Jodha Akbar 21: The Law of Gravity prevails - Page 5

Shyamala aunty your answer to me in an affirmative lies in your write up only !

"Thank you, Khush, and no, I was not talking of no love in arranged marriages before the marriage alone, but after it as well., As in most royal marriages of that period as well. The marriages succeeded on the basis of mutual respect, caring, loyalty and a dedication to a common goal, that of raising a good family. "

If mutual respect , caring, loyalty ,etc does not form a basis for love then I am may be too dumb to understand your abstract definition of love ! 😆 love is not something that is defined... For some love is to trust, respect each other , care for each other, stand by each other in tough times, be loyal, and to hold each other at every step of life ! For some it's also all about physicality! And maybe that is what Hamida means ... As for Jalal in blunt lingo just making out to produce babies is the criteria and many believed in that And do so, but like Fatima said to them , ruqaiya still longs for a jalal for whom she wouldn't have to play games to be his favorite in the harem and would himself love her for what she is then for her brains only , or the Jalal who would turn his world up if something happened to her or for her! And there have love sagas even before this era where such lovers existed ! 😆

No my dear Khush,I do not think that is the kind of love either Ammijaan or Ekta's CVs are talking about. They are talking about what the French would call le grand amour, a passionate, all absorbing obsession which would count the world well lost for the love or the loved one.

That is not an 'abstract definition'; it is in fact the most common understanding of romantic love. Romeo and Juliet. Shirin-Farhad, Laila-Majnu, did not base their passionate relationships on "mutual respect, caring, loyalty and a dedication to a common goal, that of raising a good family. " They were swept away on the tide of a desperate longing for each other.

And no, you are not 'too dumb', it is just that you are defining another kind of love, the calm, settled variety where the one makes no excessive demands on the other and where neither haunts the consciousness of the other, but they stand for each other and with each other when the need arises, and they care a lot for each other. In the later years of a marriage, this is what could be called 'old shoe love'.

I did not go by this definition because this is not what the CVs mean when they go on and on about mohabbat, Especially between our lead pair They mean deewangee, an obsession that leaves no room for anything else and takes you over body and soul. That is what that Farida is talking about as well.

If your kind of love was what Hamida meant, why then she does not have to look too far. It is there already between Jalal and Ruqaiya, only he will not call it any kind of love and so she does not dare do so either. There is caring and a very high comfort level, loyalty, and terrific mutual understanding, so this is also love. I don't see anything wrong with his loving her for her brains, for they are surely part of her, and she cannot want him to love her without them!😉 Her problem is that he will not permit any softer angle to their relationship at all. It is all sparring and mind games. Plus she wants a child.

And there have love sagas even before this era where such lovers existed ! 😆 Yes of course, but that is not the point here. Hamida is talking as though no couple can have kids if they are not in love. That is plain and simple balderdash. Especially in royal families of that era. So you are not wrong in what you say, but she definitely is.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: -Khush-

Shyamala aunty your answer to me in an affirmative lies in your write up only !

"Thank you, Khush, and no, I was not talking of no love in arranged marriages before the marriage alone, but after it as well., As in most royal marriages of that period as well. The marriages succeeded on the basis of mutual respect, caring, loyalty and a dedication to a common goal, that of raising a good family. "

If mutual respect , caring, loyalty ,etc does not form a basis for love then I am may be too dumb to understand your abstract definition of love ! 😆 love is not something that is defined... For some love is to trust, respect each other , care for each other, stand by each other in tough times, be loyal, and to hold each other at every step of life ! For some it's also all about physicality! And maybe that is what Hamida means ... As for Jalal in blunt lingo just making out to produce babies is the criteria and many believed in that And do so, but like Fatima said to them , ruqaiya still longs for a jalal for whom she wouldn't have to play games to be his favorite in the harem and would himself love her for what she is then for her brains only , or the Jalal who would turn his world up if something happened to her or for her! And there have love sagas even before this era where such lovers existed ! 😆

About this Jodha, my dear, we will just agree to disagree. Beauty, and regality too, are all in the beholder's eyes.

I agree with you about Ruqaiya, and the last para is spot on!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: blahblah26

I almost fell off my chair laughing when I heard MahaManga say Bairam Khan in that weird hissing noise, upar se her bg. Ugh. Could Ekta have got two more comical actors? Loved the MahaManga in the movie. This one is just 🤢
and Bairam Khan, the lesser said about him the better.
And i read in one of your posts that Jodha isn't regal enough. I forgot which one so Im posting here. I completely disagree. She's one of the very few people in the show who know how to carry themselves like royals. She's not beautiful, pretty at the most. But the way she acts, she's mesmerising, atleast for me. She looks every inch the fiery but good-at-heart Rajputani. Though I would love to see some action from her side now.
One can't expect much logic from daily soaps especially Ekta's. She takes full advatntage of creative liberties. The mandir scene is understandable, even the jungle scene to an extent(she might have somehow got lost) but the Sasuraal scene was utterly improbable. Accidental meet would have been okay, but actuslly GOING to her sasuraal and her in-laws happy about it! :o
The Hamida scene was just to stretch the serial and Ekta's an exoert in that. She loves giving fillers.
Omigod! Sooo true. Her voice, it's like she's gonna start crying any second.
And I don't think Ruqaiya's longing for a kid has anything to do with remaining Jalal's favourite. She's more than assured about that. She probably longs to be a mother, the feeling of holding one's child. *sigh*
At that time, 20 was probably old enough to become a father. And even after having so many women but not producing even one child, that could maybe put a question mark on his being a 'mard'.

Thank you, Rimi. Today's was a pot pourri of minor elements, so it does not need a separate post, but let us see what happens tomorrow.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: rimi10

Another of your awesome post🤗. Much has already been mentioned in the forum. At the end what I can say is that my heart goes out to Ruquaiya, she is the most realisitic & believable character in the show. The subtleties of her performance is indeed remarkable.

Apart from that the whole scene of Farida and her lover being punished was highly exaggerated. And so much bragging, just to show that Jalal doesn't believe in love. Ammi jaan was a major letdown👎🏼.

Awaiting eagerly for tonight's episode and also your analysis of Jodha's Kate moss enactment wala scene😊.

Ela my dear, you are so very funny! That Jalal ka sar is getting to be too much; I hope they can it at least now.

This said, I do not see how you are going to escape Jodha, for she will be there more and more from now on. In fact today, she did that scene with the uppity chunari shop woman very well, with calm, unruffled dignity, plus she delivered a very neat putdown by draping that very expensive chunari on Motibai! And I liked her open laughter when the latter takes than tumble in the mud.

I do not like the new Ruqaiya - she is much better looking than Smilie Suri, but her face looks like a cold mask, and she seems to be far more arrogant and unfeeling than the old one was. Nor can one expect the shades of emotion that Smilie was able to show; she was excellent yesterday, so convincing in her misery and her frailities, in the prison and then with Jalal in their bedchamber. I cannot see this stylish mask of a face that this new one has bringing out those nuances.

I am half afraid, looking at Ruqaiya today, that they will soon leach out everything that made her fascinating and vulnerable at the same time, and reduce her to a standard issue negative female from any TV soap. That would be a very great pity.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: elasingh

I am happy that Jodha is not given much screen space as I find her a bore...What does she think -Jalal's head is some aloo pyaaz that Surya can chop off easily?

Originally posted by: blahblah26

I almost fell off my chair laughing when I heard MahaManga say Bairam Khan in that weird hissing noise, upar se her bg. Ugh. Could Ekta have got two more comical actors? Loved the MahaManga in the movie. This one is just 🤢
and Bairam Khan, the lesser said about him the better.
And i read in one of your posts that Jodha isn't regal enough. I forgot which one so Im posting here. I completely disagree. She's one of the very few people in the show who know how to carry themselves like royals. She's not beautiful, pretty at the most. But the way she acts, she's mesmerising, atleast for me. She looks every inch the fiery but good-at-heart Rajputani. Though I would love to see some action from her side now.

I absolutely agree with the points made by LuvMishalRaheja n blah blah. Paridhi far outshines all the ladies in the show , she's not only truly gorgeous, but also a true lady n every bit true princess. Jodha is the singular best thing about this show IMO, Paridhi's poise, grace n royality is so natural that it makes us wonder if Paridhi has some blue blood running in her veins by some distant relation. EK has hit jack pot with this casting, because no one could even be imagined as Jodha except her. Rai doesn't even come close her in terms of acting. When it comes to poise n grace , she may come close to Paridhi. She's every bit a true rajputani , n she n Vicky batra carries their respective characters of Jodha n Sujamal with true rajput air, while the rest of the rajput cast doesn't so much.

Originally posted by: blahblah26

I almost fell off my chair laughing when I heard MahaManga say Bairam Khan in that weird hissing noise, upar se her bg. Ugh. Could Ekta have got two more comical actors? Loved the MahaManga in the movie.

Thank you very much for your generous comments about my writing.

I am glad that you did not exert yourself to expatiate on all the differences, total, according to you, between us on matters of substance as distinct from style, for then I would have to write back on all of them, which would have been an all round waste of time and energy for both of us, since neither could have convinced the other.

As for this Jodha, beauty and all that goes with it lies in the beholder's eye, so there is no use bothering about polar opposite in assessments. I do not like the new Ruqaiya at all, but there again we are at odds,it seems. So, it is best to let things be.

As for Ruqaiya yesterday, she, like Jalal, is a flawed character, and that is what makes her interesting for me. Goody two shoes characters, who populate our serials, bore me stiff. I would like Jodha much better if she had some grey shades.

Warm regards

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: Bamonforever

I absolutely agree with the points made by LuvMishalRaheja n blah blah. Paridhi far outshines all the ladies in the show , she's not only truly gorgeous, but also a true lady n every bit true princess. Jodha is the singular best thing about this show IMO, Paridhi's poise, grace n royality is so natural that it makes us wonder if Paridhi has some blue blood running in her veins by some distant relation. EK has hit jack pot with this casting, because no one could even be imagined as Jodha except her. Rai doesn't even come close her in terms of acting. When it comes to poise n grace , she may come close to Paridhi. She's every bit a true rajputani , n she n Vicky batra carries their respective characters of Jodha n Sujamal with true rajput air, while the rest of the rajput cast doesn't so much.

But Ma'am your post is as always a delight n a treat to read, if only for your great flair of writing, which I really admire, though I whole heartedly disagree with almost every point made. Wish I could've time enough to write out some arguments against each of them, * Sigh* , because it's a pleasure to even totally disagree with you. Yes, your writing is that GOOD! 👏

As for Ruqaiya , I couldn't find ANY THING appreciable in her character, n not only because Smiley has no grace n couldn't act, because the new actress in the part CAN actually act, but my deep empathy n passion for every form of life, especially human life, which I'm taught to value above n beyond every thing in my profession, doesn't allow me to morally root for a character as repulsing asher as she can laugh n calmly watch a pregnant woman being executed ( whatever might be her fault, the child was innocent ) , just because she needs to stay in the good books of her husband, by acting in a way to satisfy him by hook or crook ( she couldn't risk losing her oh-so-valuable position as the favorite begum takhma after all ! ) rather than be a true other half to her man n firmly stand against him when he's wrong. I've not an ounce of respect left for her character after that scene , because at that very moment she ceases to be a women , by not sympathizing with the plea of her kind, n just reduces herself to a mere wife. *sigh*

If there was any one who could've stood against Jalal by her own right, as his equal , it was Ruqaiya, but after yesterday's episode she sold out that position to Jodha for her temporary n small gain.

Originally posted by: elasingh

I am happy that Jodha is not given much screen space as I find her a bore...What does she think -Jalal's head is some aloo pyaaz that Surya can chop off easily?