Jalaal-Jodha:Jo nahiin kahaa hai, kabhi toh samajh bhi jaao. - Page 6

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Posted: 12 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: sun29



and i shall never tire of admiring your posts...awesome analysis and so perfectly put..the three begums and their persona characterized through the meena bazaar

as i posted in lashy's thread..ruqaiyya is like a spoilt child...pehle mein ,pehle mujhe pehle mera... it is not just that she wants him to visit her khema..she wants him to visit her khema first ..jalal indulges her as she is his bestie and he knows her well...hence you could see them transacting knowing exactly what she wants

salima is a darling ...everything about her is class and peaceful ...

and then comes the toofan of his life...how these two find ways to keep on coming back to the other inspite of all the taunts ,ghrina guroor etc lol

i simply loved thier scene ,...so much was indeed said through those colours and yes she changed the colour of his dupatta thus changing the emotion ans interpretation associated with it...his peace offering was covered with her love ...now that is something worth a smile indeed ..you go jalal hehehe

jodha at her best trying to lash out,incite,hurt him as much as she is and jalal like a saint calm ,cool 🤣 seeing that jodha loses some more of her cool 😆

he is trying real hard knowing very well it is difficult but yet he is trying...as ruqaiyya keeps on asking why ,why does it matter jalal what this 2 din ki mehmaan feels for you or does..why does it matter if she forgives you or not,why does it matter whether she hates you ..i thought you derived peace from her hatred..why is it hurting now???

these are the questions that will lead to the revelation that you have a heart and that beats way too loudly for this arrogant ,haughty amer ki mirchi 😆

and jodha stop fighting yourself and your pati...there is no escaping what you feel ..even if running off to amer away from him tumhara dum ghutega...adaat ho gayee hai tumhe is ghrina bhari mohabbat ki ,ruswai ki ,shikayat ki ,Shahenshah ki


Thank you, Sunny and i completely agree with you. Ruqqu is too dripped in money, power and her control over Jalaal to soften in feelings, Maybe that is the reason that she cannot see what JJ share and how Jalaal is getting webbed in Jodha.

Jalaal has accepted that he has been wrong and he is letting Jodha rave and rant because somewhere he knows that he has ruined her life APPARENTLY. As for Jodha, she can not stay without fighting and whining with Jalaal... abb toh ye kya hi judaa honge. 😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
#52

Thank you.😃...Jodha is a loose cannon today because of all that Jalaal has put her through and all that she is feeling regarding him. But we know her compassionate and passionate heart. Once she starts seeing Jalaal in the same light as her heart has begun to see him, she will make up for every singe cross word that she said and he did not deserve. 😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
#53
You have no idea..how much we miss you😭
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Posted: 12 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear Vicki,

A beautiful piece of writing. I particularly liked the impressionistic concept of your take on today's episode, which is, as you say, open to any number of interpretations and assessments. After all, Claude Monet, the quintessential Impressionist, did say once Close your eyes, and you will see that the snow is pink!

I agree completely with your summings up of Salima and Ruqaiya, especially the former,where your lyrical prose is as evocative of the essence of her persona as her ittar.

Thank you, Shyamala. 😃... yes, you can see one thing from a thousand coloured glasses and it would mean a thousand different things. Someone else may see Ruqqu and Saleema differently from what i see - it depends on individual thought , perception and evaluation.

Not with that of Jodha, where I think you - and you are of course far from alone in this respect - tend to romanticise her to excess, perhaps as the designated heroine. I do not see her as embodying all shades of humanity and womanhood, unless you include in this description being brattish, and overtly and publicly rude to the man who is both her husband and an emperor, and thus has to be accorded at least public respect.

I think my interpretation depends on my definition of humanity. And from where i see it, humanity includes both the good and the bad in us, irrespective of what the dictionary says. If Jodha is angelic as white to Raheem, she is as calm as blue to Hameeda and as intense and hot as red with Jalaal. I didn't even think that am romanticizing Jodha- am seeing her as an all round individual in all her shades. If she refuses to answer Jalaal in the Meena Bazaar, she defends his honour as well when he is not looking. That is what she is for me - ALL SHADES.

Not to forget a tendency to hold forth, at the drop of a hat, about the superiority of her native culture in the most condescending and even sarcastic manner possible, like a Hyde Park soap box orator. I found her lecture on colours pompous throughout, delivered as if she was talking to an uncultured inferior being, and in parts completely meaningless.

She was also trying so hard to needle him that she lost sight of all good sense and even her royal breeding. Her apologists never tire of saying about Jodha that she never fails to maintain proper decorum towards her husband in public, no matter how she rails at him in private. Today, she threw even that to the winds. The way is which she declared, in answer to his polite question of what was the significance of having a stall of colours, that she did not consider it necessary to tell him that, was not only extremely rude, but betrayed a total lack of breeding dismaying in a princess born. One wonders what the Shahenshah' s attendants, not to speak of her own,would have thought about such behaviour in public. Nothing flattering to Jodha, I am sure.

If Jodha had no intense and rather unhealthy history with Jalaal, i would second you on all that you have said above. But that is not the case at all. Till the time, Jalaal did not talk about sending Jodha back home to Amer, Jodha, still wounded by the Ekaantwaas and 'zinda jalaa denge' rant of Jalaal , was curt to him privately but she kept his honour and her duty as his wife - defending Jalaal in front of Raheem, telling Jalaal in public that she doesn't like seeing him beg and scolding commoners for trashing Jalaal...but the offer of Jalaal that threatened to send her back to Amer has driven her up the wall. She has no idea what she is feeling but whatever it is, it is making her behave worse than ever. No justification. But we all know the root cause.

I was delighted that her deliberate impertinence in soiling what she thought to be his white dupatta boomeranged on her,and she fell flat on her face. I almost cheered Jalal for having tripped her up so smoothly and effectively.

The symbolism of her colouring what would have been a widow's white with pink, thus making it a sign of happiness (for a wedded woman it would have to be red, not pink), as you put it so eloquently, would have been perfect, except that she did not do it for that purpose. She did it to spoil something that she thought belonged to him. That she was left with something gifted to her that is now unusable seemed to be poetic justice!

Its again how you look at it. For you, its poetic justice that Jalaal's gift is unusable to her by her own fury foolishness. For me, its the hand of fate that puts colour into a dead white that symbolizes that she will bring colour into his life and that colour will be of sentiment. Its like Jodha wanted to destroy something but ended up giving it a wholly another meaning. I know that the bridal colour is red but when i talk colour on clean white , i mean any colour which a married woman can wear.

It seemed to me that Jalal treated her today the way an adult treats an ill-behaved and obnoxious child, with exaggerated patience and unshaken calm . Not as if he was trying to patch up an as yet non-existent relationship, but rather as if he wanted a civil parting free of any hostility or vindictiveness. He thinks she has chosen to leave, which does not surprise him given the assurances of hatred and contempt that she bestows on him so liberally. I do not think that at this point he is thinking of her staying back, and when he refers to the aakhri khwahish of a departing guest, it is precisely that and no more.

To sum up, while we all know what is to happen eventually, probably after another 200 episodes, right now, to say that Jodha is Promising that this marriage is for keeps and she will always be his shield, seems to me to be so far out into the future as to be clean out of the range of sight for the present. In the meanwhile, I am tiring of all this unending prodding and poking of the tea leaves or chicken entrails to see where their putative love affair is headed, while all we get onscreen these days is an endless series of tiresome squabbles and exercises in one-upmanship, interspersed with bouts of rona dhona and acid-tipped exchanges.

I agree that Jalaal is truly keeping the patience of an adult for an obnoxious child , but at the same time, even he knows that he has done no angelic acts to her right from the time of marrying her and promising hell to her. Jodha is a loose cannon right now, but even this girl has been through hell, especially with the MC drama and the threat of death and shame on her and her family. On top of that, all that Jalaal is evoking inside her is only making her behaviour more irrational.

I have only mentioned the symbolism and i have no idea when it will happen - hopefully in less than 200 episodes😆... as for Jalaal, i will still believe that he wants Jodha to stay back , irrespective of whether he is aware of it or not - because he didn't order her to leave , he gave her a choice. Its another thing that Jodha is too blinded by her own frustration that she was given a choice. 😆

If I had paid for a ticket for this show, I would ask for my money back and go buy a DVD of Jodhaa Akbar. Aishwarya's Jodhaa would be balm for nerves frayed by the shenanigans of this avatar.

I do apologise if I sound acidic myself, but today's Meena Bazaar encounter set my teeth on edge. I set great store by proper behaviour and good breeding, and I do not like it when these are found to be so patently wanting in the accredited heroine.

Never apologize for what you feel and believe. Its your opinion and I respect that. You said what you felt and its perfectly okay. There is nothing acidic about it. 😃

Shyamala

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: starsinmyeyes

You have no idea..how much we miss you😭


Babyyy!🤗

Yaar tu mujhe aise emotion mein mut duboyaa kar. I miss you guys too and my QH and my AsYa but i cannot put up with a dishonest storyteller like Gullu Gaajar.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: MoronsKiMallika


Babyyy!🤗

Yaar tu mujhe aise emotion mein mut duboyaa kar. I miss you guys too and my QH and my AsYa but i cannot put up with a dishonest storyteller like Gullu Gaajar.


🤗

The bad carrot ruined everything. ..even I cannot stand it...and I miss it
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: starsinmyeyes


🤗

The bad carrot ruined everything. ..even I cannot stand it...and I miss it


Tu yaheen aaja mere paas. I don't like your sad posts in QH forum.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: MoronsKiMallika


Tu yaheen aaja mere paas. I don't like your sad posts in QH forum.


I don't like them either. ....lekin ab gussa nikal gaya poora...😆...JA jab aata hai tab I am not home...so cannot watch it...but aap likhte ho toh appreciate karna toh banta hai
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: starsinmyeyes


I don't like them either. ....lekin ab gussa nikal gaya poora...😆...JA jab aata hai tab I am not home...so cannot watch it


Awwle!😆...never mind. Tu waise hi ghoomne aa jaaya kar yahaan. 😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Vicki,

It is very late for me, but just one point about my comments @red .

Good behaviour. especially in public, is something one owes to oneself and to one's upbringing, it need have nothing to do with the way others have behaved or behave with you. I thus have nothing against Jodha ranting at Jalal in private. But in public it is an entirely different matter, and that is what distinguishes a lady, and more so a princess, from the common run of ill-bred humanity.

So when Jodha burnt her wedding joda, after having been cautioned by her mother about the likely consequences for Amer, I felt that she was behaving like a reckless fishwife. Today I felt that she was behaving like a shrew. Royalty is taught above all never to let their self-control slip, no matter what the circumstances. Judged by those standards, Jodha is sadly wanting. She has always been so.

And as for the rest, my dear, you are a hopeless, eloquent romantic😉, whereas I am a closet cynic. I never liked Mills and Boon, which is what this serial is beginning to resemble. So we are bound to disagree more often than not. I am not given to seeing hints of hidden passion in every slanging match of this Odd Couple. But I do not want to upset you in any way, which is what my apology was for, not for my opinions, to which I hold fast.

I do hope the CVs do something to improve this Jodha, if not she will soon irritate me so much that it might have a beneficial side effect for me. I shall drop out of this forum, tiring of criticising her all the time, and then I can use all the hours thus saved to read books instead!

Shyamala

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