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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

OK, at last! But I am very eager to see what reasons he gives (which may also reflect on his own marriage with Ruq)?😲


This is worth a wait to hear his statement.😆 Maybe it will be ban child marriage against her will.😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
#72

Originally posted by: skanda12

Thanks a lot! 😛But I a get scared when people say they didn't see the epi but only saw my post! Hope I don't write some crap and make everybody prefer to miss the epi!😕



Miss was not intentional. I got held up with a stupid PPT at office until 1 AM. Your writings more than make up for the miss...hence depending on u. Will catch up with the missed epi on utube.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mansi fabulous take and I loved the way u hv mentioned all 4 primary characters in this track and what is their main intention in this case ..that sort of clears the puzzle of this track 👍🏼...

Here r my observations about the episode ..

Adham and Maham's smart gameplay .. will they succeed :
So Maham has seen some big dreams for her son Adham but instead she is letdown by her son's characterless display .. But Maham is someone who never gives up and so she once again comes up with this cunning idea of advicing Adham to put his defence by announcing that he loves Tasneem and wants to marry her so that the whole case is put to rest .. I guess Maham knows Jalal's weakness here .. Thats why she gives this advice to Adham so that Jalal cannot deny it since he himself married multiple times for waaris and so when Adham puts up the same defence Jalal to some extent is clean bowled ... I think more that Adham , its Maham's brainwave working here since Adham spoke everything that Maham had fed him already 😡 ...


Jalal asking Maham to do the decision making ...smart and fair move 👍🏼 :Coming to Jalal asking Maham to take decision against Adham , I guess he was testing Maham's intensions here since just earlier she cried foul about not involving her in discussing political issues anymore due to which she wanted to resign 😉 and at the same time Jalal wanted to b fair here since during pregnency fiasco , he gave rights to Jodha to decide Bakshi bano's punishment as the matter was related to her and so in this case too he wanted to give the rights to Maham since Adham is his son , so indirectly matter will b related to Maham's prestige too 🤔...

I must say Maham too is a smart palyer since noone would hv guessed that Maham already taught her son what all to say in the court in front of Jalal and co .. So after Adham puts this marriage clause in front of Jalal and everyone , it will b rather easy for Maham to give the verdict in positive since their religion does allow multiple marriage for waaris .. Jalal himself did it .. so well


Jodha might come to the rescue of this verdict and advice Jalal to ask for Tasneem's wish too 🤔 : So my assumption here is Jodha too might play smart here and might secretly ask Jalal to visit Tasneem's house in disguise and find out if she wants to marry Adham or not since the girl is a minor and so her wish becomes even more important in this case ... So far Jalal married many begums who were adult and that too with their wishes and not by force ... So in Adham's case too same should apply ... I guess Tasneem being a minor will go against Adham and as per articles and spoilers Jalal will ban child marriage 👏👏

I will b happy if Jalal on his own goes to visit Tasneem's house in disguise to find out what she wants instead of Jodha giving him this idea ... After all Jalal himself is a intelligent king too who in the past hv solved several such issues with his own presense of mind ..recent was Pregnency fiasco ... So I will b happy if even this time Jalal does it on his own


Jodha decides to delete the word ghrina from her dictionary but is this permanent ?? : 🤔... Even though the precap gives me hope that Jodha's ghrina for Jalal is finally put to rest since in her own words she said this to Jalal and even told that she trusts him but I will still reserve my verdict on this till Jodha proves the same through her actions too in the coming the episodes

Reason why I m saying this is because after the pregnency fiasco was solved , Jodha apologised for misunderstanding him and I thought ok now she will blindly trust him but yesterday the way Jodha came blasting to Jalal saying that no girl in his mahal is safe when u hv people like Adham roaming around , I once again saw arrogence in her words as if she is indirectly blaming Jalal only for giving free licence to Adham to do these stuffs in Mahal ... Only when Jalal assured Jodha that Adham will b convicted for this crime , Jodha cooled down a bit and said her anger was mainly on Adham and not on him , but then my question is if she was angry on Adham , then why was she so sarcastic initially towards Jalal while complaining about Adham ?? 🤔.. So somewhere down the line she still dont trust Jalal fully 🤔

Thats why even after the precap I m not too sure if Jodha still trusts Jalal or she is just saying all that mayb because Jalal successfully solved the Adham issue 🤔... This whole cycle of Jodha misunderstanding or misinterpreting Jalal is getting a bit on my nerves now because everytime she will blast Jalal for being on the wrong side and when Jalal solves the whole issue with his fair decision making , only then she says all those sugar coated words to Jalal but then again some issue arises and she will once again go back to square one with her ghrina and hate dialogues ... This whole cycle needs to stop now ... If Jodha said she trusts him and its the end of ghrina for her , then she need to stick to her words and when next issue arises , she got to trust Jalal there


Other than that I m tired of telling the CVs to get some passion and attraction into their convos as well and not make it a full documentary tale of Jalal-Jodha ... hope CVs pay attention to this ..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Abie10

Brilliant write-up!👏👏 Agree with you, Jalal looked calculative while talking to Maham. And am still wondering why he told Maham to give the judgment in Adham's case? Is he testing her having in mind what Ruqaiya told him?

Think this plan of Maham on using this one stone on both Jodha and Ruq will backfire. Jalal looked angry in that last sentence of Adham because 'am not the first as many keep marrying when their first can't have kids' was like on the face.

Yes Abie, looks like a total mismanagement of affairs by Maham-Adham. They have completely underestimated Jalal!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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mansi, Sorry, I wrote a big one despite lack of time but while posting, the network gave away and entire thing went for a task. No idea, if I have the patience to write again. Ig possible let me see later. For now, 🥺
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: jyoti06

Mansi fabulous take and I loved the way u hv mentioned all 4 primary characters in this track and what is their main intention in this case ..that sort of clears the puzzle of this track 👍🏼...

OK goody! Glad you liked the idea!😃

Here r my observations about the episode ..

Adham and Maham's smart gameplay .. will they succeed :
So Maham has seen some big dreams for her son Adham but instead she is letdown by her son's characterless display .. But Maham is someone who never gives up and so she once again comes up with this cunning idea of advicing Adham to put his defence by announcing that he loves Tasneem and wants to marry her so that the whole case is put to rest .. I guess Maham knows Jalal's weakness here .. Thats why she gives this advice to Adham so that Jalal cannot deny it since he himself married multiple times for waaris and so when Adham puts up the same defence Jalal to some extent is clean bowled ... I think more that Adham , its Maham's brainwave working here since Adham spoke everything that Maham had fed him already 😡 ...
Jyoti, I was having half a hope that this nutcase may mix up what his Mom taught him and he may tell the exact opposite! But unfortunately he had mugged it all up properly, so my wild dreams did not come true!


Jalal asking Maham to do the decision making ...smart and fair move 👍🏼 :Coming to Jalal asking Maham to take decision against Adham , I guess he was testing Maham's intensions here since just earlier she cried foul about not involving her in discussing political issues anymore due to which she wanted to resign 😉 and at the same time Jalal wanted to b fair here since during pregnency fiasco , he gave rights to Jodha to decide Bakshi bano's punishment as the matter was related to her and so in this case too he wanted to give the rights to Maham since Adham is his son , so indirectly matter will b related to Maham's prestige too 🤔...
I am feeling sure Jalal is testing this Maham here! He looked as if he was surreptitiously watching Maham carefully!

I must say Maham too is a smart palyer since noone would hv guessed that Maham already taught her son what all to say in the court in front of Jalal and co .. So after Adham puts this marriage clause in front of Jalal and everyone , it will b rather easy for Maham to give the verdict in positive since their religion does allow multiple marriage for waaris .. Jalal himself did it .. so well
But in the process they have angered Jalal and that is going to backfire!😕

Jodha might come to the rescue of this verdict and advice Jalal to ask for Tasneem's wish too 🤔 : So my assumption here is Jodha too might play smart here and might secretly ask Jalal to visit Tasneem's house in disguise and find out if she wants to marry Adham or not since the girl is a minor and so her wish becomes even more important in this case ... So far Jalal married many begums who were adult and that too with their wishes and not by force ... So in Adham's case too same should apply ... I guess Tasneem being a minor will go against Adham and as per articles and spoilers Jalal will ban child marriage 👏👏

I will b happy if Jalal on his own goes to visit Tasneem's house in disguise to find out what she wants instead of Jodha giving him this idea ... After all Jalal himself is a intelligent king too who in the past hv solved several such issues with his own presense of mind ..recent was Pregnency fiasco ... So I will b happy if even this time Jalal does it on his own
Yes that makes sense. This Jodha (or maybe Jalal himself) will now go to Tasneem's house as a chudiwala to see if the girl is herself being forced into marriage against her will! That seems the only way to stop this marriage on the grounds of zarbardasti!


Jodha decides to delete the word ghrina from her dictionary but is this permanent ?? : 🤔... Even though the precap gives me hope that Jodha's ghrina for Jalal is finally put to rest since in her own words she said this to Jalal and even told that she trusts him but I will still reserve my verdict on this till Jodha proves the same through her actions too in the coming the episodes

Reason why I m saying this is because after the pregnency fiasco was solved , Jodha apologised for misunderstanding him and I thought ok now she will blindly trust him but yesterday the way Jodha came blasting to Jalal saying that no girl in his mahal is safe when u hv people like Adham roaming around , I once again saw arrogence in her words as if she is indirectly blaming Jalal only for giving free licence to Adham to do these stuffs in Mahal ... Only when Jalal assured Jodha that Adham will b convicted for this crime , Jodha cooled down a bit and said her anger was mainly on Adham and not on him , but then my question is if she was angry on Adham , then why was she so sarcastic initially towards Jalal while complaining about Adham ?? 🤔.. So somewhere down the line she still dont trust Jalal fully 🤔

Thats why even after the precap I m not too sure if Jodha still trusts Jalal or she is just saying all that mayb because Jalal successfully solved the Adham issue 🤔... This whole cycle of Jodha misunderstanding or misinterpreting Jalal is getting a bit on my nerves now because everytime she will blast Jalal for being on the wrong side and when Jalal solves the whole issue with his fair decision making , only then she says all those sugar coated words to Jalal but then again some issue arises and she will once again go back to square one with her ghrina and hate dialogues ... This whole cycle needs to stop now ... If Jodha said she trusts him and its the end of ghrina for her , then she need to stick to her words and when next issue arises , she got to trust Jalal there
Jyoti, after you sent me your SMS that Jodha should not have said so rudely that "Even baandhis are not safe here!" even I got a bit flustered that Jalal should not take it amiss. Very fortunately he seems to have also stopped mistaking her, and she also clarified that she has stopped having ghrna!


Other than that I m tired of telling the CVs to get some passion and attraction into their convos as well and not make it a full documentary tale of Jalal-Jodha ... hope CVs pay attention to this ..
Amen to that!😛

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: deejagi

mansi, Sorry, I wrote a big one despite lack of time but while posting, the network gave away and entire thing went for a task. No idea, if I have the patience to write again. Ig possible let me see later. For now, 🥺

Oops! happened to me many times, that's why nowadays I type in MS Word and then paste it here!😲😲😲
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Oops! happened to me many times, that's why nowadays I type in MS Word and then paste it here!😲😲😲

Normally I do the same, but today due to lack of time, I thought will do it directly, but lost it entirely😳😳
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: deejagi

Normally I do the same, but today due to lack of time, I thought will do it directly, but lost it entirely😳😳

It always happens just on the day we want to type fast! That's when the whole bloody thing will screw up!😆😆😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Wonderful , awesome, dear. Mansi, one question : r u telling the truth that u r not from Ekta's CV team for JA? I mean does those CVs consult u before getting the screenplay ready for shoot, so that the story does not derail from the track? Way to go girl... a very beautiful analysis...👏👏👏
Diksha, if I am from JA creative team then you also must be! Since we get the same points more or less? From Day One we both seem to be on the same page? Kumbh mela separated twins, remember?

How can i forget, Twinee 🤗. the thing is, in many days, i haven't received hug from u , so i thought of making u remember 😆

and now since u have so perfectly analyzed all the scenes, i don't think anything left for me to comment abt the story or the scenes. ok so will put myself in a diff way today.

4 major characters today as u have put : Jalal , Jodha , Maham and Adham

Adham, i don't think as a major one, he is just a brainless idiot who creates a situation that puts questionmark on himself every time he decides to use his brain, and thus puts MA to a position so as to prove herself worst than devil. even today by crossing his roads with Jodha, he has caught the attention of Jalal in a wrong way, which can go against him in future. coz whatever justice is done, Jalal will never trust AK, coz now he has started trusting Jodha. and so with new spoiler abt Jalal putting ban on child-marriage just before AK-Tasneem marriage and AK swearing revenge on Jodha, it will be interesting to see Jalal standing against Adham as a ruthless emperor with Jodha supporting him with complete trust and pride thus rubbing salt on MA's wounded ego.
Diksha, just one question: how will Jalal explain this child marriage ban without undervaluing his own marriage with Ruq? Will he have to say he sees that it was a mistake even in his life?

ur question is logical. but when there is such logic, there is always a solution to it. as u have said, if he makes a law, it will put a big questionmark on his marriage with Ruku. no need of it.

The fact is he is a successor to his father as an emperor. and when a new emperor comes , new laws r expected to be introduced. That does not mean, previous laws r wrong. but there is always a space for betterment with the change in time. Nobody can question his marriage with Ruku , coz firstly their parents have decided it for purely political purpose , nor undervalue it coz till now she has been proved for him a good friend and good wife. the only think that she cant bear his child, doesn't make her imperfect. But at the same time, he can say that he has very good memories with ruku and he has no complaint for his life with her, but had it happened few years later when they have grown older mature, their relationship and understanding would have been different , more mature. There might have been more attraction and love btw them rather just a habitual formality and physical contact. and this can not be called as a mistake.

so when he makes a new law, he can even put it like giving space to the children , boy or girl, to develop themselves physically and mentally, and then get into relationship with consent of eachother that will be more mature and filled with trust and love(?). remember one thing : The amendments in law, or a new law is to stop from ruining the good things. (or so we should believe). and I think , as i have read the spoiler, even Ruku supports him in this decision as she too agrees with Jodha in AK-Tasneem case.

Jodha: she was different today. and while I really wanted her to give Jalal a fair chance without launching herself back in her ghrina mode, she actually surprised me by doing it. I pinched myself, to check the reality. Frankly I too was shocked just like Jalal that she is not putting blame on him. Loved her. what caught my attention was the way she controlled herself when Jalal openly asks her what wrong he has done to make her angry. For a sec i thought , she understood his mind that he has started holding himself responsible for her sadness and thus pacifies him first before putting the matter in front of him, thus giving him a moment of relief to cherish that at least this time he is not a criminal in her eyes, but same time putting a challenge in front of him to do the justice by punishing the real criminal. and he understands it, and promises her justice. so she reciprocates his previous question that he has put on her manners of greeting him. while she does 'Namaskar' while leaving to her room, thus showing she always plays fair to those who r fair with her, her face shows the satisfaction and trust he has gained.
Thank God she clarified that she was not angry with him, because when she came into the room breathing fire, I thought we would be back in ghrna mode! And even after her pacification Jyoti was sending me SMS that she should not have said "The sultanate is no safe place even for baandhis" as it was a bit rude! So I was waiting for her to redeem herself which she did in the precap!

agreed that she was aggressive to say it ,but it wasn't rude. again i will say, she spoke from her experiences. first Moti, now tasneem. nothing wrong in her, coz afterall she is the same princess we have seen with so much fire and attitude. If she forgets that fire, Jalal will start looking for another Jodha. anyway, but that's the sentence, which makes his listen her every word carefully, coz that's where she is putting a charge on him. so that was perfectly necessary. when he is under charge, right or wrong, he will surly try to find the truth and solution for that. Had she just complained plainly, may be he would have just promised her to talk to Adham. But her charge is the challenge for him to take the necessary action.


MA: Ashwini plays MA convincingly. Just her facial expression r such that will rottle the devil in it's place, and so her shrewd brain and her ambition to get what she wants for any cost. MA shows so perfectly why she ruled Jalal's brain for so many years. she blackmails him emotionally but forgets the fact that she too has some soft spots , he too will be knowing. so overconfident she has grown with her powers as Vazir and as his Badi Ammi, that she is ready to go to any extent to prove him puppet in her hands. only she forgot the biggest incident where Jalal has not asked her opinion and that is marrying Jodha. it was her to put the question every time, Jodha insulted him, put her conditions and still he went ahead marrying Jodha and all the time he was giving her HIS REASONS, which she had to accept. She is alerted that Jodha has powers to rule Jalal's heart and so trying her hard that Jalal will never realise that he indeed has a heart. But then it's time she understands , that just the years will pass for him as Shehenshah, the experience will make him more and more mature and independent to make the decisions of the state, and nobody can stop it.
Oh God, that's a super point ... that Maham has not counted the biggest instance where Jalal married Jodha without consulting her! See the mistake Maham is making here is that she thinks if Jodha's influence is not there, Jalal can be successfully kept in her grasp. But she only has to see how the same Jalal, without any influence from Jodha, went against Bairam when he had enough! Same treatment awaits Maham!

and Finally Jalal : the clear show-stealer for today. so many different expressions in all different situations. He stops MA from going simply coz he feels it as his duty, but i think had MA pushed the matter further, he would have let her go. His expressions while she was complaining were that of understanding her mind and as u have pointed that he was calculated while stopping her, i think he has started understanding now how these ppl try to USE him for their own purposes. Thanks to Jodha for that. He sees her trying to hold on her self-respect , at the same time while it's time for doing something for others be it just the servents, she does it selflessly. and it's touching the heart of the man who calls himself heartless. and so while he tries to lighten her angry mood, by teasing her abt her manners, he is concious not to hurt her by his words or actions. and when finally she greets him while leaving, he takes a note that she has taken the surprise in his teasing in positive manner and thus is happy that she has come to HIM with trust and so again submerges in the thoughts as how to do justice without hurting MA and still satisfying Jodha so to keep her trust intact.
Diksha, that would have been top of the pops if he had accepted her resignation! But see, in this instance I think his attitude towards Maham is calculated not so much because of Jodha's influence, but more because of Ruq's assessment that maham may favour her own son. So even Ruq is reshaping Jalal's mind! That's why this maham now finds both these wives an irritation. In fact she even dislikes Salima now for becoming Jalal's preferred confidante in personal matters!

frankly , i don't think, anybody can influence him, MA, Ruku or Jodha. He has a mind of his own. only he uses it the way these ppl think they rule on his brain and heart. He is always calculated and when he makes the final decision abt something , nobody can stop him. only he puts it the way to pamper the ego of others. but decisions r always of his own.


and finally in court, all expressions of shame , anger, helplessness and lastly determination were worth watching.

abt precap: why she will suddenly say, she trusts him and not ghrina anymore. does he ask her or she tells on her own? coz if he asks her with hope then with her answer he will be happy but if she is telling on her own, then he is in for a gr8 shock followed by happiness of winning the world.
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Now see here, after reading ur post , i had decided not to write much today, but This AkDha , i tell u, they just can't let u hold back. and here i m writing all the same points u have written , may be in different words.
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Edited by sweet_diksha - 11 years ago

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