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Posted: 12 years ago
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I agree with you aunty, Jodha just doesn't have the aura of a queen, she doesn't look regal at all. If someone were to watch the show today as in when she was walking around in the bazaar, she looked to me like an ordinary girl, there's nothing royal about her. As for Ruqaiya, she's the complete opposite, everything she does from walking, talking or smoking the hukkah, speaks royalty. You can easily tell that she's the Empress in a crowd because of her aura and her grace, plus her postures are just perfect very befitting for an empress.

Also, yes, the "goody two shoes" characters whom people seem to adore in Indian serials bore me as well. 🥱 They're so predictable and not all interesting.

But as you pointed out "to each his own". 😆

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Thank you very much for your generous comments about my writing.

I am glad that you did not exert yourself to expatiate on all the differences, total, according to you, between us on matters of substance as distinct from style, for then I would have to write back on all of them, which would have been an all round waste of time and energy for both of us, since neither could have convinced the other.

As for this Jodha, beauty and all that goes with it lies in the beholder's eye, so there is no use bothering about polar opposite in assessments. I do not like the new Ruqaiya at all, but there again we are at odds,it seems. So, it is best to let things be.

As for Ruqaiya yesterday, she, like Jalal, is a flawed character, and that is what makes her interesting for me. Goody two shoes characters, who populate our serials, bore me stiff. I would like Jodha much better if she had some grey shades.

Warm regards

Shyamala B.Cowsik



Edited by mystic786 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#52
Shyamala ji,

for your take on Jodha, do you think that maybe they are protraying her right now because they want ot make difference very obvious with regard to how much she enjoys life and dances around and basically has little to no worries, vs Jalal's world which has basically been a struggle since birth.

I find they are treating the character of Jodha to be protrayed a bit childish, full of love and respect, but lacking in wisdom and maturity for lack of a better word. Also they are showing that she has no deception to her what so ever...that what you see is what you get and she has no concept of playing coy, smart, selfish, deceptive or anything else that is related with Ruqaiya and Maham Anga...

We will definitely need her to learn quickly that she needs to play with some cards hidden and to have a poker face...strategy after all doesn't make someone evil or good, it shows who has the better brains.

I fear that we are going ot have to wait for the brains and mind of Jodha to mature.

I think the way the character is written - is that Jodha doesn't consider herself better than anyone else just because of her birth...

In today's episode she definitely didn't stand out from her posse...however the actions that she took without showing any attitude in my opinion speaks far greater on the value of a future queen as opposed to one who looks like a queen...

your thoughts?

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Posted: 12 years ago
#53
on a totally different note, I read your very detailed and hilarious post before I watched the episode of yesterday...and all I can say is that it made me laugh almost throughout the entire episode,. I thoroughly enjoyed the episode vs ...being bored by it.

Thank you .
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Posted: 12 years ago
#54
Sonya my dear, you made my day! There is nothing like having something you write, which you like but you are not sure will get thru to the reader because it is wacky and satirical, connect completely with another person. Thank you!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: SonyaBlade

on a totally different note, I read your very detailed and hilarious post before I watched the episode of yesterday...and all I can say is that it made me laugh almost throughout the entire episode,. I thoroughly enjoyed the episode vs ...being bored by it.

Thank you .

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Sonya,

This is a thoughtful and balanced assessment, and I would agree with almost all of it. As I wrote to Ela above, I liked two things about Jodha yesterday.

One was the calm dignity, firm but free of arrogance, with which she put that cheeky chunari seller in her place, capping that by draping the expensive chunari - fit only for the Mughal Shahenshah's begums - over her maid's head. It was a splendid put down, much better than chewing the woman out,and she added a solid retort about Mughal shehzadis and Rajputanis to sew everything up. Of course it was the 150 mohras that spoke the loudest, but she handled the whole impeccably. She will handle Mahaam Anga the same way when the time comes for that.

Second, I liked the open, childlike (not childish) way in which she laughed when Motibai ends up with mud all over her face and over that 150 mohra chunari. It was like a carefree little girl, and it was charming.

To come to your analysis, it is true that Jodha treats her maids as her equal,and that is admirable, but there has to be a limit to that. I did not like the way Motibai bargained for that chunari like a housewife in a fish bazaar, without waiting so see what Jodha felt about it at all. She should keep the rank and dignity of her mistress in mind. It looked bad, the way she behaved. This is what comes of too much freedom for one's staff. There has to be some discipline. The Mughal court is far more hierarchical and formal, and if Jodha treats the staff there the same wayas in Amer, and tries to befriend all and sundry there, she will soon be in the suds. A queen must be kind, but a bit aloof and dignified as well; otherwise the staff will start being presumptuous. As was Motibai yesterday, even if she meant well.

As you say, Jodha does not stand out in a crowd, except that she is prettier than the rest.. She does not have the body language as yet. A queen should so stand out, and that is where a regal presence comes in. I do not feel that she has the bepanah husn that Jalal keeps repeating like a parrot. I think the Parvati of DKD Mahadev, who has just left that show, would have made a far better Jodha, in terms of both sheer looks and of presence.

Of course that is a personal take of mine, and other will see this Jodha quite differently. Plus, what we have is going to be what we get, and there is no point complaining about it. At least we have a very good Jalal.

I agree with you that Jodha could, so far, afford to be as simple and straightforward as she is because she has never faced any serious dilemmas,any great danger, any great tragedies, in her life as Jalal has. She has never been as lonely as he is, so lonely that he does not even know that he is lonely. Lonely in that he has no one with whom he can connect with the certitude that the person is not out to use him one way or the other. He is the xlosest of all to Ruqaiya, and still, when she praises his appearance, he is sure she wants something from him.

Jodha can thus afford to see things in black white, to run to save a pigeon or a deer (I loved her quick thinking wrt the deer,and so did Jalal, whose eyes lit up with instant appreciation as soon as he saw the smoking twigs), and to lecture her family on the Rajput code of honour.

The first time she is pulled both ways is about Sujamal, and when he joins up with the enemy to redress what he sees as a great injustice done to him, Jodha will understand that there need not be one clear right and one clear wrong, and she will suffer. As Jalal suffers when Zaheer is blinded and later dies, when Takhtmal is murdered, and when so many other things go very badly wrong.

Jodha will have to grow up, to learn that life is not so simple, that there are competing pressures that have to be balanced, and that for an emperor, his empire and its needs come before all else. That the imperatives of statecraft often cannot be subjected to personal concepts of right and wrong, or to those of human sympathy.

For example, no matter how sorry one feels for an expectant mother at the personal level, there is no way the kind of criminal fraud that Farida and her paramour are planning to pull off, making their child the heir to the Mughal throne, should have gone unpunished. They should have at least been jailed, if not executed. In any kingdom of the 16th century, in France or Germany or England or China, such an offence would have resulted in the instant execution of both of them for high treason. At the very most, they would have waited till the woman gave birth and then executed her. That is what is done these days for a death row woman convict who is expecting a child. How can one argue that the crime is excused just because she is going to have a child? What happens to the law then? Should every begum of the emperor who cheats on him and then practices this kind of criminal fraud and lese majeste get off scot free?

Well, let us see if and how Jodha learns all these things. I hope she does not become a Hamida Banu II.I cannot stand that whining, lachrymose woman. The one in the film was way better, just like Ila Arun was much better than this Mahaam Anga. She was really scary at times.

Once again, I really liked your analysis of Jodha's inner workings.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: SonyaBlade

Shyamala ji,

for your take on Jodha, do you think that maybe they are protraying her right now because they want ot make difference very obvious with regard to how much she enjoys life and dances around and basically has little to no worries, vs Jalal's world which has basically been a struggle since birth.

I find they are treating the character of Jodha to be protrayed a bit childish, full of love and respect, but lacking in wisdom and maturity for lack of a better word. Also they are showing that she has no deception to her what so ever...that what you see is what you get and she has no concept of playing coy, smart, selfish, deceptive or anything else that is related with Ruqaiya and Maham Anga...

We will definitely need her to learn quickly that she needs to play with some cards hidden and to have a poker face...strategy after all doesn't make someone evil or good, it shows who has the better brains.

I fear that we are going ot have to wait for the brains and mind of Jodha to mature.

I think the way the character is written - is that Jodha doesn't consider herself better than anyone else just because of her birth...

In today's episode she definitely didn't stand out from her posse...however the actions that she took without showing any attitude in my opinion speaks far greater on the value of a future queen as opposed to one who looks like a queen...

your thoughts?

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Posted: 12 years ago
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My dear,

The new Ruqaiya looks even more of an empress than the old one, but I have serious problems with her.

As I wrote to Ela above, I do not like the new Ruqaiya - she is much better looking than Smilie Suri, but her face. with the light eyes, looks like a cold mask, and she seems to be far more arrogant and unfeeling than the old one was.

Nor can one expect the shades of emotion that Smilie was able to show; she was excellent on Tuesday, so convincing in her misery and her frailities, in the prison and then with Jalal in their bedchamber. I cannot see the stylish mask of a face that this new one has bringing out those nuances.

I am more than half afraid, looking at the new Ruqaiya yesterday, that they will soon leach out everything that made the character fascinating and vulnerable at the same time, and reduce her to a standard issue negative female from any TV soap. Like Bahar in Mughal-e-Azam, even after allowing for her being the seniormost queen. That would be a very great pity. Let us hope she escapes that sad fate!

Lastly, if Ruqaiya takes as long with every shot of hers as she did yesterday, she will not be able to hit even an elephant, for it will have the time to wander out of range. The woman takes ages! It was intriguing, the detachment with which Jalal views the whole proceeding, commenting, in an unconsciousness echo of Arjuna's maxim, that your focus must be total and you must, in some way, become one with the target. He also senses the smoke - there is something in the air, the winds are changing, he says - even before he sees the smoking twigs.

Shyamala Aunty


I agree with you aunty, Jodha just doesn't have the aura of a queen, she doesn't look regal at all. If someone were to watch the show today as in when she was walking around in the bazaar, she looked to me like an ordinary girl, there's nothing royal about her.

As for Ruqaiya, she's the complete opposite, everything she does from walking, talking or smoking the hukkah, speaks royalty. You can easily tell that she's the Empress in a crowd because of her aura and her grace, plus her postures are just perfect very befitting for an empress.

Also, yes, the "goody two shoes" characters whom people seem to adore in Indian serials bore me as well. 🥱 They're so predictable and not all interesting.

But as you pointed out "to each his own". 😆



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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

About this Jodha, my dear, we will just agree to disagree. Beauty, and regality too, are all in the beholder's eyes.

I agree with you about Ruqaiya, and the last para is spot on!

Shyamala B.Cowsik


I guess we'll just have to. :) you don't agree with me about Paridhi the same way I don't agree with about Rajat. Somehow I don't get the Shehansha-feeling from him but maybe that's because he's being shown as merely a puppet. The only time I felt he was the Shehanshah was when he finally showed Bairam Khan his place. At that moment I was like 'Now that's an Emperor.' An Emperor and a King. A vast difference. The scene where he kind of shouts at Ruqaiya but apologises in private. Can we have more of that? In private he can be a husband, son whatever discuss stuff with them but in public the people should know that HE is the emperor not kissi ka mohtaj.
I haven't seen either of them before, so i didn't have opinions but Jodha in that scene where she puts a sword on Jalal's neck,Paridhi was brilliant. The genuine regret in her eyes coupled with the fact that she's a princess can't really say sorry to a guard can she? I loooved her in that scene.
But Rajat, i see HUGE potential other than the OTT lust expression.

Sigh. I'm still waiting for the purana zamana feel, and please can we be consistent? Either tum or aap. ANd what's with Jodha taking her future husband's name? women still don't do that.
Edited by blahblah26 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Yes aunty, even I'm sad to say after watching today's episode that they're very very close to turning Ruqaiya into a vamp Plus, you are right, I think Lavina is very pretty but she is not portraying Ruqaiya correctly, she does look cold and heartless and like a typical vamp, she doesn't fit in the role. I don't think anyone else would be fit for it either. That's because Smilie IS Ruqaiya, her portrayal of Ruqaiya was beautiful, so natural, effortless and perfect. And I get the whole Jodha being the forever goody two shoes, but aren't they insulting the Mughals way too much? I mean demeaning them at every step as though they're just power hungry heartless monsters. I didn't like today's episode at all, not that yesterday's episode was any good or the one the day before. After watching the prison scene I thought they might've learnt but they went ahead and did that typical TV serial scene in the forest wherein Jodha and Jalal's awful bg was pIaying, that was just ridiculous. It's like I'm watching a bad Hindi film or a saas bahu serial, there isn't the feel of a historical show at all like you get in Sony TV's Maharana Pratap. I'm not comparing the two but I'm just saying that when you do a historical show you have to have perfection otherwise it's a waste. Even though calling this a "historical show" is wrong may as well as say fictional historical show because of the constant distortion of history. Creative liberties are ok but they're going way out of line what with the prison scene and the forest and the bazaar scene.

At last, it's a real shame that they've turned the best and most intriguing character of the show into a standard negative female of any TV soap. I don't get why they turned such a perfect character whom they brilliantly introduced into a good for nothing vamp, it's such a waste, not to mention its demeaning to Ruqaiya Sultan Begum, the historical figure. Watching Ruqaiya was such a delight, she was clearly the best female character on Indian TV so far and the best we've ever seen or will see from Ekta. If they just wanted to show a vamp from the start then why use a historical figure and insult them? Why not make a character up since Ekta is making up things all the time, the concept of the show itself is fabricated. This show isn't turning out to be any good as I expected something different especially from Ruqaiya's character. I don't want to watch it anymore.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear,

The new Ruqaiya looks even more of an empress than the old one, but I have serious problems with her.

As I wrote to Ela above, I do not like the new Ruqaiya - she is much better looking than Smilie Suri, but her face. with the light eyes, looks like a cold mask, and she seems to be far more arrogant and unfeeling than the old one was.

Nor can one expect the shades of emotion that Smilie was able to show; she was excellent on Tuesday, so convincing in her misery and her frailities, in the prison and then with Jalal in their bedchamber. I cannot see the stylish mask of a face that this new one has bringing out those nuances.

I am more than half afraid, looking at the new Ruqaiya yesterday, that they will soon leach out everything that made the character fascinating and vulnerable at the same time, and reduce her to a standard issue negative female from any TV soap. Like Bahar in Mughal-e-Azam, even after allowing for her being the seniormost queen. That would be a very great pity. Let us hope she escapes that sad fate!

Lastly, if Ruqaiya takes as long with every shot of hers as she did yesterday, she will not be able to hit even an elephant, for it will have the time to wander out of range. The woman takes ages! It was intriguing, the detachment with which Jalal views the whole proceeding, commenting, in an unconsciousness echo of Arjuna's maxim, that your focus must be total and you must, in some way, become one with the target. He also senses the smoke - there is something in the air, the winds are changing, he says - even before he sees the smoking twigs.

Shyamala Aunty


Edited by mystic786 - 12 years ago

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Posted: 12 years ago
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I still have faith in Lavina that soon she will get under the skin of Ruqaiyya Begum, remember when Smiley came in the scene for first time people said that she did not look like a royal queen in any way and no body liked her as ruqaiyaa for first few episodes but later on she won our heart by her acting. so give Lavina some time..she is only two episodes old and as for the BGM,well it is there from the very first week, and in the movie also there was 4-5 songs..but did those songs lessen the historical flavour of the movie??? I guess not..😊



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Posted: 12 years ago
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I hope so too,Pallavi. I do not want to see Ruqaiya messed up.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: PallaviDas003

I still have faith in Lavina that soon she will get under the skin of Ruqaiyya Begum, remember when Smiley came in the scene for first time people said that she did not look like a royal queen in any way and no body liked her as ruqaiyaa for first few episodes but later on she won our heart by her acting. so give Lavina some time..she is only two episodes old and as for the BGM,well it is there from the very first week, and in the movie also there was 4-5 songs..but did those songs lessen the historical flavour of the movie??? I guess not..😊




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