Maham-Adham versus Jodha-Jalal! - Page 9

Originally posted by: skanda12

Just imagine Jalal with tongue hanging out seeing Jodha!😛

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

Wonderful , awesome, dear. Mansi, one question : r u telling the truth that u r not from Ekta's CV team for JA? I mean does those CVs consult u before getting the screenplay ready for shoot, so that the story does not derail from the track? Way to go girl... a very beautiful analysis...👏👏👏

Diksha, if I am from JA creative team then you also must be! Since we get the same points more or less? From Day One we both seem to be on the same page? Kumbh mela separated twins, remember?

How can i forget, Twinee 🤗. the thing is, in many days, i haven't received hug from u , so i thought of making u remember 😆

and now since u have so perfectly analyzed all the scenes, i don't think anything left for me to comment abt the story or the scenes. ok so will put myself in a diff way today.

4 major characters today as u have put : Jalal , Jodha , Maham and Adham

Adham, i don't think as a major one, he is just a brainless idiot who creates a situation that puts questionmark on himself every time he decides to use his brain, and thus puts MA to a position so as to prove herself worst than devil. even today by crossing his roads with Jodha, he has caught the attention of Jalal in a wrong way, which can go against him in future. coz whatever justice is done, Jalal will never trust AK, coz now he has started trusting Jodha. and so with new spoiler abt Jalal putting ban on child-marriage just before AK-Tasneem marriage and AK swearing revenge on Jodha, it will be interesting to see Jalal standing against Adham as a ruthless emperor with Jodha supporting him with complete trust and pride thus rubbing salt on MA's wounded ego.

Diksha, just one question: how will Jalal explain this child marriage ban without undervaluing his own marriage with Ruq? Will he have to say he sees that it was a mistake even in his life?

ur question is logical. but when there is such logic, there is always a solution to it. as u have said, if he makes a law, it will put a big questionmark on his marriage with Ruku. no need of it.

The fact is he is a successor to his father as an emperor. and when a new emperor comes , new laws r expected to be introduced. That does not mean, previous laws r wrong. but there is always a space for betterment with the change in time. Nobody can question his marriage with Ruku , coz firstly their parents have decided it for purely political purpose , nor undervalue it coz till now she has been proved for him a good friend and good wife. the only think that she cant bear his child, doesn't make her imperfect. But at the same time, he can say that he has very good memories with ruku and he has no complaint for his life with her, but had it happened few years later when they have grown older mature, their relationship and understanding would have been different , more mature. There might have been more attraction and love btw them rather just a habitual formality and physical contact. and this can not be called as a mistake.

so when he makes a new law, he can even put it like giving space to the children , boy or girl, to develop themselves physically and mentally, and then get into relationship with consent of eachother that will be more mature and filled with trust and love(?). remember one thing : The amendments in law, or a new law is to stop from ruining the good things. (or so we should believe). and I think , as i have read the spoiler, even Ruku supports him in this decision as she too agrees with Jodha in AK-Tasneem case.

Jodha: she was different today. and while I really wanted her to give Jalal a fair chance without launching herself back in her ghrina mode, she actually surprised me by doing it. I pinched myself, to check the reality. Frankly I too was shocked just like Jalal that she is not putting blame on him. Loved her. what caught my attention was the way she controlled herself when Jalal openly asks her what wrong he has done to make her angry. For a sec i thought , she understood his mind that he has started holding himself responsible for her sadness and thus pacifies him first before putting the matter in front of him, thus giving him a moment of relief to cherish that at least this time he is not a criminal in her eyes, but same time putting a challenge in front of him to do the justice by punishing the real criminal. and he understands it, and promises her justice. so she reciprocates his previous question that he has put on her manners of greeting him. while she does 'Namaskar' while leaving to her room, thus showing she always plays fair to those who r fair with her, her face shows the satisfaction and trust he has gained.

Thank God she clarified that she was not angry with him, because when she came into the room breathing fire, I thought we would be back in ghrna mode! And even after her pacification Jyoti was sending me SMS that she should not have said "The sultanate is no safe place even for baandhis" as it was a bit rude! So I was waiting for her to redeem herself which she did in the precap!

agreed that she was aggressive to say it ,but it wasn't rude. again i will say, she spoke from her experiences. first Moti, now tasneem. nothing wrong in her, coz afterall she is the same princess we have seen with so much fire and attitude. If she forgets that fire, Jalal will start looking for another Jodha. anyway, but that's the sentence, which makes his listen her every word carefully, coz that's where she is putting a charge on him. so that was perfectly necessary. when he is under charge, right or wrong, he will surly try to find the truth and solution for that. Had she just complained plainly, may be he would have just promised her to talk to Adham. But her charge is the challenge for him to take the necessary action.

MA: Ashwini plays MA convincingly. Just her facial expression r such that will rottle the devil in it's place, and so her shrewd brain and her ambition to get what she wants for any cost. MA shows so perfectly why she ruled Jalal's brain for so many years. she blackmails him emotionally but forgets the fact that she too has some soft spots , he too will be knowing. so overconfident she has grown with her powers as Vazir and as his Badi Ammi, that she is ready to go to any extent to prove him puppet in her hands. only she forgot the biggest incident where Jalal has not asked her opinion and that is marrying Jodha. it was her to put the question every time, Jodha insulted him, put her conditions and still he went ahead marrying Jodha and all the time he was giving her HIS REASONS, which she had to accept. She is alerted that Jodha has powers to rule Jalal's heart and so trying her hard that Jalal will never realise that he indeed has a heart. But then it's time she understands , that just the years will pass for him as Shehenshah, the experience will make him more and more mature and independent to make the decisions of the state, and nobody can stop it.

Oh God, that's a super point ... that Maham has not counted the biggest instance where Jalal married Jodha without consulting her! See the mistake Maham is making here is that she thinks if Jodha's influence is not there, Jalal can be successfully kept in her grasp. But she only has to see how the same Jalal, without any influence from Jodha, went against Bairam when he had enough! Same treatment awaits Maham!

and Finally Jalal : the clear show-stealer for today. so many different expressions in all different situations. He stops MA from going simply coz he feels it as his duty, but i think had MA pushed the matter further, he would have let her go. His expressions while she was complaining were that of understanding her mind and as u have pointed that he was calculated while stopping her, i think he has started understanding now how these ppl try to USE him for their own purposes. Thanks to Jodha for that. He sees her trying to hold on her self-respect , at the same time while it's time for doing something for others be it just the servents, she does it selflessly. and it's touching the heart of the man who calls himself heartless. and so while he tries to lighten her angry mood, by teasing her abt her manners, he is concious not to hurt her by his words or actions. and when finally she greets him while leaving, he takes a note that she has taken the surprise in his teasing in positive manner and thus is happy that she has come to HIM with trust and so again submerges in the thoughts as how to do justice without hurting MA and still satisfying Jodha so to keep her trust intact.

Diksha, that would have been top of the pops if he had accepted her resignation! But see, in this instance I think his attitude towards Maham is calculated not so much because of Jodha's influence, but more because of Ruq's assessment that maham may favour her own son. So even Ruq is reshaping Jalal's mind! That's why this maham now finds both these wives an irritation. In fact she even dislikes Salima now for becoming Jalal's preferred confidante in personal matters!

frankly , i don't think, anybody can influence him, MA, Ruku or Jodha. He has a mind of his own. only he uses it the way these ppl think they rule on his brain and heart. He is always calculated and when he makes the final decision abt something , nobody can stop him. only he puts it the way to pamper the ego of others. but decisions r always of his own.

and finally in court, all expressions of shame , anger, helplessness and lastly determination were worth watching.

abt precap: why she will suddenly say, she trusts him and not ghrina anymore. does he ask her or she tells on her own? coz if he asks her with hope then with her answer he will be happy but if she is telling on her own, then he is in for a gr8 shock followed by happiness of winning the world.

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Now see here, after reading ur post , i had decided not to write much today, but This AkDha , i tell u, they just can't let u hold back. and here i m writing all the same points u have written , may be in different words.

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Originally posted by: jyoti06

@Mansi : I know Jalal has stopped mistaking her words and he was well aware that she said it in anger as she was worried for Tasneem there and so he assured her that he will make sure justice is done even if its Adham .. but this goes on to show how Jalal has started reading and understanding Jodha .. but I cannot say the same about Jodha because of her initial reaction .. why cant she read and understand Jalal in this same manner too ... After last week I expected Jodha to b more confident about Jalal as a ruler but the way she initially charged him tells me otherwise .. she still needs that extra assurance from Jalal to trust him fully 🤔

I forgot to mention that I loved the scene where Jodha tells Adham to stay away from Tasneem which is Mughal shehenshah ke begum ka orders 👍🏼.. that was the part which made me hopeful that Jodha will speak to Jalal in matured tone now about Adham and this is where her initial angry tone had put me off a bit 🤔

Originally posted by: jyoti06

@Mansi : I know Jalal has stopped mistaking her words and he was well aware that she said it in anger as she was worried for Tasneem there and so he assured her that he will make sure justice is done even if its Adham .. but this goes on to show how Jalal has started reading and understanding Jodha .. but I cannot say the same about Jodha because of her initial reaction .. why cant she read and understand Jalal in this same manner too ... After last week I expected Jodha to b more confident about Jalal as a ruler but the way she initially charged him tells me otherwise .. she still needs that extra assurance from Jalal to trust him fully 🤔

I forgot to mention that I loved the scene where Jodha tells Adham to stay away from Tasneem which is Mughal shehenshah ke begum ka orders 👍🏼.. that was the part which made me hopeful that Jodha will speak to Jalal in matured tone now about Adham and this is where her initial angry tone had put me off a bit 🤔

Originally posted by: pkaps

wonderfully analysed and Beautifully written 👍🏼

I seriously wonder how u manage to get time from ur desk to do this every day... 👏

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

but Jodha is well aware that she is putting the charge on AK who is MA's son, so indirectly MA will be involved in the case. and how can anybody be sure that Jalal will do the justice when MA is involved. even Ruku can't be sure of it. and thought Jalal thinks he has done justice in Ruku MC case, Jodha is well aware that MA is real culprit and so justice has not been done completely, and even if she tries to tell Jalal , he won't believe. so no, she can't trust him so completely not to charge him. only when he will make the new law to stop AK's marriage, he will win her complete trust, that he can go against MA, if necessary.

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

but Jodha is well aware that she is putting the charge on AK who is MA's son, so indirectly MA will be involved in the case. and how can anybody be sure that Jalal will do the justice when MA is involved. even Ruku can't be sure of it. and thought Jalal thinks he has done justice in Ruku MC case, Jodha is well aware that MA is real culprit and so justice has not been done completely, and even if she tries to tell Jalal , he won't believe. so no, she can't trust him so completely not to charge him. only when he will make the new law to stop AK's marriage, he will win her complete trust, that he can go against MA, if necessary.

Originally posted by: skanda12

Diksha, I agree with you, but I think the point Jyoti is making is that trust between Jodha-Jalal should not be "conditional" on anything - whether it be law enactments or any other demonstrations of trustworthiness by either of them. They need to get to the point where they do not need proof of trustworthiness before they are able to trust!