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Posted: 12 years ago
#71
Of course I meant Ranbir, my sweet, and the fact that I made that unintentional bloomer shows that I am tired of too much of typing, and should pack up for the day. See what I wrote to Ela above, if I do not look sharp, I will be back where I was last week!

Never regret being emotional, it is a great gift, but cherish it and use it wisely. Thus spake the Obi wan Kenobi of this forum!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: lashy

Aunty I genuinely hope you meant Ranbir Kapoor and not Randhir Kapoor...unintentionally (if that's what it was) you've made me literally fall of my chair laughing...

You're right...I'm neither here nor there...I want Romance and action and war and politics and romance...🤣 not many-a-person who can keep up with my tastes!

Oh! How I wish I was as optimistic as Vicky...it'd be so much easier to sit back and enjoy the joy-ride and then get off when you feel its enough I'm a bit of a silly emotional fool...(glimpses of which you must have observed when you threatened to leave us)

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Yes, Shraddha dear, but one also needs to be like the traditional medicines my grandmother used to dose us with after the excess of Deepavali sweets, an antidote for the overdose of treacle flooding the forum. And when you have loyal readers aplenty, they have to be shown the other point of view as well. If you are reluctant to do that, you might as well do what I was planning to do, leave for good and at least save some time, not stick around only to sing hosannas to the lead pair!

Besides, what will be different then between your analysis or mine, and say Vicki's, if you and I were also to focus only on the positive angles? She writes lovely, deeply emotional stuff under any and all circumstances, which is admirable, but it is not my style.

Moreover, I am not here only for Jalal and Jodha; if that was so, I would have quit weeks ago after seeing this Jodha in action!

As it is, if Vicki is like Shahrukh Khan, I would like to think that I am like Aamir Khan, not to everyone's taste at all times, but the thinking man's actor. I am still trying to figure out whom you are like, probably Ranbir Kapoor, who straddles the divide between Shahrukh and Aamir!

Vicki, if you ever happen to read this, the comparison to Shahrukh is of course a huge compliment, not that it needed to be spelt out!

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 12 years ago
#72
What was what? Obi wan Kenobi? Have you never seen the original 3 Star Wars movies? There must have been a zillion repeats on TV and they are all cult classics.

He is the wise old Yogi who is the tutor to Luke Shywalker and the fount of all wisdom in the Star Wars Trilogy. Oh Lord, I am beginning to feel my age!😉

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: lashy

Eh? What was that aunty? ^^^^

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Thank you, my dear Sara, here speaks the voice of reason!

But you know, if Ekta were to trawl this forum she is likely to conclude that what she is dishing out now is exactly what the audience wants. Not that the IF can do much to influence the TRPs, but still.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: sara5471

I guess Ekata Kapoor is right now just rejoicing in the high TRPs. Firstly the show was lagging behind. Then when things started sizzling up the TRPs shot up. It is because of Rajat and Paridhi, who are doing a commendable work.

All the excellently shot scenes and the dialogues have now started going outside the window. I guess Ekta Kapoor is mostly hurrying to start the romance track which will obviously garner a lot of views. I hope and pray that she does not do so. Because then all the hard work that brought the show to the position it is now on, will go waste.
Viewers want romance but they also want some sense in it. I hope she realises it before time.
And I really want Jodha to stop being so rude to Jalal.

P.S excellent post 👍🏼

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

What was what? Obi wan Kenobi? Have you never seen the original 3 Star Wars movies? There must have been a zillion repeats on TV and they are all cult classics.

He is the wise old Yogi who is the tutor to Luke Shywalker and the fount of all wisdom in the Star Wars Trilogy. Oh Lord, I am beginning to feel my age!😉

Shyamala Aunty


There was no Obi Wan Kenobi bit when I read it first...😛

Anyway, I showed lovely Vicky our analogies on SRK, AK, RK...she seems to be pretty happy to be SRK😳 ...I've no qualms about RK either...😛


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Posted: 12 years ago
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😆 Thank you so much aunts⭐️
I really needed the laugh this morning😃
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Thank you, my dear Sara, here speaks the voice of reason!

But you know, if Ekta were to trawl this forum she is likely to conclude that what she is dishing out now is exactly what the audience wants. Not that the IF can do much to influence the TRPs, but still.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Thanks ma'am!
I loved the episode myself. But then it was just me looking at the episode through rose tinted glasses. I mean Jalal moving around without bodyguards and brushing off arrows with his hands like they were flies defy logic. I did't either understand where Jodha wanted to go when she got up in the boat. There were only two places to go. One next to Jalal and second, right in the water.
I don't mean to criticize. I would always love and watch the show regardless of which direction it goes
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Posted: 12 years ago
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A Brainy lot of Questions there Aunty, let me try to Answer them\/ \/

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Folks,

This one is going to be -now don't start laughing already! - really short. It is more of a venting of exasperation than an analysis.

Let me therefore just put it down as a series of questions, and you can then amuse yourselves thinking up the answers. That is to say, after about 98% of you have recovered from the roseate haze induced by the boat ride, which should be by tomorrow morning. 😉 The PMs can thus wait till then.

Q1) It is all very nice to educate the viewers in the complexities of Mughal-Rajput animosities, and I was duly moved by the noble sentiments in the invitation sent by the Rajmata of Amer to Maharani Jaiwantibai of Mewar. But apart from the fact that the Rajvanshis shown confabulating with Kunwar (not Rana) Pratap looked like a bunch of extras from a gangster film togged out in royal attire, there was another major problem with this segment

What about the invitation to Pratap's estranged father, the Maharana of Mewar, Udai Singh? It was to him, as the head of the Sisodias of Mewar, that the invitation would have been addressed, not to Pratap, who was not even the Yuvraj. It would have been unthinkable in terms of royal protocol.

The CVs seem to have forgotten all about Maharana Udai Singh, but when Akbar laid siege to Chttor in 1568, it was still Maharana Udai Singh who was on the throne. He moved to Udaipur, which he founded as his new capital, and left Jaimal and Patta to defend Chittor. Chittor fell after a prolonged siege, enraging Akbar so much that he had all the defenders killed and their heads stuck on the battlements, as per the charming custom of those days, whether it was Henry VIII sticking Sir Thomas More's head on the Tower of London, orAkbar doing the same with these Rajput heads at Chittor.

Udai Singh also stood firm against the Afghans first and then the Mughals, so this premature emphasis on Kunwar Pratap seems odd, to say the least.

Uhh. I didn't knew that!!! But I think Partab's invitation was different. By That I mean that they already sent an invitation to Mewar [I think I heard that in one of Bhaarmal's To-do-list-checking conversation] and they were sending one escpecially for Pratab inviting him, knowing how much rivalry he holds for them.
And Second reason could be, I don't much about Mewar's History[Because I do not LIKE Partab in anyway, I found his values and thinking🤢 ] He was shown somewhere far off the Palace everytime maybe he is in his excile [I don't know when that was excatly I am just guessing] and roaming here and there.
My theory is Mewar got Invitation already, They sent another escpecially for Mewar.
Joke: Partab was shown getting Invitation both from the Bride and Groom side, His expression mentioning that fact was like "From Which side I am? Bride's or Groom's??"

Q2) Why is it that Jodha is not even thinking of throwing out any of the Kabul ke zevarat ? Should they not remind her of the Devi Maa's jewellery the Mughal raiders looted from the temple? 😉

Not only does she not do that, but she does not burn the Dhaka mulmul either, inconsistent wench that she is. In fact, she seems quite in ecstasies over her Ammijaan's largesse for Sukanya.

Oh Thank Goodness she didn't did those sick act of hers, I would be so irritated on her behaviour. Don't ask. Looks like Kanha Jee is finally iving her some sense


Q3) Why the Shahenshah's chief minister is shown to be such an incompetent that, with a large military contingent at hand, he suggests that his emperor go for a boat ride on a lake in hostile territory, a sitting duck for any attacker, without first securing the perimeter of the lake? In his place, having handled such visits as an Ambassador, even if it was not in hostile territory, that is the first thing I would have done.

Ohhh😕 Was it like that. Wasn't it shown that Jalal wanted to go on a Boat ride???

Q4) How many times is Jalal to cut his hand - not to speak of worse - in order to promote his shaky romance with the Amer ki Mirchi? At this rate, he will fade away from sheer blood loss😉. This is the third time, and it is getting to be so hackneyed. Can't they think of something a bit more intelligent for a change? How the devil did he cut it this time anyway? His hand was quite saaboot when he got into the boat.

It is a good thing for him that the water must have been pure in those days. If it was today, he would die of chemical poisoning, possibly from mercury,as in the Minamoto affair in Japan.
That couldn't be explained, How everytime he has a cut???


Q5) What was it with the pathetic standards of marksmanship among the tribal warriors? The arrows fell in showers, reminding one of the Yuddha Kanda in the Ramayana, and if they had been even halfway proficient, our nascent lovers should both have been reduced to pincushions. At this rate, the tribals must be starving in the jungle!😉The latter was was idiotic. Jodha stood up in frustration without knowing she is in a boat and then the attck of Tribals. The Boat man was killed but Jalal and Jodha weren't this was the biggest Blooper, I must say and they they were saving themselves, I was literally laughing. And Jodha had most part exposed at first then Jalal covered up a bit.Phewww

Q6) How on earth does Jalal propose to save our Amer ki Mirchi? At the moment, she seemed to be in front and more exposed, for all his bravado of letting nothing happen to her. The only option would be for him to dive under the boat with her, and use the inverted boat as a shield.But then her regalia, when wet, would be heavy enough to sink them both.😉 There was no precap, so one could not make out what happen.

The whole boat ride scene was contrived in the extreme, farce with a capital F. Not that I think anyone cares!God knows how much more of this corny stuff is going to be unloaded on us in Amer. After a while, even Jalal's mischievous, dancing eyes will begin to pall; one can have too much of a good thing, especially when the object of all his badinage and flirtatiousness continues to look as if she has been attacked by a swarm of bees!

What had me in splits was the idea of Mahaam Anga singing a lori.😉

Don't mind me, folks, I am already out of sorts, seeing all my fears, voiced in my last 2 posts,about the likely graph of the Jalal-Jodha love story apparently coming true. Carry on with the joyfest over the Akdha/Parijat prem katha. I am sure Jalal will cut another limb tomorrow, and Jodha will be stabbed by the assassin the day after. Phir kya, yeh prem katha toh chalegi nahin, daudegi!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

😆😆😆Last Line !!
But I liked thier scarstic Bickering during the Boat Ride. Jodha all" Kitni Vichtr baaton me anand aata hai Inhe, Itni Ratri ho gayi hai aur inhe naukavihar karna hai" Jalal, though he listened , "Kuch kaha aapne Jodha Begum?" and came her retort "Kuch Kaha bhi hoga to kya fark padhta hai? aapne hat ke saamne aapko kisi aur ki baat sunayi kaha deti hai?" Then Bechara Jalal was left ,with a confused and puzzled face, behind
And then the Epic fall😳 Did you saw Jalal's smrik when Jodha was clutching on him?? Rajat is Fab!! And Pari was looking very beautiful.
After they adjusted themselves on the Boat, Jalal gazing at her😳 when their eyes met Jalal "Aaapki Daasi keh rahi thi aapko nao me sai karna accha lagta hai" Jodha " Anand aata hai ya Dand yeh kiske saath hai uspe nirbhar karta hai" Jalal's Awesom Dialogue then, which I lied to the core "Aapse toh behes hi nahi ki jaa sakti hai" and then Jodha's Awesom Dialogue " Yahi toh Samasya hai Shehen Shah, Aap Baate nahi keval vivaad karna jante hai" And then Jalal held his gaze with bursting eyes for a second or two then turned and shaked his head. He must be murmuring "Women!"
After that Jodha notices the CUT on his hand, and bends over to the side only to be jerked back by Jalal who mischievously grins "Sambhal ke Jodha Begum, agar aap gir jayengi toh loo ko lage ka ki yeh hamari Saazish hai"
She glares at him, turns his hand wit that cut, to which he looks at chock and then ORDERS him "Aap shaanti se baithe rahiye" The look on Jalal's face is watchable. A man who never listens to anyone's order is bieng ordered by his Begum!!!😆😆
And the rest that Follows...


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Yes, Suchi, but surely a modicum of intelligence would not come in amiss?And a tad less of juvenile peevishness?

Jodha is now exactly like Asha Parekh in the 1965 Teesri Manzil. When she gets up suddenly, if there had been any justice in the world of soaps, she should have fallen into the water. Earlier, when he asks pleasantly whether she likes boat rides, what is it with her reply? It is insolent and ungracious, and for that one moment, his smile fades.

None of Maharana Udai Singh's ranis would have ever dared say any such thing to him, and that is why Maharana Pratap is much more realistic than this puerile concoction.

There is a lot of space between a goody two shoes, and this self-righteous,impertinent, humourless, ill-mannered young woman, and this should not be forgotten. It does not have to be one or the other.

This Jodha, Suchi, is not my idea of any kind of princess, and if it goes on, as it will, neither will it be yours by the end of the week.At least, so I would hope!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

I am grateful for such moral support!

But see,Anu, the part @ blue is really my problem. We are lowering our expectations and settling for these Asha Parekh-Shammi Kapoor style 1960s 'romance' (you might at least have seen some of those on TV!). Soon, as the TRPs rise because this is what the brute majority understands and likes, this will become a descending spiral as things get worse, though I cannot immediately guess how.

Where has the elegance and intelligence of the fencing duel or even the aarti thali scene gone? And why is their idea of romance limited to juvenile physical contacts? Do see my response to Alakh above, on the likely real thoughts of Jalal and Jodha during that closing clinch!

Soon, even Jalal's wicked flirtatiousness will begin to pall, no matter how much his eyes dance with ill suppressed mischief, as she continues to look as it the bees have been at her.😉

Shyamala

Quality has definitely deteriorated, All of us were yearning for closure on the Jungle scene...and several other minor details...
1. Details of the good news that Jalal came to share with Jodha before she harped on him packing her off to Amer.
2.Whatever happened to the vase se broke...I would've like it if he had even glanced at the broken places that supposedly sits in his chamber.
The episodes starting after the dargah scene seemed directed by someone else...Am hoping the creative director is on vacation and someone else filled in. Otherwise s if its the TRP game its just sad..
I absolutely agree that they can show poignant scenes without physical contact, something that drew us here in the first place..Am seeing posts that AkDha are gonna be stuck in the jungle. Lets see if they can bring the magic back without more falls/catches.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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"I am sure Jalal will cut another limb tomorrow, and Jodha will be stabbed by the assassin the day after. Phir kya, yeh prem katha toh chalegi nahin, daudegi!"

Aunty 🤣 !!!!!!!!

He surely will! I am certain 😆

Thank you for the wonderful analysis. I can see you having a very difficult time with their 'romance' in future and please feel my tight hug! 🤗

Atgah Sahab is not a good minister..sorry to say. Where were the sainiks during arrow showers? A tukdi was supposed to go with the Shahenshah, right? Did the tukdi take out time to go off boating in another lake too... ?

Yes, a cut here and there and everywhere, in hopes of Jodha touching Jalal or vice versa, is again one of the few tricks out of Ekta's old bag. This will be repeated many times over I guess. I am not against romance or such light-hearted rosy scenes but repetition will bore me to death and that shouldn't happen to any viewer!
At least give a reason how he got hurt in the first place..? Oh nevermind, that would have eaten more reel time.

All in all, it was a fine episode with epic historical distortions.

Love you aunty and thank you so much for being here 😊🤗

P.S. Don't know if you noticed in the boatride scene, Rajat looked quite younger than Paridhi, which he actually is, without the kajal. That looked a bit odd to me. 🤔


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