Why does Hamida love Jodha so much? - Page 8

Jalal has serious Ammi issues 🤣!!

Originally posted by: jyoti06

Mansi very interesting take 👏👏

I feel there r few reasons why Hamida has this blind faith on Jodha ..

First she does feel Rajputs r lucky mascot types because a Rajput only gave her shelter in times of crisis because of which they hv survived that time and also since the time Jodha came in Jalal's life , there has been a positive change in Jalal's decision making ... So Hamida feels Rajputs r more like shubh shagun for her and since Jodha is a rajput , so those extra emotions for her as she has blind faither that Rajputs will always remain loyal and can never go wrong or harm anyone ..

Second Hamida feels because Jodha is totally opposite in nature , so she can bring out a positive change in Jalal and make him realise he has a heart too ... All his other begums r more like his ghulam who will do whatever Jalal will order to please him including Ruqaiyya but Jodha does not fall in that category and so Hamida hopes she can transform her heartless son ...

Third Hamida believes only if Jalal starts loving one of his begum , he can become a father because without love ,. even God wont give any child to Jalal and in this case Hamida feels Jodha is the perfect candidate with whom Jalal can fall in love since she will not b one of those ghulam like begums of Jalal who will sit quietly in harem waiting for shehenshah but she will instead make the shehenshah wait for her approval which will eventually make the difference in Jalal's way of thinking about women 😉..So in short Hamida again expects Jodha only can give waaris to this family in the end ...


Fourth Hamida also expects Jodha to get Jalal out of Maham's clurches and bring him close to her real mother ... I know Hamida never verbally expressed her displeasure over how Jalal is more close to Maham than her but on many occasions she did tell Jodha that Jalal is like this because he was brought up by Maham unfortunately ... So Hamida indirectly hinted her displeasure over this and mayb she hopes that Jalal can bring mother-son close and get this Maham away from Jalal ka life since Maham has been a negative influence in Jalal's life in terms of his thought process 🤔...

I guess these r the reasons why Hamida has such blind faith on Jodha because right from start Hamida saw that Jodha never faked anything .. she is quite truthful about her feelings and she is only one in harem who has courage to actually speak about the negatives of Jalal and one who is well aware about a person's negatives can very well make that person realise about his negatives too ... So Hamida expects Jodha to trasform Jalal into a man with a heart 😳

Originally posted by: stuti123

also one reason i can think of is .dat hamida knows that jodha is very different from all the other begums ...neither is she interested in harem politics nor in gaining the superior postion in harem...all these things dont matter to her ...even when rukiya 's pregnancy news came ..many of the begums were burning with jealosy..on the other hand jodha was soo happy on hearing the news..she never wishes or thinks ill of others ..its mostly her nature dat sets her apart the other begums nd that can a very important reason y she is hamida's favourite

Dear Mansi (and Tripti and Jyothi as well),

This is a very important and pertinent question, and all the objections and puzzling elements have been covered and cogently analysed by Mansi.

No one on this thread has really been able to answer Mansi's main question to my satisfaction. I do not know about Mansi's.

Even allowing for all the standard issue reasons, the main one being that Hamida Banu sees Jodha as the winning competitor in the treasure hunt for Jalal's dil , they do not add up to a valid and credible justification for the way in which she carries on vis a vis Jodha. Monday was still ok, Tuesday was unbelievable.

I always found it bizarre that right from the beginning, Hamida discusses her son in such a negative manner with his new begum , thus lowering him even further in Jodha's eyes. Yes, she does try and qualify her criticism of Jalal by citing extenuating circumstances, but the overall approach is invariably negative. How does Hamida think that she is helping bring them together by cribbing non stop about Jalal to Jodha?

She does not like Ruqaiya, who obviously despises her as weak and of no account in the power stakes. Fair enough.

But she does nothing to make sure that Jodha, who is obviously most unpromising begum material, is also taught to compromise, adjust, be polite and accommodating to Jalal and so on, so that she gets somewhere with him.

Any sensible woman out to bring her estranged son and this new wife of his together would have worked on both of them, to smoothen the rough edges of both. A successful interlocutor has to have credibility with both the warring parties. No on can accuse Hamida Banu of being impartial between Jalal and Jodha.

Instead, all that Hamida does is to puff Jodha even more in her self-esteem,which is one of the contributory causes for the present disaster. At one point, she tells Jodha that she can do no wrong. A worse certificate to an already sanctimonious and preachy young woman could hardly have been thought of.

She does nothing to educate this small town girl in what it means to rule an empire and about what Jalal means to his subjects. Jodha seems to treat Jalal most of the time with open defiance and hostility. What does Hamida do to tackle this bent of mind? Nothing.

That she feels her son is in the wrong means nothing; if she wants to bring them together, she has to get some hold on Jalal as well. This cannot be obtained by constantly siding with Jodha.

Lastly, Mansi, I too was startled by Hamida's priorities on Tuesday, as Jalal lies on what is presumed to be his death bed.

The only explanation I can think of is that Hamida's love for her son is a theoretical construct, not one from the heart. Maybe his passing would also have been only a theoretical loss, not a gut wrenching, corrosive grief.

Whereas, her sudden obsession with this Rajput girl is a real passion, into which she pours all the reserves of her maternal feelings in which her son is not interested, for he still resents what she did to him as a child.

Jodha, on the other hand, laps it all up eagerly and, like Oliver Twist, is always asking for more from her Ammijaan. Which, in turn, is manna from Heaven for Hamida, who finally has found someone for whom she is all important, and who loves, respects and obeys her.

That she does not use this obedience to good effect to drill some sense into Jodha is another matter altogether.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

In real life, Jodha would have been shrewd and cunning to rise as akbar's fav😉

Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais

You know, somewhere I feel that this Jalal knows , deep within him, the true nature of his Badi Ammi. I don't think the fact that she can be so dangerous to him. But something in his expressions at time, makes me wonder that he knows..

He definitely knows about her naamurad son!! In time he will know about his Badi Khaas Badi Ammi too.

Originally posted by: lashy

Its still early days to draw parallels between Jalal's and Hameeda's obsession over Jodha..

The truth is that Jalal's obsession over Jodha (as depicted in the serial) was more to tame her. He was a man who loved challenges and she was his biggest challenge. Him making her cook, sing and all those other things was to test her patience to see how she'd react and him deriving pleasure out of those reactions.

Through the course of time he mellowed no doubt ..but the reason he got married to her was not because he knew she'd care...he was attracted no doubt but he was primarily driven by the need to possess!

Hameeda's attraction is a whole different thing - with a more positive twist in it! But as Alakh says, beyond the ken of my understanding too...🤔

Its true that after this point Jalal knows she cares..his instincts have now been confirmed, but only in two incidents has he been 'moved' by her -her poetry and those things she said outside the temple...till then, there's not been a single instance where he's been privy to her caring side...it was all driven by lust, passion, rage, obsession etc...😊 (thankfully, Hameeda's obsessiveness over Jodha was not driven by all those!😆)

Lashy, on the outside it looks like Jala's obsession in making Jodha cook and sing etc is about subjugation of her. But who knows the inner workings of a mind. people subconsciously act out their needs (eg. mothering need) but couch it in different reasons and explanations!

Originally posted by: lashy

That AND the movie...even in the movie, HR's character doesn't show much love to HB...he doesn't disrespect her, but she's not his favourite 'mummy'!

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

ruku was always like that. when they were kids, she was always the one who used to decide what to do, and Akbar always listened to her. now that time it might be in games they will be playing, but being a mother Hamida must have understood Ruku. It was only when Ruku finally accepted that she can't give 'waaris' to throne, she was tamed down.

Remember how Salima told Jodha about this Ruq-Jalal marriage at a young age and said "Ruq apne haq jatahne lagi, aur Jalal ko uske aadat pad gayi".