Originally posted by: skanda12
Does anyone have an explanation for Jalal's resilience and "unputdownability" as far as this up-and-down Jodha is concerned?
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Originally posted by: skanda12
Does anyone have an explanation for Jalal's resilience and "unputdownability" as far as this up-and-down Jodha is concerned?
Originally posted by: skanda12
@All:
To all those who have added comments on this thread so far, thanks for doing that and for sharing your views, your angst or even your distress at the way Jodha was portrayed yesterday as insensitive and mannerless.I am fully able to understand where everyone is coming from.The strangest part of it all for me was that despite the way Jodha was, this Jalal himself did not seem to be as affected as we all are by what she said, and he seems to have brushed it off his back rather quickly and now gone into Jodha-stalking mode. So should the Creatives be bashed not just for the way they have handled Jodha's character but also Jalal's?There are a lot of questions about yesterday, but as always, I tend to try and see if there can be any positive mined out even from the most negative, so I am distressed, yes, but also not so thoroughly oppressed because:a. I thought there was some good in Jodha telling Jalal that his lonely, loveless life also needs to be fixed (not the way she said it, but the point that was made)b. Jalal himself seemed not to get too overly troubled by her words of insensitivity (he was momentarily hurt, yes, but beyond his disappointment in her, he seemed not to languish in the hurt)c. In any relationship between two people, perhaps we should not expect two perfect people but we have to get used to two imperfect people. Just because its a love story of epic significance, where is it a given that she has to be the best mannered woman and he the most self-respecting of men. We like our story heroes and heroines to be the best people they can be, but we are at the mercy of the Creatives who can give us flawed people and flawed emotionalities if they wish. So I guess in my mind somewhere there is an upset feeling but also a resignation.Just thought I'd share my feelings here and try to spread some positivity, in case it helps anyone else going through the same upset.
Originally posted by: skanda12
Just thought I'd share my feelings here and try to spread some positivity, in case it helps anyone else going through the same upset.
mansi u look at things positively n find way to + 😳 wow... that's great...
Mayb im judging to early but after watching yday epi I am kind of given up ...If they go this way TRP will be effected in coming weeks, just a guess from my side1. The is no drama thing coming on except elephant thing ... The rest maham-javeeda , hamida n all just adding up to the screen. Only thing adham +shariffudin combo is in front2. For a romantic serial viewer like me, im not getting enough n its getting too bland. Even though this show was historical but there was something sparkling between the both Akhda but now its missing altogether... Mayb I should move on to another serial that can give me dose of romantic scenes but I fail to get into any of it since my fav show ended...3. I understand serial there need to be up n downs, but as far as im concern now its the time the peak time for them to increase the TRP n make it big... after some time it will lead to a normal kind of Trps... at least now when they are liking each other, falling in love n after SR most serial takes a dip... I dunno how diff with JA be ...
Originally posted by: sweet_diksha
once again a very good post , Mansi and to the point. today my points r slightly different. my take here will be in three parts, first Jodha, second Jalal and last both of them. here i m not taking anyone's side. but looking at both of them as he said yest " Destiny chooses it's players".
so abt Jodha. yes, while watching her first time yest, anybody can be upset that she is so insensitive or blunt. But there is one more thing. Only with him , she is like that. the Reason is why? Is she like that from her birth? if yes, then she should be like that with everybody, which she isn't. she is loving, caring, soft, fiery, proud, ethical , and a person who can be described as very pure and good soul. It's only with him, her fiery side comes out. even with MA or Ruku she is not that fiery or intolerant. then why with him?
like i said, for a girl who has always got lots of love, care and affection , who has led a complete protected life , whose dreams were totally different, everything crashed in a second. she had to sacrifice herself for her ppl to somebody she had come to hate coz of some incidents. we have seen her as selfless person, she was ready to give up Suryabhan's love (she didn't love him, but he loved her) for Sukanya. that means she is ready to sacrifice. and had it been somebody from Rajputs she would have accepted him. but it's Jalal, the man she hated to the core. the man who married her under false pretenses (in her eyes).
abt her yest's bluntness and insensitivity, i think it was only in her words. if she would have been insensitive, she wouldn't have been upset after he is attacked. she was worried for him , before Maina spoke abt Sukanya's marriage and requested her to talk to Jalal. even then she didn't at first spoke abt Amer, she just said abt attacks on him. but his question whether suddenly she started caring for him, changed her mind, as she took the question from him as his taunt. and by now she knows , if she starts her Amer Jaap, he gets irritated, so she did exactly that. and when he speaks abt his not trusting anybody, seeing enemy in even his close ones, for a second there was a shock on her face. she is loved all the time by everybody, till she got married, she never had to be suspicious of anybody, so this is all shocking for her. and with him she is always blunt, so she said it directly.
now let's see abt Jalal. A man who has lost his childhood in freas and cruelity from his own ppl, a man burdened with huge responsibilities at very tender age. he thinks everybody around him is only there coz he is Sheheshah, the ultimate power, and so they will be the benefitiories. and he is well aware of the fact that they r interested only in his power and wealth. he knows nobody loves him truly, and he is not expecting that.
but about Jodha, he has seen her caring and loving others. he had liked it first time he saw her. but he was shocked that she hates him without knowing him. so he made it his mission to teach her lesson. he insulted her , threatened her but all that coz what he really wanted from her was her attention and her care. (not saying love here , coz he still doesn't believe in love). but he is not getting that from her, rather her intolerance for him, her ignorance of him is something that hurts him.
he wants her care, he is Jealous when she cares for others, so he keeps hoping that she will be same with her. but then he forgets , the basic difference is there.
she cares for them,loves the ppl, she feels (not think) as her own, be it her amer ppl or Hameeda banu and Rahim. She has accepted them as her own. while he was always her enemy (at least by her POV), who is cruel and insensitive. so she is behaving the same with him. she cares for him, but only in her mind. the moment she sees him , her mind makes her take a step backwords, and plus his words r something , she always takes as something with hidden agenda. she just can't understand that he craves for her care. she understands her loneliness, but she doesn't think herself to be the one who can help him getting out of it.
and somewhere he is responsible for it. the way he keeps advertising , that he has no heart, the person like Jodha won't be able to connect with it. he himself has built the walls around him so that nobody can hurt him, but the walls r so thick, that he ends hurting himself more and more. and this is the situation, where nobody, (and really nobody) can help him. Not even Jodha.
he behaves very good with her, but his one taunt when she is with him, makes her forget all his good deeds. and it's not her fault. she is not yet connected with him . she goes back to her 'ghrina' shell with his one wrong word.
i know many will ask, why only Jalal should back off, why can't Jodha see him as a person. then the Fact is : IT WAS JALAL WHO WANTED JODHA IN HIS LIFE FOR WHATEVER REASONS AND NOT VICE VERSA.
She never wanted him so she will never try. it's him who have to open a small door in his life to let her see through it, and only then she will be able to connect with him. else they will always be like that , two banks of the river who can see eachother but can not come together.
Originally posted by: sweet_diksha
once again a very good post , Mansi and to the point. today my points r slightly different. my take here will be in three parts, first Jodha, second Jalal and last both of them. here i m not taking anyone's side. but looking at both of them as he said yest " Destiny chooses it's players".
so abt Jodha. yes, while watching her first time yest, anybody can be upset that she is so insensitive or blunt. But there is one more thing. Only with him , she is like that. the Reason is why? Is she like that from her birth? if yes, then she should be like that with everybody, which she isn't. she is loving, caring, soft, fiery, proud, ethical , and a person who can be described as very pure and good soul. It's only with him, her fiery side comes out. even with MA or Ruku she is not that fiery or intolerant. then why with him?
like i said, for a girl who has always got lots of love, care and affection , who has led a complete protected life , whose dreams were totally different, everything crashed in a second. she had to sacrifice herself for her ppl to somebody she had come to hate coz of some incidents. we have seen her as selfless person, she was ready to give up Suryabhan's love (she didn't love him, but he loved her) for Sukanya. that means she is ready to sacrifice. and had it been somebody from Rajputs she would have accepted him. but it's Jalal, the man she hated to the core. the man who married her under false pretenses (in her eyes).
abt her yest's bluntness and insensitivity, i think it was only in her words. if she would have been insensitive, she wouldn't have been upset after he is attacked. she was worried for him , before Maina spoke abt Sukanya's marriage and requested her to talk to Jalal. even then she didn't at first spoke abt Amer, she just said abt attacks on him. but his question whether suddenly she started caring for him, changed her mind, as she took the question from him as his taunt. and by now she knows , if she starts her Amer Jaap, he gets irritated, so she did exactly that. and when he speaks abt his not trusting anybody, seeing enemy in even his close ones, for a second there was a shock on her face. she is loved all the time by everybody, till she got married, she never had to be suspicious of anybody, so this is all shocking for her. and with him she is always blunt, so she said it directly.
now let's see abt Jalal. A man who has lost his childhood in freas and cruelity from his own ppl, a man burdened with huge responsibilities at very tender age. he thinks everybody around him is only there coz he is Sheheshah, the ultimate power, and so they will be the benefitiories. and he is well aware of the fact that they r interested only in his power and wealth. he knows nobody loves him truly, and he is not expecting that.
but about Jodha, he has seen her caring and loving others. he had liked it first time he saw her. but he was shocked that she hates him without knowing him. so he made it his mission to teach her lesson. he insulted her , threatened her but all that coz what he really wanted from her was her attention and her care. (not saying love here , coz he still doesn't believe in love). but he is not getting that from her, rather her intolerance for him, her ignorance of him is something that hurts him.
he wants her care, he is Jealous when she cares for others, so he keeps hoping that she will be same with her. but then he forgets , the basic difference is there.
she cares for them,loves the ppl, she feels (not think) as her own, be it her amer ppl or Hameeda banu and Rahim. She has accepted them as her own. while he was always her enemy (at least by her POV), who is cruel and insensitive. so she is behaving the same with him. she cares for him, but only in her mind. the moment she sees him , her mind makes her take a step backwords, and plus his words r something , she always takes as something with hidden agenda. she just can't understand that he craves for her care. she understands her loneliness, but she doesn't think herself to be the one who can help him getting out of it.
and somewhere he is responsible for it. the way he keeps advertising , that he has no heart, the person like Jodha won't be able to connect with it. he himself has built the walls around him so that nobody can hurt him, but the walls r so thick, that he ends hurting himself more and more. and this is the situation, where nobody, (and really nobody) can help him. Not even Jodha.
he behaves very good with her, but his one taunt when she is with him, makes her forget all his good deeds. and it's not her fault. she is not yet connected with him . she goes back to her 'ghrina' shell with his one wrong word.
i know many will ask, why only Jalal should back off, why can't Jodha see him as a person. then the Fact is : IT WAS JALAL WHO WANTED JODHA IN HIS LIFE FOR WHATEVER REASONS AND NOT VICE VERSA.
She never wanted him so she will never try. it's him who have to open a small door in his life to let her see through it, and only then she will be able to connect with him. else they will always be like that , two banks of the river who can see eachother but can not come together.
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