...if u have read about her history, provided from unbiased point of view..😉

who cannot do errors -😛-->> !!!!????...every1 does errors and if u want example from serial itself, plz remember that yesterday only jo said to ruqs that i agreed getting ur clap since that time ur heart was hurt...but not now...again, u c, she admitted something, which went against her...(though i do not want to give comments from serial!!!) 😆

3.

the very fact that she does not want anything to with jalal her husband is unbelievable and not true because she married him to save her family, because he was super rich and powerful emperor who could give her, her family, her amer jantha money and protection and status.

mypoint:

really..!! she married because he was rich..!!!..???...plz...check..dear...😊

and jalal could give her family the money...sorry, this is totally false, please read the IMPERIAL GAZETTER OF INDIA,😊 and if possible read the Princely states of india's accounts(Rajputana),😊 where it's clearly written that the 'erstwhile princely state of Amer had MAXIMUM REVENUE IN ENTIRE RAJPUTANA, despite the fact that Amer was not the largest rajputana state. The largest states were Marwar and Mewar, then.👍🏼

Also, regarding power of empire, when jalal married Harka his empire was nothing more than Kabul, Punjab(that too west, north and east punjab..not southern part.), Delhi, Agra,Mewat, Jaunpur, Nagore, Ajmer.(i may have skipped 1,2 names, probably)👍🏼

Even Gwalior, Merta, etc. were occupied after marriage...So, again this point is not down my throat atleast, so i have expressed my views..

also about "status"👍🏼 --> Amer is FAMOUS IN Rajputana for producing DISTINGUISHED fighters and WARRIORS in history. Let me give an example...All people here know the great warrior Prithviraj Chauhan.😃 One of his constant companions and distinguished general was Raja Purjana Kachwaha. He married one of Prithviraj's sister. He fought aginst Muhammed Ghori, near the fort of Bhatinda (present day Punjab) in 1191 A.D. , and was slained there. In his honour, Chand Bardai, the composer of Prithviraj Raso, has dedicated a separate couplet in his honour, which reads as follows...

In Hindi--->>👍🏼

Aaj rad dhilladi, aaj Dhundhar anathai

Aaj adin Prithviraj, aaj sanwant bin mathai

Aaj par dal dal jor, aaj nij dal bhram bhagge

Aaj mahi bin kasam, aaj marjad ullage

Hinduwan aaj tuti dhili, aaj turkani ucchatiya

Kuram Pajjun marata thakan,manu chap gun tuttiya

English Translation--->>👍🏼

(Today the fight has weakened, today Dhundhar has become orphan. Today Prithviraj has become a fighter without head. Today enemies forces have become strong, and own forces are running in confusion. Today the land has started crossing her limitations like a widow. Today Hindus have lost their heart and invaders encouraged. With the death of Kuram(Kachwaha) Pajjun, Prithviraj has become a bow with broken string.)

Sorry..Not a history lecture...but only proved my point regarding " Amer's status ".😕

Even, in Akbar's time, "at one point of time" 50-60%% of his empire had Amer's subedars.(Lahore, Kabul, Agra, Delhi, Ajmer,Bengal). I will give their names of commanders also. Jagannath, the Amer prince was a commander, even under Jahangir's reign..!!

Also, even the Royal Treasury was put under control of a Kachwaha ruler. Mind it :: All this was done against the wishes of his OWN ULEMAS and commanders.!!!..I will give in details in my threads..(yes.!! with references..)

(the list is non-exhaustive!!😕!! so stopping to give all that in my threads.in future.)👍🏼

4.

So her showing so much attitude to him is unbelievable again the real akbar would have dumped her back at amer if she had behaved like serial jodha.

But alas this is fiction not real? So serial jalal takes all things thrwn at him calmly.

mypoint:

attitude----> this is reality, not attitude...every1 here seems to take this as attitude...vn ruqs shows this - it's cv's at fault..when jo does ...it is unbelievable.😆.i agree positive criticism is required👍🏼 but again, these sort of comments are really.....

dumped back to Amer--->!!!!!!!! Had u read about them(JA), this point wud not have entered this thread, dear...😃

fiction------>>?????? Alas.!! m speechless...can't say more aftr this..!!!.

serial jalal takes all things thrwn at him calmly --->>>> real jalal also took it like this dear...plz read contemporary accounts...otherwise, m going to give "EVIDENCES" in my next posts when he actually took down her "nakhras(attitude-as ppl say.)"...we can have a look there..if not here...

5.

I think real jodha was like serial ruqaiah husbands love wifes who command them like a mother more than a crying abla nari(they get bored because men are not emotional creatures) or fierce tigress(men feel threatened) like jodha

mypoint:

real jodha was like serial ruqaiah husbands love wifes who command them like a mother -->>> i agree...wid u...totally...👍🏼

men are not emotional creatures--->> rethink..plz. do not say all this about men..😆

real jodha wud not cry like abla nari ---->>> plz..rethink...thoda rona 😭to banta hai...i mean, a bit of crying is necessary...😆

6.

and i think real ruqaiah was like serial jodha hence her husband married 300 women and had 5000 cocubines😲

mypoint:

real ruqaiah was like serial jodha---->> his wives wud have loved him...whether serial or real...

had 5000 concubines --->> plz quote the reference...as far AS I KNOW THIS IS TOTALLY FLAWED STATEMENT..i have read this 1000's of times on internet..and on forum also...always kept quiet...but really, it is better to DISCUSS now,
if there is some thing...which is DISPUTED...some debate is required..because

SOMETHING IF NOT DISCUSSED AND SORTED OUT, GETS ENGRAINED IN OUR MIND AS IF, IT'S TRUE...INFACT, IN MY PART-2 POST OF AKBAR-RUQAYYA, I HAVE INFACT GIVEN REFERENCES TO PROVE THAT HOW AKBAR'S WORDS ON MONOGAMY WERE TWISTED TO SUIT RUQAYYA.👍🏼...No one denies Ruqayya was his childhood friend-a sweet bond(conditions applied...it will enter in this domain of ruq-akbar in my thread, not here), but people everytime twisting statements to suit ruqs is not nice..dear..!!.😃

link to part2: have a look dear..
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3809107/akbar-ruqs-false-monogamy-pt2ja-not-fiction-upd-p10-16-18-ruqs34-35-36

7.

If real ruqu was like serial ruqu no way jalal would have married anyone else because she is correct image of wife she loves him to jealousy(believe me men secretly love that in wives that possessiveness), she can get killed or kill others for jalal, she plays with him like a kid sister, commands him like mother, does nakra like wife and gives suggestions like a father that is what a man really wants in a wife. Her only mistake is she cannot give a son to akbar other than that she is a best wife anyone can have.

mypoint:

jalal wud not have married --> !!!!!!!! his marriages were his political 'decisions'...nothing to do wid this jealousy angle...😕

8.

Many people on forum say that her possessiveness and rudeness is negative point but it is not jalal and ruqu come from same royal family and both behave same way as they are brought up like that envt factors. Jalal understands that she is like him only because of upbringing. And reagrding her Malika-e-mughal sultanat position when jalla is so possessive about his Shahenshah taqt why should she not be.

mypoint:

people on forum say that her possessiveness and rudeness is negative point --->> i agree 100% wid u here👍🏼...a wife should be possessive..👍🏼..
but, i have not read about ruqs possessiveness in historical accounts, BUT about his rajput wives. Badayuni in Muntakhab-ut-Tarikh, has DIRECTLY EXPRESSED HIS "WRATH AND ANGER" at jalal's rajput wives saying they are so possessive about his activities.!!..again, there is no mention of Ruqs in his book.!!!!...But , again, a wife shud b possessive...also, i am not mentioning this point, this point was quoted in my part3 thread by memberS, who have read his accounts...So, u see people are themselves proving the intensity of jj relation👍🏼...but, still i agree, all wives should be possessive..

9.

Anyways the people think if jalla divorce her she will lose that title no ways because all mughal emperors had made empress as their sisters/cousin sisters only except hamida(because both ruqu and bakshi were small), nur jahan(jehangir never made her empress till ruqaiah died) and mumtaz mahal. All other empress were sisters/cousin sisters. So even in jalal divorce her etc she will still remain Malika-e-mughal sultanat(empress of Mughal empire).😲

mypoint:

only except hamida --->>

nur jahan(jehangir never made her empress till ruqaiah died) --->> so ruqayya was proclaimed empress.!!?😕??!!..i mean Padshah Begum sort of .😕...i NEVER READ ALL THIS EXCEPT ON INTERNET.😲..plz clear.😛..if i am wrong...since i may be wrong...i will then give my REFERENCES as well...👍🏼

so, MUZ was not declared empress.!!!!!plz check...i am ready with references...to prove contrary..>>>>👍🏼👍🏼

m not against ruqs..👍🏼.she also was a great lady, jalal's friend.👍🏼...but, do not understand why bashings reserved for Jo always.😕

Ok. bashings are fine...But, then why twist the facts.???? and "OVERLOOK" them..

10.

In 21st century when all woman want post/position/power what is wrong if in 15th century a woman wants a pwer of position. That does not mean she does not love jalal to death. If you remember during tiger incdent she said i will drink poison first and join jalal. That means she love jalal more than her life or empress position.

The problem in this serial is to make jodha heroine CVs making everyone in jalal life villan.

????????????????????????????????

11.

Hamida became villan by ques jodha in pregnancy track.

Bakshi became villan in pregnancy track.

Ruqu was made villan from starting by showing her rude/after position etc.

Salima is safe because she is khan baba's amanat(another man's wife) which was not reality. Akbar loved her most after ruqaiah and she was only one who could use his royal seal and sit in durbar to give justice in his absence.

mypoint:

i do not KNOW what to say on this "love" angle, because i do not know how to "MEASURE" LOVE..😆.since this is a relative concept..!!⭐️!...i mean i have no unit to describe this..!!

but regarding ROYAL SEALS,😕 i have doubt,😕 does this mean Salima had seals.????😕..Again, i am on opposite side, As far as i know MUZ had the seals.😕..

2 EvIDENCES were quoted on my thread..part3...by lizzy and myself...and regarding salima having seals..???? may be i missed some book...plz clear it...😕

link to part3:have alook dear on page12..😊
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3826749/glory-of-faith-akbar-n-muz-pt3-ja-not-fiction-akbar-seals-p25-note-p26

Dear,😊

I am sorry, my comments r not fro hurting but constructive debate...

but, i am only claryfying my doubts...😕

plz...correct me...i agree, i may be wrong...😕
m ready 2 accept my mistakes.😊

Thnx...for this thread..⭐️

Abhay..👍🏼

Hi All,
@history_geek:welcome back...😃 Agree on the points with special note to the following:

1.Rajputana Status & Wealth: Well, I really have now words to describe my wonder at the thought that Jodha married Jalaal because he was RICH...??😆 Nothing can be funnier that this assumption as Rajputana Royals were famed for their wealth and grandeur which is a well-established fact for centuries...In fact, certain gifts which Akbar received during his marriage to Heera were quite worthy of mention and were valued by him all through. I don't even think there 's any necessity of citing books for that...the Erstwhile Rajputana territory has enough standing proofs of their wealth and Rutbah...😊

2.About Jodha's character in the serial, the flaw is not in the character but the portrayal...u see, sometimes, for the sake of serial TRP , the PCs need to tone up certain aspects of a character...
However, Heera was Heera and Ruqaiyya was Ruqaiyya, no mixing of the two...even if the serial tones both of them up few notches...who loved the Emperor in their own ways.😊

3. About 300 marriages and 5000 concubines, really guys🥱, please be realistic...Real marriage of Akbar was far far less than the number 300...and all ladies living in the harem did not become his concubine by doing so....there were female relatives, daughters, Cousins, Aunts etc also.😕
( this topic is so very tiresome now...but this clarification was needed...😔)

4. Pls note ,Ruqaiyya was a Royal Mughal Princess by birth, and not a Royal Mughal Empress by birth. She became Empress only after marrying the Badshah Jalaal . So,while she would have lost her Auda as Begum-e-Khaas (in context of the serial) if Jalaal divorced her, she still would have remained a Royal Shehzadi by her own Right even without the Padshah Begum Status, hence no question of her leaving the Royal Harem. And Royal Shehzadi Auda too, was very prestigious post and often had much say in the Ruling( E.g. Sh.Jahanara Begum, Sh.Roshanara Begum ...)😊

Rest pts, Abhay has already pointed nicely

Regards,
Kamal

Originally posted by: KDR81

Hi All,
@history_geek:welcome back...😃 Agree on the points with special note to the following:

1.Rajputana Status & Wealth: Well, I really have now words to describe my wonder at the thought that Jodha married Jalaal because he was RICH...??😆 Nothing can be funnier that this assumption as Rajputana Royals were famed for their wealth and grandeur which is a well-established fact for centuries...In fact, certain gifts which Akbar received during his marriage to Heera were quite worthy of mention and were valued by him all through. I don't even think there 's any necessity of citing books for that...the Erstwhile Rajputana territory has enough standing proofs of their wealth and Rutbah...😊

2.About Jodha's character in the serial, the flaw is not in the character but the portrayal...u see, sometimes, for the sake of serial TRP , the PCs need to tone up certain aspects of a character...
However, Heera was Heera and Ruqaiyya was Ruqaiyya, no mixing of the two...even if the serial tones both of them up few notches...who loved the Emperor in their own ways.😊

3. About 300 marriages and 5000 concubines, really guys🥱, please be realistic...Real marriage of Akbar was far far less than the number 300...and all ladies living in the harem did not become his concubine by doing so....there were female relatives, daughters, Cousins, Aunts etc also.😕
( this topic is so very tiresome now...but this clarification was needed...😔)

4. Pls note ,Ruqaiyya was a Royal Mughal Princess by birth, and not a Royal Mughal Empress by birth. She became Empress only after marrying the Badshah Jalaal . So,while she would have lost her Auda as Begum-e-Khaas (in context of the serial) if Jalaal divorced her, she still would have remained a Royal Shehzadi by her own Right even without the Padshah Begum Status, hence no question of her leaving the Royal Harem. And Royal Shehzadi Auda too, was very prestigious post and often had much say in the Ruling( E.g. Sh.Jahanara Begum, Sh.Roshanara Begum ...)😊

Rest pts, Abhay has already pointed nicely

Regards,
Kamal

Originally posted by: KDR81

Hi All,
@history_geek:welcome back...😃 Agree on the points with special note to the following:

1.Rajputana Status & Wealth: Well, I really have now words to describe my wonder at the thought that Jodha married Jalaal because he was RICH...??😆 Nothing can be funnier that this assumption as Rajputana Royals were famed for their wealth and grandeur which is a well-established fact for centuries...In fact, certain gifts which Akbar received during his marriage to Heera were quite worthy of mention and were valued by him all through. I don't even think there 's any necessity of citing books for that...the Erstwhile Rajputana territory has enough standing proofs of their wealth and Rutbah...😊

2.About Jodha's character in the serial, the flaw is not in the character but the portrayal...u see, sometimes, for the sake of serial TRP , the PCs need to tone up certain aspects of a character...
However, Heera was Heera and Ruqaiyya was Ruqaiyya, no mixing of the two...even if the serial tones both of them up few notches...who loved the Emperor in their own ways.😊

3. About 300 marriages and 5000 concubines, really guys🥱, please be realistic...Real marriage of Akbar was far far less than the number 300...and all ladies living in the harem did not become his concubine by doing so....there were female relatives, daughters, Cousins, Aunts etc also.😕
( this topic is so very tiresome now...but this clarification was needed...😔)

4. Pls note ,Ruqaiyya was a Royal Mughal Princess by birth, and not a Royal Mughal Empress by birth. She became Empress only after marrying the Badshah Jalaal . So,while she would have lost her Auda as Begum-e-Khaas (in context of the serial) if Jalaal divorced her, she still would have remained a Royal Shehzadi by her own Right even without the Padshah Begum Status, hence no question of her leaving the Royal Harem. And Royal Shehzadi Auda too, was very prestigious post and often had much say in the Ruling( E.g. Sh.Jahanara Begum, Sh.Roshanara Begum ...)😊

Rest pts, Abhay has already pointed nicely

Regards,
Kamal

Mam,
Everything has been said...so i can't say anything..!!
But, again thnx for confirming that issue of 300 and 5000.was fed up reading this statement..on forum...on net..!!!!...otherwise i was ready wid my bag of reference for this point also...😊

Originally posted by: ann2012

He FORCED her to marry him. Told her at the very first night at Agra that he wouldn't touch her. People have problem if she fought him and now when she is being responsible and nice, even that is a issue. Jodha/MUZ was like that in history too.

BTW when Salima is all nice, dignified etc. people have no qualms. Then why do rules change in case of Jodha??

@History_geek thank u!!😊

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Pls read mughal royal wedding custom's of harem

after first night of marriage the bed was checked and if girl is proved as not virgin she was killed immediately no matter if she was princess, queen, ordinary etc. Exception was if girl was very small child bride like ruqaiah then when she became mature a feast took place and agian same thing happened or other man's wife(like salima)/widows(like nur jahan). The same was definetly done for jodha in 15th century same day of marriage. Also once wife reached 30 years king/prince would not keep husband-wife relation with that wife/cocubbine.

I was also shocked to know all this but its truth

So what is shown in serial is wrong that akbar kept away from her etc may be he was not close to her and hence after first night kept away from her. But there is no evidence of that in history.

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Pls read mughal royal wedding custom's of harem

after first night of marriage the bed was checked and if girl is proved as not virgin she was killed immediately no matter if she was princess, queen, ordinary etc. Exception was if girl was very small child bride like ruqaiah then when she became mature a feast took place and agian same thing happened or other man's wife(like salima)/widows(like nur jahan). The same was definetly done for jodha in 15th century same day of marriage. Also once wife reached 30 years king/prince would not keep husband-wife relation with that wife/cocubbine.

I was also shocked to know all this but its truth

So what is shown in serial is wrong that akbar kept away from her etc may be he was not close to her and hence after first night kept away from her. But there is no evidence of that in history.

Jodhaa is being portrayed very fine. Pls. don't find faults with her for each and everything.