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Posted: 11 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: skanda12

Does anyone have an explanation for Jalal's resilience and "unputdownability" as far as this up-and-down Jodha is concerned?


I have several:

1. Deviously dragging out the serial.
2. Lousy writing.
3. Poor psychological understanding and rendition.
4. Writers' hatred of Jodha Begum - where does this come from?
5. Jodha the perfect anti-Jalal sounding board and Jalal the perfectly-becoming-fool led by his lust.

I am not bothered much by this anymore. A little twinge now and then at the mess, and some pity for Sharma, Tokas, Chhaya Ali Khan, and the actress that plays Javeda, and that's it.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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@All:
To all those who have added comments on this thread so far, thanks for doing that and for sharing your views, your angst or even your distress at the way Jodha was portrayed yesterday as insensitive and mannerless.
I am fully able to understand where everyone is coming from.
The strangest part of it all for me was that despite the way Jodha was, this Jalal himself did not seem to be as affected as we all are by what she said, and he seems to have brushed it off his back rather quickly and now gone into Jodha-stalking mode. So should the Creatives be bashed not just for the way they have handled Jodha's character but also Jalal's?
There are a lot of questions about yesterday, but as always, I tend to try and see if there can be any positive mined out even from the most negative, so I am distressed, yes, but also not so thoroughly oppressed because:
a. I thought there was some good in Jodha telling Jalal that his lonely, loveless life also needs to be fixed (not the way she said it, but the point that was made)
b. Jalal himself seemed not to get too overly troubled by her words of insensitivity (he was momentarily hurt, yes, but beyond his disappointment in her, he seemed not to languish in the hurt)
c. In any relationship between two people, perhaps we should not expect two perfect people but we have to get used to two imperfect people. Just because its a love story of epic significance, where is it a given that she has to be the best mannered woman and he the most self-respecting of men. We like our story heroes and heroines to be the best people they can be, but we are at the mercy of the Creatives who can give us flawed people and flawed emotionalities if they wish. So I guess in my mind somewhere there is an upset feeling but also a resignation.
Just thought I'd share my feelings here and try to spread some positivity, in case it helps anyone else going through the same upset.
Edited by skanda12 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: skanda12

@All:

To all those who have added comments on this thread so far, thanks for doing that and for sharing your views, your angst or even your distress at the way Jodha was portrayed yesterday as insensitive and mannerless.
I am fully able to understand where everyone is coming from.
The strangest part of it all for me was that despite the way Jodha was, this Jalal himself did not seem to be as affected as we all are by what she said, and he seems to have brushed it off his back rather quickly and now gone into Jodha-stalking mode. So should the Creatives be bashed not just for the way they have handled Jodha's character but also Jalal's?
There are a lot of questions about yesterday, but as always, I tend to try and see if there can be any positive mined out even from the most negative, so I am distressed, yes, but also not so thoroughly oppressed because:
a. I thought there was some good in Jodha telling Jalal that his lonely, loveless life also needs to be fixed (not the way she said it, but the point that was made)
b. Jalal himself seemed not to get too overly troubled by her words of insensitivity (he was momentarily hurt, yes, but beyond his disappointment in her, he seemed not to languish in the hurt)
c. In any relationship between two people, perhaps we should not expect two perfect people but we have to get used to two imperfect people. Just because its a love story of epic significance, where is it a given that she has to be the best mannered woman and he the most self-respecting of men. We like our story heroes and heroines to be the best people they can be, but we are at the mercy of the Creatives who can give us flawed people and flawed emotionalities if they wish. So I guess in my mind somewhere there is an upset feeling but also a resignation.
Just thought I'd share my feelings here and try to spread some positivity, in case it helps anyone else going through the same upset.


like the posts.
Every body has right to have his/ her opinion and to express it. But in general I am surprised by 'it -should-be-my- way-and-no-other-way' reactions.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I kind of agree with you. But it is tiring to see Jodha speak so rudely with Jalal. I mean hatred has boundaries. Even I cannot imagine myself in Jodha's place and experience her hatred now which I could do earlier. She is turning into a cribbing begum who is demanding a lot of attention. It feels like she is turning into any other begum or bandi in the harem.
She is a Rajput and should have the dignity and attitude like that. Not behave like a rebelling teenager.
I am afraid this character is going to affect Paridhi's image in the telly world 😵
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Posted: 11 years ago
#25
mansi u look at things positively n find way to + 😳 wow... that's great...
Mayb im judging to early but after watching yday epi I am kind of given up ...If they go this way TRP will be effected in coming weeks, just a guess from my side
1. The is no drama thing coming on except elephant thing ... The rest maham-javeeda , hamida n all just adding up to the screen. Only thing adham +shariffudin combo is in front
2. For a romantic serial viewer like me, im not getting enough n its getting too bland. Even though this show was historical but there was something sparkling between the both Akhda but now its missing altogether... Mayb I should move on to another serial that can give me dose of romantic scenes but I fail to get into any of it since my fav show ended...
3. I understand serial there need to be up n downs, but as far as im concern now its the time the peak time for them to increase the TRP n make it big... after some time it will lead to a normal kind of Trps... at least now when they are liking each other, falling in love n after SR most serial takes a dip... I dunno how diff with JA be ...
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Posted: 11 years ago
#26

Originally posted by: skanda12


Just thought I'd share my feelings here and try to spread some positivity, in case it helps anyone else going through the same upset.


thank you for your effort 😊 but no, it didn't help 😭

some twinges of disappointment at the way the characters and story panned out, some annoyance at the wanton disregard of the actors - Sharma, Tokas, Chhaya Ali Khan, etc.

however after reading about kapoor and her shenanigans in this forum - thank you for the comments and information - i can only be surprised at my expectations. i am now suitably chastened and have lowered my expectations.

anyway there's champions league football going on now - messi scored a clever goal and dortmund won. life goes on.

cheers.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: riyya6

mansi u look at things positively n find way to + 😳 wow... that's great...

Mayb im judging to early but after watching yday epi I am kind of given up ...If they go this way TRP will be effected in coming weeks, just a guess from my side
1. The is no drama thing coming on except elephant thing ... The rest maham-javeeda , hamida n all just adding up to the screen. Only thing adham +shariffudin combo is in front
2. For a romantic serial viewer like me, im not getting enough n its getting too bland. Even though this show was historical but there was something sparkling between the both Akhda but now its missing altogether... Mayb I should move on to another serial that can give me dose of romantic scenes but I fail to get into any of it since my fav show ended...
3. I understand serial there need to be up n downs, but as far as im concern now its the time the peak time for them to increase the TRP n make it big... after some time it will lead to a normal kind of Trps... at least now when they are liking each other, falling in love n after SR most serial takes a dip... I dunno how diff with JA be ...


I really agree with you. I guess I'll just watch the only other serial I watch besides JA. I mean all the merrymaking and extreme bitterness...it is an antithesis. Too much dose of drama and irritating begums. Ruqs is shown as self obsessed but much better than Jodha
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Posted: 11 years ago
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once again a very good post , Mansi and to the point. today my points r slightly different. my take here will be in three parts, first Jodha, second Jalal and last both of them. here i m not taking anyone's side. but looking at both of them as he said yest " Destiny chooses it's players".

so abt Jodha. yes, while watching her first time yest, anybody can be upset that she is so insensitive or blunt. But there is one more thing. Only with him , she is like that. the Reason is why? Is she like that from her birth? if yes, then she should be like that with everybody, which she isn't. she is loving, caring, soft, fiery, proud, ethical , and a person who can be described as very pure and good soul. It's only with him, her fiery side comes out. even with MA or Ruku she is not that fiery or intolerant. then why with him?
like i said, for a girl who has always got lots of love, care and affection , who has led a complete protected life , whose dreams were totally different, everything crashed in a second. she had to sacrifice herself for her ppl to somebody she had come to hate coz of some incidents. we have seen her as selfless person, she was ready to give up Suryabhan's love (she didn't love him, but he loved her) for Sukanya. that means she is ready to sacrifice. and had it been somebody from Rajputs she would have accepted him. but it's Jalal, the man she hated to the core. the man who married her under false pretenses (in her eyes).
abt her yest's bluntness and insensitivity, i think it was only in her words. if she would have been insensitive, she wouldn't have been upset after he is attacked. she was worried for him , before Maina spoke abt Sukanya's marriage and requested her to talk to Jalal. even then she didn't at first spoke abt Amer, she just said abt attacks on him. but his question whether suddenly she started caring for him, changed her mind, as she took the question from him as his taunt. and by now she knows , if she starts her Amer Jaap, he gets irritated, so she did exactly that. and when he speaks abt his not trusting anybody, seeing enemy in even his close ones, for a second there was a shock on her face. she is loved all the time by everybody, till she got married, she never had to be suspicious of anybody, so this is all shocking for her. and with him she is always blunt, so she said it directly.

now let's see abt Jalal. A man who has lost his childhood in freas and cruelity from his own ppl, a man burdened with huge responsibilities at very tender age. he thinks everybody around him is only there coz he is Sheheshah, the ultimate power, and so they will be the benefitiories. and he is well aware of the fact that they r interested only in his power and wealth. he knows nobody loves him truly, and he is not expecting that.
but about Jodha, he has seen her caring and loving others. he had liked it first time he saw her. but he was shocked that she hates him without knowing him. so he made it his mission to teach her lesson. he insulted her , threatened her but all that coz what he really wanted from her was her attention and her care. (not saying love here , coz he still doesn't believe in love). but he is not getting that from her, rather her intolerance for him, her ignorance of him is something that hurts him.

he wants her care, he is Jealous when she cares for others, so he keeps hoping that she will be same with her. but then he forgets , the basic difference is there.

she cares for them,loves the ppl, she feels (not think) as her own, be it her amer ppl or Hameeda banu and Rahim. She has accepted them as her own. while he was always her enemy (at least by her POV), who is cruel and insensitive. so she is behaving the same with him. she cares for him, but only in her mind. the moment she sees him , her mind makes her take a step backwords, and plus his words r something , she always takes as something with hidden agenda. she just can't understand that he craves for her care. she understands her loneliness, but she doesn't think herself to be the one who can help him getting out of it.
and somewhere he is responsible for it. the way he keeps advertising , that he has no heart, the person like Jodha won't be able to connect with it. he himself has built the walls around him so that nobody can hurt him, but the walls r so thick, that he ends hurting himself more and more. and this is the situation, where nobody, (and really nobody) can help him. Not even Jodha.

he behaves very good with her, but his one taunt when she is with him, makes her forget all his good deeds. and it's not her fault. she is not yet connected with him . she goes back to her 'ghrina' shell with his one wrong word.

i know many will ask, why only Jalal should back off, why can't Jodha see him as a person. then the Fact is : IT WAS JALAL WHO WANTED JODHA IN HIS LIFE FOR WHATEVER REASONS AND NOT VICE VERSA.

She never wanted him so she will never try. it's him who have to open a small door in his life to let her see through it, and only then she will be able to connect with him. else they will always be like that , two banks of the river who can see eachother but can not come together.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sweet_diksha


once again a very good post , Mansi and to the point. today my points r slightly different. my take here will be in three parts, first Jodha, second Jalal and last both of them. here i m not taking anyone's side. but looking at both of them as he said yest " Destiny chooses it's players".

so abt Jodha. yes, while watching her first time yest, anybody can be upset that she is so insensitive or blunt. But there is one more thing. Only with him , she is like that. the Reason is why? Is she like that from her birth? if yes, then she should be like that with everybody, which she isn't. she is loving, caring, soft, fiery, proud, ethical , and a person who can be described as very pure and good soul. It's only with him, her fiery side comes out. even with MA or Ruku she is not that fiery or intolerant. then why with him?
like i said, for a girl who has always got lots of love, care and affection , who has led a complete protected life , whose dreams were totally different, everything crashed in a second. she had to sacrifice herself for her ppl to somebody she had come to hate coz of some incidents. we have seen her as selfless person, she was ready to give up Suryabhan's love (she didn't love him, but he loved her) for Sukanya. that means she is ready to sacrifice. and had it been somebody from Rajputs she would have accepted him. but it's Jalal, the man she hated to the core. the man who married her under false pretenses (in her eyes).
abt her yest's bluntness and insensitivity, i think it was only in her words. if she would have been insensitive, she wouldn't have been upset after he is attacked. she was worried for him , before Maina spoke abt Sukanya's marriage and requested her to talk to Jalal. even then she didn't at first spoke abt Amer, she just said abt attacks on him. but his question whether suddenly she started caring for him, changed her mind, as she took the question from him as his taunt. and by now she knows , if she starts her Amer Jaap, he gets irritated, so she did exactly that. and when he speaks abt his not trusting anybody, seeing enemy in even his close ones, for a second there was a shock on her face. she is loved all the time by everybody, till she got married, she never had to be suspicious of anybody, so this is all shocking for her. and with him she is always blunt, so she said it directly.

now let's see abt Jalal. A man who has lost his childhood in freas and cruelity from his own ppl, a man burdened with huge responsibilities at very tender age. he thinks everybody around him is only there coz he is Sheheshah, the ultimate power, and so they will be the benefitiories. and he is well aware of the fact that they r interested only in his power and wealth. he knows nobody loves him truly, and he is not expecting that.
but about Jodha, he has seen her caring and loving others. he had liked it first time he saw her. but he was shocked that she hates him without knowing him. so he made it his mission to teach her lesson. he insulted her , threatened her but all that coz what he really wanted from her was her attention and her care. (not saying love here , coz he still doesn't believe in love). but he is not getting that from her, rather her intolerance for him, her ignorance of him is something that hurts him.

he wants her care, he is Jealous when she cares for others, so he keeps hoping that she will be same with her. but then he forgets , the basic difference is there.

she cares for them,loves the ppl, she feels (not think) as her own, be it her amer ppl or Hameeda banu and Rahim. She has accepted them as her own. while he was always her enemy (at least by her POV), who is cruel and insensitive. so she is behaving the same with him. she cares for him, but only in her mind. the moment she sees him , her mind makes her take a step backwords, and plus his words r something , she always takes as something with hidden agenda. she just can't understand that he craves for her care. she understands her loneliness, but she doesn't think herself to be the one who can help him getting out of it.
and somewhere he is responsible for it. the way he keeps advertising , that he has no heart, the person like Jodha won't be able to connect with it. he himself has built the walls around him so that nobody can hurt him, but the walls r so thick, that he ends hurting himself more and more. and this is the situation, where nobody, (and really nobody) can help him. Not even Jodha.

he behaves very good with her, but his one taunt when she is with him, makes her forget all his good deeds. and it's not her fault. she is not yet connected with him . she goes back to her 'ghrina' shell with his one wrong word.

i know many will ask, why only Jalal should back off, why can't Jodha see him as a person. then the Fact is : IT WAS JALAL WHO WANTED JODHA IN HIS LIFE FOR WHATEVER REASONS AND NOT VICE VERSA.

She never wanted him so she will never try. it's him who have to open a small door in his life to let her see through it, and only then she will be able to connect with him. else they will always be like that , two banks of the river who can see eachother but can not come together.


Diksha, what a beautiful post you have written here - I wish everybody would read it just to see things from the other point of view! It is brilliant, because you have not just seen the situation from all angles but also given strong reasons why both of them are behaving this way with each other! I love this post Diksha!😳👍🏼
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sweet_diksha


once again a very good post , Mansi and to the point. today my points r slightly different. my take here will be in three parts, first Jodha, second Jalal and last both of them. here i m not taking anyone's side. but looking at both of them as he said yest " Destiny chooses it's players".

so abt Jodha. yes, while watching her first time yest, anybody can be upset that she is so insensitive or blunt. But there is one more thing. Only with him , she is like that. the Reason is why? Is she like that from her birth? if yes, then she should be like that with everybody, which she isn't. she is loving, caring, soft, fiery, proud, ethical , and a person who can be described as very pure and good soul. It's only with him, her fiery side comes out. even with MA or Ruku she is not that fiery or intolerant. then why with him?
like i said, for a girl who has always got lots of love, care and affection , who has led a complete protected life , whose dreams were totally different, everything crashed in a second. she had to sacrifice herself for her ppl to somebody she had come to hate coz of some incidents. we have seen her as selfless person, she was ready to give up Suryabhan's love (she didn't love him, but he loved her) for Sukanya. that means she is ready to sacrifice. and had it been somebody from Rajputs she would have accepted him. but it's Jalal, the man she hated to the core. the man who married her under false pretenses (in her eyes).
abt her yest's bluntness and insensitivity, i think it was only in her words. if she would have been insensitive, she wouldn't have been upset after he is attacked. she was worried for him , before Maina spoke abt Sukanya's marriage and requested her to talk to Jalal. even then she didn't at first spoke abt Amer, she just said abt attacks on him. but his question whether suddenly she started caring for him, changed her mind, as she took the question from him as his taunt. and by now she knows , if she starts her Amer Jaap, he gets irritated, so she did exactly that. and when he speaks abt his not trusting anybody, seeing enemy in even his close ones, for a second there was a shock on her face. she is loved all the time by everybody, till she got married, she never had to be suspicious of anybody, so this is all shocking for her. and with him she is always blunt, so she said it directly.

now let's see abt Jalal. A man who has lost his childhood in freas and cruelity from his own ppl, a man burdened with huge responsibilities at very tender age. he thinks everybody around him is only there coz he is Sheheshah, the ultimate power, and so they will be the benefitiories. and he is well aware of the fact that they r interested only in his power and wealth. he knows nobody loves him truly, and he is not expecting that.
but about Jodha, he has seen her caring and loving others. he had liked it first time he saw her. but he was shocked that she hates him without knowing him. so he made it his mission to teach her lesson. he insulted her , threatened her but all that coz what he really wanted from her was her attention and her care. (not saying love here , coz he still doesn't believe in love). but he is not getting that from her, rather her intolerance for him, her ignorance of him is something that hurts him.

he wants her care, he is Jealous when she cares for others, so he keeps hoping that she will be same with her. but then he forgets , the basic difference is there.

she cares for them,loves the ppl, she feels (not think) as her own, be it her amer ppl or Hameeda banu and Rahim. She has accepted them as her own. while he was always her enemy (at least by her POV), who is cruel and insensitive. so she is behaving the same with him. she cares for him, but only in her mind. the moment she sees him , her mind makes her take a step backwords, and plus his words r something , she always takes as something with hidden agenda. she just can't understand that he craves for her care. she understands her loneliness, but she doesn't think herself to be the one who can help him getting out of it.
and somewhere he is responsible for it. the way he keeps advertising , that he has no heart, the person like Jodha won't be able to connect with it. he himself has built the walls around him so that nobody can hurt him, but the walls r so thick, that he ends hurting himself more and more. and this is the situation, where nobody, (and really nobody) can help him. Not even Jodha.

he behaves very good with her, but his one taunt when she is with him, makes her forget all his good deeds. and it's not her fault. she is not yet connected with him . she goes back to her 'ghrina' shell with his one wrong word.

i know many will ask, why only Jalal should back off, why can't Jodha see him as a person. then the Fact is : IT WAS JALAL WHO WANTED JODHA IN HIS LIFE FOR WHATEVER REASONS AND NOT VICE VERSA.

She never wanted him so she will never try. it's him who have to open a small door in his life to let her see through it, and only then she will be able to connect with him. else they will always be like that , two banks of the river who can see eachother but can not come together.



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