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Posted: 11 years ago
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Will answer that last question from my take on the show. Jalal is undoubtedly attracted to Jodha, finds her a challenge but has also sub consciously realized that she is not indifferent to him. She has taken care of him (tiger incident), nursed him back to health with that lep, clutched onto him in that boat without flinching, laughed at his silly stories, cared enough to show off to him with that three arrow bragging, tended to his hand and his back injuries, has no qualms in talking to him about her innermost feelings of hate or emotions, be it grina for him, respect for his mother, or love for her family, she who is the embodiment of etiquette with everyone else seems to have no filters where he is concerned. What could this be, this sense of familiarity, this knowing she will go unpunished despite what she says and how she acts with him? We are flummoxed but so is Jalal. But he has an inkling, every time he goads her by trying to make her admit she cares, he is only trying to ascertain what he already suspects. She is a nag of a wife and he has gotten used to her, the nagging means she considers herself as his begum, that she cares and that is all he is seeking for now. Who cares if she punishes him for playing peeping Tom, he will deal with her haranguing later, he will do what he wants and enjoy seeing his stern, preachy begum dance. As he says to himself, he is the Shenshah and who dare stop him from having some innocent fun at his begum's expense?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sweet_diksha


once again a very good post , Mansi and to the point. today my points r slightly different. my take here will be in three parts, first Jodha, second Jalal and last both of them. here i m not taking anyone's side. but looking at both of them as he said yest " Destiny chooses it's players".

so abt Jodha. yes, while watching her first time yest, anybody can be upset that she is so insensitive or blunt. But there is one more thing. Only with him , she is like that. the Reason is why? Is she like that from her birth? if yes, then she should be like that with everybody, which she isn't. she is loving, caring, soft, fiery, proud, ethical , and a person who can be described as very pure and good soul. It's only with him, her fiery side comes out. even with MA or Ruku she is not that fiery or intolerant. then why with him?
like i said, for a girl who has always got lots of love, care and affection , who has led a complete protected life , whose dreams were totally different, everything crashed in a second. she had to sacrifice herself for her ppl to somebody she had come to hate coz of some incidents. we have seen her as selfless person, she was ready to give up Suryabhan's love (she didn't love him, but he loved her) for Sukanya. that means she is ready to sacrifice. and had it been somebody from Rajputs she would have accepted him. but it's Jalal, the man she hated to the core. the man who married her under false pretenses (in her eyes).
abt her yest's bluntness and insensitivity, i think it was only in her words. if she would have been insensitive, she wouldn't have been upset after he is attacked. she was worried for him , before Maina spoke abt Sukanya's marriage and requested her to talk to Jalal. even then she didn't at first spoke abt Amer, she just said abt attacks on him. but his question whether suddenly she started caring for him, changed her mind, as she took the question from him as his taunt. and by now she knows , if she starts her Amer Jaap, he gets irritated, so she did exactly that. and when he speaks abt his not trusting anybody, seeing enemy in even his close ones, for a second there was a shock on her face. she is loved all the time by everybody, till she got married, she never had to be suspicious of anybody, so this is all shocking for her. and with him she is always blunt, so she said it directly.

now let's see abt Jalal. A man who has lost his childhood in freas and cruelity from his own ppl, a man burdened with huge responsibilities at very tender age. he thinks everybody around him is only there coz he is Sheheshah, the ultimate power, and so they will be the benefitiories. and he is well aware of the fact that they r interested only in his power and wealth. he knows nobody loves him truly, and he is not expecting that.
but about Jodha, he has seen her caring and loving others. he had liked it first time he saw her. but he was shocked that she hates him without knowing him. so he made it his mission to teach her lesson. he insulted her , threatened her but all that coz what he really wanted from her was her attention and her care. (not saying love here , coz he still doesn't believe in love). but he is not getting that from her, rather her intolerance for him, her ignorance of him is something that hurts him.

he wants her care, he is Jealous when she cares for others, so he keeps hoping that she will be same with her. but then he forgets , the basic difference is there.

she cares for them,loves the ppl, she feels (not think) as her own, be it her amer ppl or Hameeda banu and Rahim. She has accepted them as her own. while he was always her enemy (at least by her POV), who is cruel and insensitive. so she is behaving the same with him. she cares for him, but only in her mind. the moment she sees him , her mind makes her take a step backwords, and plus his words r something , she always takes as something with hidden agenda. she just can't understand that he craves for her care. she understands her loneliness, but she doesn't think herself to be the one who can help him getting out of it.
and somewhere he is responsible for it. the way he keeps advertising , that he has no heart, the person like Jodha won't be able to connect with it. he himself has built the walls around him so that nobody can hurt him, but the walls r so thick, that he ends hurting himself more and more. and this is the situation, where nobody, (and really nobody) can help him. Not even Jodha.

he behaves very good with her, but his one taunt when she is with him, makes her forget all his good deeds. and it's not her fault. she is not yet connected with him . she goes back to her 'ghrina' shell with his one wrong word.

i know many will ask, why only Jalal should back off, why can't Jodha see him as a person. then the Fact is : IT WAS JALAL WHO WANTED JODHA IN HIS LIFE FOR WHATEVER REASONS AND NOT VICE VERSA.

She never wanted him so she will never try. it's him who have to open a small door in his life to let her see through it, and only then she will be able to connect with him. else they will always be like that , two banks of the river who can see eachother but can not come together.


👏... 10q for writing this...😊... I feel a bit better now... 😳
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Posted: 11 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Will answer that last question from my take on the show. Jalal is undoubtedly attracted to Jodha, finds her a challenge but has also sub consciously realized that she is not indifferent to him. She has taken care of him (tiger incident), nursed him back to health with that lep, clutched onto him in that boat without flinching, laughed at his silly stories, cared enough to show off to him with that three arrow bragging, tended to his hand and his back injuries, has no qualms in talking to him about her innermost feelings of hate or emotions, be it grina for him, respect for his mother, or love for her family, she who is the embodiment of etiquette with everyone else seems to have no filters where he is concerned. What could this be, this sense of familiarity, this knowing she will go unpunished despite what she says and how she acts with him? We are flummoxed but so is Jalal. But he has an inkling, every time he goads her by trying to make her admit she cares, he is only trying to ascertain what he already suspects. She is a nag of a wife and he has gotten used to her, the nagging means she considers herself as his begum, that she cares and that is all he is seeking for now. Who cares if she punishes him for playing peeping Tom, he will deal with her haranguing later, he will do what he wants and enjoy seeing his stern, preachy begum dance. As he says to himself, he is the Shenshah and who dare stop him from having some innocent fun at his begum's expense?

Another brilliant take! Now the hate posts are slowly decreasing and people are beginning to write really very well thought out posts. Thanks everybody, including you, Soapwatcher, for the positivity!😳🤗
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Posted: 11 years ago
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👏 woah! that was some piece of analysis... Hats off to you
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: pkaps

👏 woah! that was some piece of analysis... Hats off to you

Thanks!😛
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thanks Kiran!😛
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: lashy

WOW my thoughts exactly!


Same here...Ive ranted enough yesterday about her! I didn't even mind her saying she doesn't care about him but telling him that he is unloved on his face was something a person would think tice before telling an enemy! That was the worst part...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mansi interesting post 👍🏼...

Somewhere down the line I had similar thoughts like yours simply because instead of making my own assumptions , I want to see what the characters in the show r feeling ... When Jodha was being insensitive with her words towards Jalal , I felt bad and was pissed off at her ... but then I saw Jalal's reaction and I could sense that instead of feeling Bad , Jalal was actually thinking when Jodha commented about his loveless life and how he has to live in fear because he cannot trust even his own loved ones which is actually the truth .. Jalal's reaction clearly indicated that part of Jodha's words actually hits him hard since its a harsh reality ... At times u got to b a bit insensitive to make one realise what that person is lacking in his life and Jodha did exactly that reason why Jalal was not really pissed at Jodha but even more mesmerised with her brutal honesty 👍🏼... Also Jalal dint keep quiet there , he did reply back to her by saying how he has not choosen this life , but this life has choosen him and he had no option but to accept it .. So Jalal indirectly hinted to Jodha that he is not living this loveless life with his own wish either 👍🏼...

For me the above conversation was not about who is right and who is wrong , but it was more about Jalal and Jodha coming further close to each other in terms of understanding each other .. Jalal now knows about Jodha's brutal honest nature which he appreciates while Jodha now knows about Jalal's reasoning behind why he wants to stay back in Amer despite the attacks which she might not appreciate fully because of her various fears but at least she knows the reason behind it

Also I feel Jodha is in denial about Jalal just how Jalal was in denial earlier about Jodha .. I still remember when Ruqaiyya asked Jalal if he is falling for Jodha and so going to Amer , Jalal quickly said he is going to Amer for politicial reasons and not for any love 😉...Similarly when Jalal yesterday asked Jodha if she is concerned about his life and so wanting him to leave Amer , Jodha too was quick to deny it and say she is instead worried about her own sister's marriage which can break if he continues to stay in Amer 😉... So I dont see what the hulaboo is about in forum as in this case both r in denial about their feelings because the truth is Jalal is in love with Jodha while Jodha too is concerned about Jalal's life but just dont want to confess it when asked directly .. simplee 😃...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I found the episode quite nice..It was good..I don't see any fault in it..and how can we guys expect her to care about a person whom she HATES the most..so I think it was fine..and Lets trust CVs and give them some time so that they could make JA slowly-slowy fall in love!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: jyoti06

Mansi interesting post 👍🏼...

Somewhere down the line I had similar thoughts like yours simply because instead of making my own assumptions , I want to see what the characters in the show r feeling ... When Jodha was being insensitive with her words towards Jalal , I felt bad and was pissed off at her ... but then I saw Jalal's reaction and I could sense that instead of feeling Bad , Jalal was actually thinking when Jodha commented about his loveless life and how he has to live in fear because he cannot trust even his own loved ones which is actually the truth .. Jalal's reaction clearly indicated that part of Jodha's words actually hits him hard since its a harsh reality ... At times u got to b a bit insensitive to make one realise what that person is lacking in his life and Jodha did exactly that reason why Jalal was not really pissed at Jodha but even more mesmerised with her brutal honesty 👍🏼... Also Jalal dint keep quiet there , he did reply back to her by saying how he has not choosen this life , but this life has choosen him and he had no option but to accept it .. So Jalal indirectly hinted to Jodha that he is not living this loveless life with his own wish either 👍🏼...

For me the above conversation was not about who is right and who is wrong , but it was more about Jalal and Jodha coming further close to each other in terms of understanding each other .. Jalal now knows about Jodha's brutal honest nature which he appreciates while Jodha now knows about Jalal's reasoning behind why he wants to stay back in Amer despite the attacks which she might not appreciate fully because of her various fears but at least she knows the reason behind it

Also I feel Jodha is in denial about Jalal just how Jalal was in denial earlier about Jodha .. I still remember when Ruqaiyya asked Jalal if he is falling for Jodha and so going to Amer , Jalal quickly said he is going to Amer for politicial reasons and not for any love 😉...Similarly when Jalal yesterday asked Jodha if she is concerned about his life and so wanting him to leave Amer , Jodha too was quick to deny it and say she is instead worried about her own sister's marriage which can break if he continues to stay in Amer 😉... So I dont see what the hulaboo is about in forum as in this case both r in denial about their feelings because the truth is Jalal is in love with Jodha while Jodha too is concerned about Jalal's life but just dont want to confess it when asked directly .. simplee 😃...

Jyoti, as you say, if we try to put ourselves in Jodha's shoes, remember how badly Jalal treated her and tana maro-ed her ... he has changed very recently, but she too has a right to be afraid that he may be continuing his old habit! In fact yesterday when she said those awful words she did not say them of her own accord. She first started telling him about the khataras that had happened since the Amer trip began. It was when he asked "Oh so does that mean you now care about what happens to me?" ... that is when she went back to the "family reasons" argument and it did sound very harsh. But if he had not baited her at that precise moment to reconfirm her caring for him, who knows if she would have said these words or not?
She was harsh and I cannot forgive the words, but we cannot forget the context either. He was extremely harsh on her before he started changing in her favour. Just because he has changed faster than her, how can she be expected to match his pace of change? She may need her own time as per her emotional needs which are bound to be different from his. Or she may be in denial and covering up.
If Jalal himself cannot see too much problem with her stance, I am not going to waste my energy feeling upset beyond a point. We cannot always hope for perfect heroes and heroines, they will have flaws, they will be up and down till they both reach a certain comfort level with each other. And we can even blame the Creatives but how can we blame Jodha? And worst of all, how can we blame Paridhi, the actress?
Somewhere the discourse has to be limited to the story we are watching, and it should not become an actor-bashing, is what I feel!
Edited by skanda12 - 11 years ago

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