Where is Jodha potrayal going wrong? - Page 3

Originally posted by: jshweta16

@history_geek ..I don't know your name but whatever you have researched and shared is beyond marvelous!! Hats off to your efforts 👍🏼. I do not understand why people keep ruqaiya in high regards demeaning MUZ and Amer Family.(I am not pinpointing anyone here!) though there is very much less valid info stating Ruqaiya taking precedence over other begums of Akbar. The character ruqaiya in serial is very much the adaptation of Indu's twentieth wife which was fictional history, the book mentioned Hamida bano as Salim's mother(though Indu later cleared her misunderstanding to readers) and does not even mentions MUZ as an important figure. Ekta has researched for 1.5 years but has taken the character from Indu's book which mentions her as arrogant and in charge of harem which is not true at all!! or atleast we don't have any official record of being so.

Originally posted by: jshweta16

@history_geek ..I don't know your name but whatever you have researched and shared is beyond marvelous!! Hats off to your efforts 👍🏼. I do not understand why people keep ruqaiya in high regards demeaning MUZ and Amer Family.(I am not pinpointing anyone here!) though there is very much less valid info stating Ruqaiya taking precedence over other begums of Akbar. The character ruqaiya in serial is very much the adaptation of Indu's twentieth wife which was fictional history, the book mentioned Hamida bano as Salim's mother(though Indu later cleared her misunderstanding to readers) and does not even mentions MUZ as an important figure. Ekta has researched for 1.5 years but has taken the character from Indu's book which mentions her as arrogant and in charge of harem which is not true at all!! or atleast we don't have any official record of being so.

Originally posted by: makeveli_hush

She's acting more and more like a neighbour than a blooming wife...

I would have sent her back to her family the very first week if she refused my right as a husband...

They've been married for several months and she's still a maiden? Heck where are her bag? I will be the first one to pack them up and send her back where she came from.

If she wants to become a saint/nun she should do it under her parents roof.

I have stopped watching this tripe for a while only coming to the forum to see the progress, I will start watching again when she becomes a wife and stops acting like she's saint Jodha. 😡😡😡

Originally posted by: hewa2204

I am just extremely glad Jodha is Jalal's wife not yours. 😆😆

You seem more worried about Jalal's marital rights than Jalal himself. 🤣

I can understand him not wanting to force himself on her. What is that going to achieve.

Besides, Jalal got a harem full of women. 😉. He is hardly going to worry about one saying no.

Originally posted by: history_geek

Great post.!! dear..!!!😊

But, i have some issues..So, i wanted to clarify, may be i got my facts wrong...😊

So, discussing them point by point..😊

Really...believe..My points are from TOTALLY HISTORICAL ANGLE...i am not discussing the serial...

Neither, i am against your views.😃

Please do not mis-understand my views...I am just trying to TEST my knowledge...as i have also put HARD efforts digging these old graves..😕!.!.!.But, really can not believe on majority of your views.😕

As i feel, some topics should be clarified...

Hope u got what i mean to say.and take me on a positive note...

Plz start...dear..

1.

I think jodha character in serial is flawed and hence other than when they are fun/romantic scenes with jalal i cannot appreciate her character otherwise.

mypoint:

seriously, it is not flawed...😊

2.

I like ruqaiah and jalal because both are more human do mistakes accept faults.

jodha is not a realistic character she is like some saint kind of human who cannot do errors who cannot do faults who sacrifices everything for others etc she is most unrealistic character.

mypoint:

ruqaiah and jalal because both are more human do mistakes accept faults-->> we all like them...agreed..⭐️

jo's character not realistic.!!!! Hmm...!!!! is it fictional .😉..???...it's much more close to reality.!!

saint kind of human...!!!! yes, she was...if u have read about her history, provided from unbiased point of view..😉

who cannot do errors -😛-->> !!!!????...every1 does errors and if u want example from serial itself, plz remember that yesterday only jo said to ruqs that i agreed getting ur clap since that time ur heart was hurt...but not now...again, u c, she admitted something, which went against her...(though i do not want to give comments from serial!!!) 😆

3.

the very fact that she does not want anything to with jalal her husband is unbelievable and not true because she married him to save her family, because he was super rich and powerful emperor who could give her, her family, her amer jantha money and protection and status.

mypoint:

really..!! she married because he was rich..!!!..???...plz...check..dear...😊

and jalal could give her family the money...sorry, this is totally false, please read the IMPERIAL GAZETTER OF INDIA,😊 and if possible read the Princely states of india's accounts(Rajputana),😊 where it's clearly written that the 'erstwhile princely state of Amer had MAXIMUM REVENUE IN ENTIRE RAJPUTANA, despite the fact that Amer was not the largest rajputana state. The largest states were Marwar and Mewar, then.👍🏼

Also, regarding power of empire, when jalal married Harka his empire was nothing more than Kabul, Punjab(that too west, north and east punjab..not southern part.), Delhi, Agra,Mewat, Jaunpur, Nagore, Ajmer.(i may have skipped 1,2 names, probably)👍🏼

Even Gwalior, Merta, etc. were occupied after marriage...So, again this point is not down my throat atleast, so i have expressed my views..

also about "status"👍🏼 --> Amer is FAMOUS IN Rajputana for producing DISTINGUISHED fighters and WARRIORS in history. Let me give an example...All people here know the great warrior Prithviraj Chauhan.😃 One of his constant companions and distinguished general was Raja Purjana Kachwaha. He married one of Prithviraj's sister. He fought aginst Muhammed Ghori, near the fort of Bhatinda (present day Punjab) in 1191 A.D. , and was slained there. In his honour, Chand Bardai, the composer of Prithviraj Raso, has dedicated a separate couplet in his honour, which reads as follows...

In Hindi--->>👍🏼

Aaj rad dhilladi, aaj Dhundhar anathai

Aaj adin Prithviraj, aaj sanwant bin mathai

Aaj par dal dal jor, aaj nij dal bhram bhagge

Aaj mahi bin kasam, aaj marjad ullage

Hinduwan aaj tuti dhili, aaj turkani ucchatiya

Kuram Pajjun marata thakan,manu chap gun tuttiya

English Translation--->>👍🏼

(Today the fight has weakened, today Dhundhar has become orphan. Today Prithviraj has become a fighter without head. Today enemies forces have become strong, and own forces are running in confusion. Today the land has started crossing her limitations like a widow. Today Hindus have lost their heart and invaders encouraged. With the death of Kuram(Kachwaha) Pajjun, Prithviraj has become a bow with broken string.)

Sorry..Not a history lecture...but only proved my point regarding " Amer's status ".😕

Even, in Akbar's time, "at one point of time" 50-60%% of his empire had Amer's subedars.(Lahore, Kabul, Agra, Delhi, Ajmer,Bengal). I will give their names of commanders also. Jagannath, the Amer prince was a commander, even under Jahangir's reign..!!

Also, even the Royal Treasury was put under control of a Kachwaha ruler. Mind it :: All this was done against the wishes of his OWN ULEMAS and commanders.!!!..I will give in details in my threads..(yes.!! with references..)

(the list is non-exhaustive!!😕!! so stopping to give all that in my threads.in future.)👍🏼

4.

So her showing so much attitude to him is unbelievable again the real akbar would have dumped her back at amer if she had behaved like serial jodha.

But alas this is fiction not real? So serial jalal takes all things thrwn at him calmly.

mypoint:

attitude----> this is reality, not attitude...every1 here seems to take this as attitude...vn ruqs shows this - it's cv's at fault..when jo does ...it is unbelievable.😆.i agree positive criticism is required👍🏼 but again, these sort of comments are really.....

dumped back to Amer--->!!!!!!!! Had u read about them(JA), this point wud not have entered this thread, dear...😃

fiction------>>?????? Alas.!! m speechless...can't say more aftr this..!!!.

serial jalal takes all things thrwn at him calmly --->>>> real jalal also took it like this dear...plz read contemporary accounts...otherwise, m going to give "EVIDENCES" in my next posts when he actually took down her "nakhras(attitude-as ppl say.)"...we can have a look there..if not here...

5.

I think real jodha was like serial ruqaiah husbands love wifes who command them like a mother more than a crying abla nari(they get bored because men are not emotional creatures) or fierce tigress(men feel threatened) like jodha

mypoint:

real jodha was like serial ruqaiah husbands love wifes who command them like a mother -->>> i agree...wid u...totally...👍🏼

men are not emotional creatures--->> rethink..plz. do not say all this about men..😆

real jodha wud not cry like abla nari ---->>> plz..rethink...thoda rona 😭to banta hai...i mean, a bit of crying is necessary...😆

6.

and i think real ruqaiah was like serial jodha hence her husband married 300 women and had 5000 cocubines😲

mypoint:

real ruqaiah was like serial jodha---->> his wives wud have loved him...whether serial or real...

had 5000 concubines --->> plz quote the reference...as far AS I KNOW THIS IS TOTALLY FLAWED STATEMENT..i have read this 1000's of times on internet..and on forum also...always kept quiet...but really, it is better to DISCUSS now,
if there is some thing...which is DISPUTED...some debate is required..because

SOMETHING IF NOT DISCUSSED AND SORTED OUT, GETS ENGRAINED IN OUR MIND AS IF, IT'S TRUE...INFACT, IN MY PART-2 POST OF AKBAR-RUQAYYA, I HAVE INFACT GIVEN REFERENCES TO PROVE THAT HOW AKBAR'S WORDS ON MONOGAMY WERE TWISTED TO SUIT RUQAYYA.👍🏼...No one denies Ruqayya was his childhood friend-a sweet bond(conditions applied...it will enter in this domain of ruq-akbar in my thread, not here), but people everytime twisting statements to suit ruqs is not nice..dear..!!.😃

link to part2: have a look dear..
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3809107/akbar-ruqs-false-monogamy-pt2ja-not-fiction-upd-p10-16-18-ruqs34-35-36

7.

If real ruqu was like serial ruqu no way jalal would have married anyone else because she is correct image of wife she loves him to jealousy(believe me men secretly love that in wives that possessiveness), she can get killed or kill others for jalal, she plays with him like a kid sister, commands him like mother, does nakra like wife and gives suggestions like a father that is what a man really wants in a wife. Her only mistake is she cannot give a son to akbar other than that she is a best wife anyone can have.

mypoint:

jalal wud not have married --> !!!!!!!! his marriages were his political 'decisions'...nothing to do wid this jealousy angle...😕

8.

Many people on forum say that her possessiveness and rudeness is negative point but it is not jalal and ruqu come from same royal family and both behave same way as they are brought up like that envt factors. Jalal understands that she is like him only because of upbringing. And reagrding her Malika-e-mughal sultanat position when jalla is so possessive about his Shahenshah taqt why should she not be.

mypoint:

people on forum say that her possessiveness and rudeness is negative point --->> i agree 100% wid u here👍🏼...a wife should be possessive..👍🏼..
but, i have not read about ruqs possessiveness in historical accounts, BUT about his rajput wives. Badayuni in Muntakhab-ut-Tarikh, has DIRECTLY EXPRESSED HIS "WRATH AND ANGER" at jalal's rajput wives saying they are so possessive about his activities.!!..again, there is no mention of Ruqs in his book.!!!!...But , again, a wife shud b possessive...also, i am not mentioning this point, this point was quoted in my part3 thread by memberS, who have read his accounts...So, u see people are themselves proving the intensity of jj relation👍🏼...but, still i agree, all wives should be possessive..

9.

Anyways the people think if jalla divorce her she will lose that title no ways because all mughal emperors had made empress as their sisters/cousin sisters only except hamida(because both ruqu and bakshi were small), nur jahan(jehangir never made her empress till ruqaiah died) and mumtaz mahal. All other empress were sisters/cousin sisters. So even in jalal divorce her etc she will still remain Malika-e-mughal sultanat(empress of Mughal empire).😲

mypoint:

only except hamida --->>

nur jahan(jehangir never made her empress till ruqaiah died) --->> so ruqayya was proclaimed empress.!!?😕??!!..i mean Padshah Begum sort of .😕...i NEVER READ ALL THIS EXCEPT ON INTERNET.😲..plz clear.😛..if i am wrong...since i may be wrong...i will then give my REFERENCES as well...👍🏼

so, MUZ was not declared empress.!!!!!plz check...i am ready with references...to prove contrary..>>>>👍🏼👍🏼

m not against ruqs..👍🏼.she also was a great lady, jalal's friend.👍🏼...but, do not understand why bashings reserved for Jo always.😕

Ok. bashings are fine...But, then why twist the facts.???? and "OVERLOOK" them..

10.

In 21st century when all woman want post/position/power what is wrong if in 15th century a woman wants a pwer of position. That does not mean she does not love jalal to death. If you remember during tiger incdent she said i will drink poison first and join jalal. That means she love jalal more than her life or empress position.

The problem in this serial is to make jodha heroine CVs making everyone in jalal life villan.

????????????????????????????????

11.

Hamida became villan by ques jodha in pregnancy track.

Bakshi became villan in pregnancy track.

Ruqu was made villan from starting by showing her rude/after position etc.

Salima is safe because she is khan baba's amanat(another man's wife) which was not reality. Akbar loved her most after ruqaiah and she was only one who could use his royal seal and sit in durbar to give justice in his absence.

mypoint:

i do not KNOW what to say on this "love" angle, because i do not know how to "MEASURE" LOVE..😆.since this is a relative concept..!!⭐️!...i mean i have no unit to describe this..!!

but regarding ROYAL SEALS,😕 i have doubt,😕 does this mean Salima had seals.????😕..Again, i am on opposite side, As far as i know MUZ had the seals.😕..

2 EvIDENCES were quoted on my thread..part3...by lizzy and myself...and regarding salima having seals..???? may be i missed some book...plz clear it...😕

link to part3:have alook dear on page12..😊
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3826749/glory-of-faith-akbar-n-muz-pt3-ja-not-fiction-akbar-seals-p25-note-p26

Dear,😊

I am sorry, my comments r not fro hurting but constructive debate...

but, i am only claryfying my doubts...😕

plz...correct me...i agree, i may be wrong...😕
m ready 2 accept my mistakes.😊

Thnx...for this thread..⭐️

Abhay..👍🏼

Originally posted by: sonia_1

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Jalal must be glad of some reprieve from at least one of his wives. 😳😆

Originally posted by: ...luvpari...

👏👏👏awesome...i agree with every bit you have written...she is not self sacrificing at all...