Weekend Analysis Thread 1:Jalal & His Discovery.. - Page 2

Originally posted by: LuvMishalRaheja

Ruquiya begum was akbar first wife and was married to him at the age of fourteen being the first wife of Akbar she was conferrred with the title of Padshah Begum meaning the first lady...she was childless and outlived Akbar she is known for her prominent role in upbringing Shah Jahan...she was given the responsibility of khurram or shah jahan wen he was six days old and she brought him like her own son...she had a great bond with Jahengir (son of Jodha) and jahengir had stated her importance in his life in several occassions...despite of being childless she was devoted wife of Akbar and her status remained unmatched but her marital relation with akbar was bittersweet ...her relation with Akbar's other wife were good infact.ruquia and akbar second wife were childhood friends and they grew together and shared a deep bond... her relation with the Rajput princess were rather cold... after giving birth to salim Akbar overlooked her claim as the first wife and elevated Jodha to the position of Empress...neglected and dejected she was driven to despair and lived in the palace looking after the responbility of the palace...it was in the old age Akbar realized his mistake. He even regretted to have ever taken another wife apart from Ruqaiya, and even recommended monogamy, in his middle age saying, "To seek more than one wife is to work one's own undoing. In case she the wife were barren or bore no son, it might then be expedient. thus clearly indicates his reason for polygamy was to have a heir for his throne...and she played a great role in reconciling salim and akbar in later year of his life...histoirans belive tht Ruquiya Begum and Rajput Princess remained hostile towards each other till the end😊 (though there is no strong evidence tht supports the claim)

hamida banu begam didnt have much influence in the court as she spent most of our life travelling with her husband leaving Akbar in the custody of MAHAMANGA and later on devoted herself to islam...she was a religious lady 😳

Some people should really do some serious studies before making a comment. 😆

If any one wanna know the sources of my informations, I can give it too. 😃

Hi friends,

Oh my God, this serial has got everything I love rolled into one! How can I not be in love with it?

I love stories where the man is a real man, but a bit rough at the edges. I love the idea that a woman's love can soften him up to become a real man with a tender side. I love historical stories of kings and queens. I love the grandeur of their lives as public figures as a backdrop to the real human emotions inside them as people. I love stories where I can totally identify with the woman in the story, her values, her opinions, her personality and her potential for unleashing her subtle power on the people around her. But most of all I love stories where I can totally, unreservedly, unashamedly fall in love myself with the man at the centre of it all. So first up let me say that Jodha-Akbar is a story where I see myself as a hidden actor standing in the middle of all this, deeply in love with the Jalal, and instead of just being a viewer of the serial, I feel as if I am also one of the characters inside the serial. I have never felt such a deep and wonderful connect with any serial before, so I am myself surprised at how much I am affected by this one!

Three things that struck me after watching two weeks of episodes …

Instead of doing an analysis episode by episode, I want instead to highlight three things that have struck me at a macro level watching this serial …

1. The backgrounds of Jodha and Akbar seem to be a contrast to their own personalities

What I mean here is that the Rajputs seem to be a contrast to Jodha herself. And the Mughals seem a contrast to Jalal himself. Let me explain …

Let's take Jalal first. He is portryed in this serial as well as in history as a young but blood-thirsty war-minded boy-man, lusting for the cut-and thrust of vanquishing enemies, extending the frontiers of his kingdom and wanting to conquer anything and everything that takes his fancy. In all this he is also portrayed as a man without heart (and he himself is made to believe he has no heart). Yet if you look beyond this outward image of Jalal, you can see that there is not even a trace of manipulativeness in his personality. He is unashamedly ruthlessly straightforward. Now look at the coterie around him. There is a triumvirate of Mahamanga-Bairam Khan-Ruqqaiya, all of whom are at loggerheads with each other, but quite united in ensuring that Jalal is never given a taste of his own heart, he is separated from his real mother who can show him what real love is, he is ruled by manipulation that uses loyalty and guilt as weapons to control him, and he is always kept war-hungry and harem-hungry so that his heart does not wander and find true love that can change him (and thus change the fortunes of the coterie as well!). If you notice carefully, Jalal's family and extended family (the coterie) is exactly the opposite of what he is. He is straightforward and without a single bent bone in his body. They are all with hidden agendas and crooked as crooked can be.

Now let's take Jodha and her family. They are again a story of contrasts. Jodha is soft and polite but inwardly firece and fearless. She is able to summon up courage before events overrun her, and so she is ever ready to stand up in the cause of righteousness, fairplay, conviction, and strength of heart. She is portrayed in the serial and in history as one who knows what is right from wrong, one who is ever ready to take up just causes and one who is also ready to give her heart unreservedly to anyone she admires for their valour, honesty, sincerity and in justified need. Now look at her family. It is full of valourous-sounding kings and princes who are speaking high words like "yudh" and "Mughals ka sar kaatna" but just yesterday we saw how even before war is declared, they are all so full of defensive fear of war that they are practising their swordplay with feverish intent - which in itself seems to show a sense of outward bravado but inward feeling of unpreparedness. (The Mughals too are talking war but I did not see any of them moving a muscle to "practice"!) The contrast I see here is between Jodha's ever-readiness to "wage war against injustice" versus the Rajput youths "sense of lower self-esteem and under-preparedness for a real war of righteousness".

I don't know how many of you agree with me on this, but I feel as if both Jodha and Akbar are standing all alone amidst their clans because they are standing apart from their clans in values!

2. The personal journeys of Jodha and Akbar towards love for each other may take interesting routes:

I am very very keen to see how both Jodha and Akbar take their different paths towards love for each other. My guess is this:

Jodha is currently ruled by a deep hatred for Jalal, especially because she thinks his whole clan must be just like him – ruthless, barbaric and without the finer sentiments of life. But when she goes to his home after marriage she is going to get a true taste of how his family members and coterie have deliberately kept him away from tasting genuine love – they are offering him feigned loyalty, feigned support, mind-based ego-massaging, every kind of physical comfort, and stoking his blood-thristiness and ambition - while they are all seemingly conspiring against allowing him to taste real love or heart-to-heart bonding with anyone. Jodha will soon discover that despite being surrounded by battalions of clansmen and women, Jalal is a man in bleak loneliness. He not only lacks love but he has no idea even what is love since he has never been allowed to taste it. So Jodha's journey to love may go from hatred with a passion, to deep empathy with Jalal's loneliness, friendship and companionship, to love and a melting of her heart.

Jalal is currently filled with a deep need to "own Jodha" and his imagination is limited to making her the star of his harem. When she starts laying conditions on him that she wants to continue her religion and wants a Krishna mandir in her own apartments, and she will not give herself to intimacy with him till she's ready, he will realise that she cannot be kept with the rest of the harem, and I feel he will no doubt give her her own quarters away from the women's battalion. This physical separation of Jodha from the rest of the clan may kindle feelings in Jalal that she is different from the rest and her fierceness has a flip side of softness and compassion which he has never seen before. Jalal's journey to love may go from "ownership ambition", to curiosity about her different-ness from others, to an appreciation of the values she stands for which are about soft strength, and then to a melting of his heart as he realises that he too has a corner in his own heart with similar soft strengths!

3. This story is about "eyes that spark" and "voices that soften"

One of the things I was most taken by in the two weeks of watching this serial is that the eyes and the voices of the two main characters are very very unique and wonderful to experience.

Jalal's eyes are deep-set and shrewd and they keep dancing on his face with every nuance of emotion he feels. His eyes question and seek answers, his look is penetrative and sharp, and most often they are filled with the light of ambition and raw power. But every now and then they suddenly soften and we see a fleeting glimpse of hidden emotionality in them (when he is talking about Jodha's beauty, taking to his sister or maybe even Ruqqiaya). Jodha's eyes seem large and limpid, her gaze is steady and soft, and even when she is angry, the anger does not quite overshadow the gentleness in her eyes. There is strength in them but not calculation. Everytime Jalal and Jodha look at each other there is a subtle change that comes over their eyes. Remember that scene outside the jail, when Jodha suddenly turns and sees the guard's face and remembers him as the man of the reflection in the water. Did you see that subtle shift of the eyes, and that spark that lit them up for a second when she looked directly at him? And then when she asks him where he is from he answers with head bowed down but then suddenly looks at her and says "There can be Mughals everywhere!". Did you see the spark in his eyes as he boldly looks straight into her eyes? One of the best things about this serial is that we may not get the standard deadpan "eyelocks" but instead we may get "shooting sparks of electric intensity".

The other thing to notice is the voice quality. Jalal's voice has me mesmerised. Such a tough exterior, such a he-man, and yet such a boyish tinge to his voice. It is melting me up totally. And as for Jodha, a voice that is usually mature and wise, but suddenly becomes young and coy. I am watching repeat after repeat of the same episodes and their mature faces and bodies contrasted with their youngish voices are giving me gooseflesh! I love the timbre of both.

OK let me end this thesis with these thoughts …

My greatest moments so far:

1. Her palanquin is announced and he turns his head with a compulsion driving him to get his first glimse of her at the Gangaur festival. Oh what a dreamy moment that was! It ws destiny at play …

2. When Abdul says Jalal should have eloped with Jodha instead of rescuing him, Jalal says "That would be like giving her too much ehmiyat". What he meant was "She has already too much ehmiyat in my mind and heart!"

My worst moments so far:

3. Desperate overacting by the Shakuni Bai (looks like a creature from this "Savithri" serial about the netherworld demons).

4. Desperate overacting by the unnecessary harem … hopefully we'll see less of them if Jodha is housed far away from them. And hopefully Ruqqaiya will be fully occupied as policewoman of the harem so that Jalal can concentrate on Jodha 100% of the time.

And finally, a word of praise for Ekta:

We are all so used to cursing Ekta that we must redress ourselves to giving praise where it is due. So far at least (fingers crossed), she has scripted and directed this serial with real elegance at least 90% of the time. The romantic episode of Jodha-Akbar meeting at the Gangaur festival was really very beautifully done. I could find nothing to complain, and I was surprised that it was so.

I know we are all eternally afraid of Ekta's isdiosyncracies, so better to be cautious. But let us also praise her when she does right so that our feedback encourages this trend to continue.

Originally posted by: skanda12

Hi friends,

I couldn't wait to read all your takes on this Weekly Analysis Thread, and I think Jyoti has opened the floodgates with a super-bumper take that has covered all bases. There's so much I want to pour out here that I don't know where to begin ' anyway, here goes '

Oh my God, this serial has got everything I love rolled into one! How can I not be in love with it?

I love stories where the man is a real man, but a bit rough at the edges. I love the idea that a woman's love can soften him up to become a real man with a tender side. I love historical stories of kings and queens. I love the grandeur of their lives as public figures as a backdrop to the real human emotions inside them as people. I love stories where I can totally identify with the woman in the story, her values, her opinions, her personality and her potential for unleashing her subtle power on the people around her. But most of all I love stories where I can totally, unreservedly, unashamedly fall in love myself with the man at the centre of it all. So first up let me say that Jodha-Akbar is a story where I see myself as a hidden actor standing in the middle of all this, deeply in love with the Jalal, and instead of just being a viewer of the serial, I feel as if I am also one of the characters inside the serial. I have never felt such a deep and wonderful connect with any serial before, so I am myself surprised at how much I am affected by this one!

i liked ds line too much😳man is a real man👏

Three things that struck me after watching two weeks of episodes '

Instead of doing an analysis episode by episode, I want instead to highlight three things that have struck me at a macro level watching this serial '

1. The backgrounds of Jodha and Akbar seem to be a contrast to their own personalities

What I mean here is that the Rajputs seem to be a contrast to Jodha herself. And the Mughals seem a contrast to Jalal himself. Let me explain '

Let's take Jalal first. He is portryed in this serial as well as in history as a young but blood-thirsty war-minded boy-man, lusting for the cut-and thrust of vanquishing enemies, extending the frontiers of his kingdom and wanting to conquer anything and everything that takes his fancy. In all this he is also portrayed as a man without heart (and he himself is made to believe he has no heart). Yet if you look beyond this outward image of Jalal, you can see that there is not even a trace of manipulativeness in his personality. He is unashamedly ruthlessly straightforward. Now look at the coterie around him. There is a triumvirate of Mahamanga-Bairam Khan-Ruqqaiya, all of whom are at loggerheads with each other, but quite united in ensuring that Jalal is never given a taste of his own heart, he is separated from his real mother who can show him what real love is, he is ruled by manipulation that uses loyalty and guilt as weapons to control him, and he is always kept war-hungry and harem-hungry so that his heart does not wander and find true love that can change him (and thus change the fortunes of the coterie as well!). If you notice carefully, Jalal's family and extended family (the coterie) is exactly the opposite of what he is. He is straightforward and without a single bent bone in his body. They are all with hidden agendas and crooked as crooked can be.

i agree wd u...jalaal is so diffrnt frm his family...all hs family members want to overpower hm just bcoz he is a shehenshah😆

Now let's take Jodha and her family. They are again a story of contrasts. Jodha is soft and polite but inwardly firece and fearless. She is able to summon up courage before events overrun her, and so she is ever ready to stand up in the cause of righteousness, fairplay, conviction, and strength of heart. She is portrayed in the serial and in history as one who knows what is right from wrong, one who is ever ready to take up just causes and one who is also ready to give her heart unreservedly to anyone she admires for their valour, honesty, sincerity and in justified need. Now look at her family. It is full of valourous-sounding kings and princes who are speaking high words like "yudh" and "Mughals ka sar kaatna" but just yesterday we saw how even before war is declared, they are all so full of defensive fear of war that they are practising their swordplay with feverish intent - which in itself seems to show a sense of outward bravado but inward feeling of unpreparedness. (The Mughals too are talking war but I did not see any of them moving a muscle to "practice"!) The contrast I see here is between Jodha's ever-readiness to "wage war against injustice" versus the Rajput youths "sense of lower self-esteem and under-preparedness for a real war of righteousness".

I don't know how many of you agree with me on this, but I feel as if both Jodha and Akbar are standing all alone amidst their clans because they are standing apart from their clans in values!

2. The personal journeys of Jodha and Akbar towards love for each other may take interesting routes:

I am very very keen to see how both Jodha and Akbar take their different paths towards love for each other. My guess is this:

Jodha is currently ruled by a deep hatred for Jalal, especially because she thinks his whole clan must be just like him ' ruthless, barbaric and without the finer sentiments of life. But when she goes to his home after marriage she is going to get a true taste of how his family members and coterie have deliberately kept him away from tasting genuine love ' they are offering him feigned loyalty, feigned support, mind-based ego-massaging, every kind of physical comfort, and stoking his blood-thristiness and ambition - while they are all seemingly conspiring against allowing him to taste real love or heart-to-heart bonding with anyone. Jodha will soon discover that despite being surrounded by battalions of clansmen and women, Jalal is a man in bleak loneliness. He not only lacks love but he has no idea even what is love since he has never been allowed to taste it. So Jodha's journey to love may go from hatred with a passion, to deep empathy with Jalal's loneliness, friendship and companionship, to love and a melting of her heart.

even i wanna see hw will jodha love jalaal...i mena its ekta's show...so...obviously...it will take a year 4 jodha 2 lov jalaal😆bt i wanna see their cute nok jhok

Jalal is currently filled with a deep need to "own Jodha" and his imagination is limited to making her the star of his harem. When she starts laying conditions on him that she wants to continue her religion and wants a Krishna mandir in her own apartments, and she will not give herself to intimacy with him till she's ready, he will realise that she cannot be kept with the rest of the harem, and I feel he will no doubt give her her own quarters away from the women's battalion. This physical separation of Jodha from the rest of the clan may kindle feelings in Jalal that she is different from the rest and her fierceness has a flip side of softness and compassion which he has never seen before. Jalal's journey to love may go from "ownership ambition", to curiosity about her different-ness from others, to an appreciation of the values she stands for which are about soft strength, and then to a melting of his heart as he realises that he too has a corner in his own heart with similar soft strengths!

3. This story is about "eyes that spark" and "voices that soften"

One of the things I was most taken by in the two weeks of watching this serial is that the eyes and the voices of the two main characters are very very unique and wonderful to experience.

Jalal's eyes are deep-set and shrewd and they keep dancing on his face with every nuance of emotion he feels. His eyes question and seek answers, his look is penetrative and sharp, and most often they are filled with the light of ambition and raw power. But every now and then they suddenly soften and we see a fleeting glimpse of hidden emotionality in them (when he is talking about Jodha's beauty, taking to his sister or maybe even Ruqqiaya). Jodha's eyes seem large and limpid, her gaze is steady and soft, and even when she is angry, the anger does not quite overshadow the gentleness in her eyes. There is strength in them but not calculation. Everytime Jalal and Jodha look at each other there is a subtle change that comes over their eyes. Remember that scene outside the jail, when Jodha suddenly turns and sees the guard's face and remembers him as the man of the reflection in the water. Did you see that subtle shift of the eyes, and that spark that lit them up for a second when she looked directly at him? And then when she asks him where he is from he answers with head bowed down but then suddenly looks at her and says "There can be Mughals everywhere!". Did you see the spark in his eyes as he boldly looks straight into her eyes? One of the best things about this serial is that we may not get the standard deadpan "eyelocks" but instead we may get "shooting sparks of electric intensity".

The other thing to notice is the voice quality. Jalal's voice has me mesmerised. Such a tough exterior, such a he-man, and yet such a boyish tinge to his voice. It is melting me up totally. And as for Jodha, a voice that is usually mature and wise, but suddenly becomes young and coy. I am watching repeat after repeat of the same episodes and their mature faces and bodies contrasted with their youngish voices are giving me gooseflesh! I love the timbre of both.

OK let me end this thesis with these thoughts '

My greatest moments so far:

1. Her palanquin is announced and he turns his head with a compulsion driving him to get his first glimse of her at the Gangaur festival. Oh what a dreamy moment that was! It ws destiny at play '

ds ws my fav scene tooo👏

2. When Abdul says Jalal should have eloped with Jodha instead of rescuing him, Jalal says "That would be like giving her too much ehmiyat". What he meant was "She has already too much ehmiyat in my mind and heart!"

yup...abdul is atrue frnd..he knws jalaal vry well😃

My worst moments so far:

3. Desperate overacting by the Shakuni Bai (looks like a creature from this "Savithri" serial about the netherworld demons).

4. Desperate overacting by the unnecessary harem ' hopefully we'll see less of them if Jodha is housed far away from them. And hopefully Ruqqaiya will be fully occupied as policewoman of the harem so that Jalal can concentrate on Jodha 100% of the time.

And finally, a word of praise for Ekta:

We are all so used to cursing Ekta that we must redress ourselves to giving praise where it is due. So far at least (fingers crossed), she has scripted and directed this serial with real elegance at least 90% of the time. The romantic episode of Jodha-Akbar meeting at the Gangaur festival was really very beautifully done. I could find nothing to complain, and I was surprised that it was so.

I know we are all eternally afraid of Ekta's isdiosyncracies, so better to be cautious. But let us also praise her when she does right so that our feedback encourages this trend to continue.

Originally posted by: skanda12

Pratsy: You are rare because you have openly ad boldly said you love Ruqqaiya. When there are competitors to the maini hero and heroine it is difficult to admit that they too are good to watch! By the way, thanks for liking my take!

Originally posted by: skanda12

This is a post to thank everyone for broadening my mind ...

libran90: The Jalal-Ruqqaiya relationship seems to have every other ingredient expcept the most important: Love! Meeting of minds is important but without meeting of hearts, kuch adhuri reh jaati hai!