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Posted: 12 years ago
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For those who think voting is maa baap of everything and it is the only retort...to tell others to vote for their respective fan bases..


Now here is the maths:
constestants stability= vote rank + score rank


Vote rank is relative ranking based on the votes received...so if 6 contestants..then the pne with the highest vote gets a rank 6 and lowest gets a rank 1. Ofcourse if votes are matched then one rnak goes missing..that is..if two people scored highest..then there will be no 5th rank..



Dance rank: as per the scoreboard...if marks are good/highest you get a 6..and so on


Scenario 1: Lesser Fan Base


In this case your marks become more important than the vote.

If someone scores highest in dance and lowest in voting..even then that person has a great chance to get saved.

HOWEVER, this is where the politics lies...

1. There is no way you can confirm voting rank...no way..and on audit processess.(edited due to misinterpretation)..so thats a pure black box...no one knows the truth..you can say that you think x person gets more votes but no way to know for sure...

2. But what u do know for sure is what marks to give that can match with voting rank and still keep a contestant out of danger zone...AND HENCE so many wrong marks were given aways..better performances were scored less than average performances..


So even if you vote for your celeb it wont matter...additionally if you argue or tell others to vote for their fans..it won''t help...BECAUSE by simple mathematics...hukum ka ikka is dance scoreboard here...and not voting..


And hence no wonder..why you always have someone who has scored less than what they deserve...voting comes into play only in exceptional cases...its always the dance scoreboard that decides..


Elementary!



SCENARIO 2: More number of contestants..

1. This is the time when you can afford to give lesser marks...because if you still maintain your contestant in the top slot...even if voting were to be less it would save the contestant...



SO BOTTOMLINE..max dimaag marks dene mein kharachna hai...and to ensure ur contestant remains in the show..u manipulate intelligently and hence these marks..

So people dont get too happy as to why whoever is there is there..Lauren, kids, DD...some examples of colors interest or judges interest...and hence the rationale behind all the undeserving marks...



AND THAT's WHY IT SUCKS TO SEE THIS...Any neutral viewer wud feel cheated...and someone cheating you is never a good feeling...it is frustrating and disgusting..



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Posted: 12 years ago
#2
sorry u lost my attention at the ethical claim on audits done by the big four...i would not go aby further because u hv no knowledge abt how an audit happen...so u shd hv researched before commenting on thr integrity of an audit...
i am an auditor myself so ur lack of awareness makes me wonder abt the rest of the things u wrote
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: leverne

sorry u lost my attention at the ethical claim on audits done by the big four...i would not go aby further because u hv no knowledge abt how an audit happen...so u shd hv researched before commenting on thr integrity of an audit...

i am an auditor myself so ur lack of awareness makes me wonder abt the rest of the things u wrote


I was refering to the great scams that have happened..not to the audit process per se..i myself quote E&Y and KPMGs statistics...but you can't deny that big four has been in a lot of controversies..


however, in context of this posts discussion if you go by my logic..i have not taken false ranking in votes into consideration..infact what i have said is that approx ranks are known giving the production team to play with marks in that range to twist the results in their favour..
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: leverne

sorry u lost my attention at the ethical claim on audits done by the big four...i would not go aby further because u hv no knowledge abt how an audit happen...so u shd hv researched before commenting on thr integrity of an audit...

i am an auditor myself so ur lack of awareness makes me wonder abt the rest of the things u wrote

\\btw, since u r an auditor...have u actually worked in media domain..if you have..my knowledge is that the votes are converted into a relative ranking..it is not taken as an absolute score...

could u explain that bit plz...how or wat relative scales...? does that keep changing..is it linear...?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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i hv not audited the votesor audited any media related company...but just u pointing fingers at the integrity of my profession wasbt right...abd as far as the scams are concerned...it was a one off incident at kost...u cant question our integrity just coz of one incident...there are a lot.of doctors eho are fake too but that doesnt stop us from trust doctors right?
same way an audit by a big 4is itself enough to prove the authenticity of votes
i m sure u are not related to this profession so ur pointibg fingers isnt right

ps sorry for typos...using fone
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: leverne

i hv not audited the votesor audited any media related company...but just u pointing fingers at the integrity of my profession wasbt right...abd as far as the scams are concerned...it was a one off incident at kost...u cant question our integrity just coz of one incident...there are a lot.of doctors eho are fake too but that doesnt stop us from trust doctors right?

same way an audit by a big 4is itself enough to prove the authenticity of votes
i m sure u are not related to this profession so ur pointibg fingers isnt right

ps sorry for typos...using fone


cool...that wasn't the intention...cynical of the business world as such..ethics is kind of grey area...but i do know given my exp in these firms...not audit per se..but numbers are usually displayed and interpreted in a manner to benefit the client or self..even if that is not the best way out...be it analyst reports on firms ( you know there is a reason why most stocks are always buy šŸ˜›), consulting-market projections..e.tc..

ah shucks..i was actually hoping you wud be able to throw some light on the conversion ratios...but out of curiosity, if you ever come across someone in ur firm or some info on how voting is considered...plz do tell...abt this process..its always a pleasure to know ...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Whatever you said just went over my head..simple language mei explain Karlo please😳 taki muj jaise duffer ke Dimaag mei vi jaye..

So are you saying voting process doesn't count? They're just fooling us?šŸ˜•
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Wicked-Anoshka

Whatever you said just went over my head..simple language mei explain Karlo please😳 taki muj jaise duffer ke Dimaag mei vi jaye..


So are you saying voting process doesn't count? They're just fooling us?šŸ˜•


No what I am saying is...assume sanctity of votes is correct...but voting is not considered in absolute numbers but on a relative scale...so you ( the channel) are more or less aware of the voting ranks..

also, i hv a doubt because i know a few shows usually give this relative scale based on a range too when contestants are more..anyhow..

Now, if a channel has to play politics and save a contestant or watever...their biggest lever is the actual dance score...


Because, for e.g. you know X person will get highest votes..and lets give that person the highest rank 10. But the performance per se deserved 22...which wud put her/him on a lower rank..(1/2/3) and the sum of two ranks wud be less putting him in danger...

Do realize that at the start of the show contestants are more..topmost rank numerically is a big number..so voting will save you..additionally you have more people who are less on votes and performances..so the channel can afford to give lower marks to any candidate who might be of their interest...even if voting is not in her/his favour...because if scores are good..and if voting gets him/her a medium rank too ..that person is saved...also in addition to this..you would want to eliminate threats to your favourite on voting side at this level only...because when #contestants decrease then it gets more difficult..and the major onus is on dance scores..

Now...as contestants reduce..the pressure on maintaining good marks increases..now here it is imperative that you maintain the important contestants high on the dancing scoreboard..because by now you are more or less aware of the voting ranks basis the trend..so you know what marks to give to each to manipulate the ranking table...

Additionally, I am going by fan group logic..that only few contestants were such who have such loving crazy ( good crazy) fans who vote...so for other contestants variance in voting maybe is not that much...meaning you would hv quite a few of them clustered together in terms of vote rank


SO if you hv to play politics...where do you control it?- In marks...by ensuring that relative ranking of the contestant on the dance scoreboard is high and thereby increasing the combined sum of rankings..

Because that also safeguards against any potential voting risks.

And no matter if other people vote for their fan ...and even if they manage to make it the highest..the dance scoreboard would always ditch them...

And that is the reason why for a select few you always see they are maintained at top...lauren given 30/30 initially when she didnt deserve, kids, DD, Sid given higher scores than deserved...and then there are other who are judged harshly unnecessarily...over harshly...and these folks are all good dancers..whose acts wud hv put some of the channel's favs lower on the ranking table pushing them into the bottom cluster

even isha last time...

on the other hand..voting ocming into a play..classic example of that is GC..getting 18 and much lower marks and still getting saved...

( this issue is more prominent when you have lesser contestants...as voting rank benefit is not so strong...and this issue is extremely relevant for top performers when contestants are more..because highest rank will be a bigger number)...

bottom line..you can convert both marks and votes to ranks add them up and get the final ranking for these folks..and u will start to see the trend...and logic behind a lot of things...


So if a person is saved purely on basis of vote strength, that is fair. But that is not happening. People need to see and understand the bigger picture...voting alone can not save you...and dancing marks are being given unfairly...
Edited by enigmatic_zephy - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: enigmatic_zephy

For those who think voting is maa baap of everything and it is the only retort...to tell others to vote for their respective fan bases..



Now here is the maths:
constestants stability= vote rank + score rank


Vote rank is relative ranking based on the votes received...so if 6 contestants..then the pne with the highest vote gets a rank 6 and lowest gets a rank 1. Ofcourse if votes are matched then one rnak goes missing..that is..if two people scored highest..then there will be no 5th rank..



Dance rank: as per the scoreboard...if marks are good/highest you get a 6..and so on


Scenario 1: Lesser Fan Base


In this case your marks become more important than the vote.

If someone scores highest in dance and lowest in voting..even then that person has a great chance to get saved.

HOWEVER, this is where the politics lies...

1. There is no way you can confirm voting rank...no way..and on audit processess..lol..big four are famous for their 'ethical' practices..so thats a pure black box...no one knows the truth..you can say that you think x person gets more votes but no way to know for sure...

2. But what u do know for sure is what marks to give that can match with voting rank and still keep a contestant out of danger zone...AND HENCE so many wrong marks were given aways..better performances were scored less than average performances..


So even if you vote for your celeb it wont matter...additionally if you argue or tell others to vote for their fans..it won''t help...BECAUSE by simple mathematics...hukum ka ikka is dance scoreboard here...and not voting..


And hence no wonder..why you always have someone who has scored less than what they deserve...voting comes into play only in exceptional cases...its always the dance scoreboard that decides..


Elementary!



SCENARIO 2: More number of contestants..

1. This is the time when you can afford to give lesser marks...because if you still maintain your contestant in the top slot...even if voting were to be less it would save the contestant...



SO BOTTOMLINE..max dimaag marks dene mein kharachna hai...and to ensure ur contestant remains in the show..u manipulate intelligently and hence these marks..

So people dont get too happy as to why whoever is there is there..Lauren, kids, DD...some examples of colors interest or judges interest...and hence the rationale behind all the undeserving marks...



AND THAT's WHY IT SUCKS TO SEE THIS...Any neutral viewer wud feel cheated...and someone cheating you is never a good feeling...it is frustrating and disgusting..



@bold - The main problem is that the general perception is that once the numbers are audited then it is 100% accurate. But auditing has never guaranteed that the numbers are 100% "correct"...What audit provides is reasonable assurance that the numbers are true and fair. Further, there are many scopes in audit and the level of assurance provided is also dependent on the scope of audit...And audit is done on based on certain methodology and sampling basis unless the scope actually requires you to look at the whole population (very unlikely cause of many factors mainly time costs and risk)...
And the main important thing is that auditors are not required by the standards to detect fraud...we are just supposed to exercise professional judgement and design audit procedures to give us reasonable assurance to opine on the financials...therefore those accounting scandals may happen
and were undetected by the audit firms but if they have done all the procedures necessary to provide them with sufficient evidence to opine on the financials then the audit firm has discharged its duties appropriately...
Of course those accounting scandals happened also because of independence issues between the audit firms and management of those companies where sometimes the relationship has a huge influence on the opinion provided...But this issue has been addressed and more stringent compliance regulations/rules are introduced by the Board governing the audit firm to ascertain the firms independece...
Personally I feel that the phrase seems to be discrediting the whole audit profession when in fact one does not even fully understand the scope and duties of an auditor...
Edited by MissSkeptic - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: enigmatic_zephy


No what I am saying is...assume sanctity of votes is correct...but voting is not considered in absolute numbers but on a relative scale...so you ( the channel) are more or less aware of the voting ranks..

also, i hv a doubt because i know a few shows usually give this relative scale based on a range too when contestants are more..anyhow..

Now, if a channel has to play politics and save a contestant or watever...their biggest lever is the actual dance score...


Because, for e.g. you know X person will get highest votes..and lets give that person the highest rank 10. But the performance per se deserved 22...which wud put her/him on a lower rank..(1/2/3) and the sum of two ranks wud be less putting him in danger...

Do realize that at the start of the show contestants are more..topmost rank numerically is a big number..so voting will save you..additionally you have more people who are less on votes and performances..so the channel can afford to give lower marks to any candidate who might be of their interest...even if voting is not in her/his favour...because if scores are good..and if voting gets him/her a medium rank too ..that person is saved...also in addition to this..you would want to eliminate threats to your favourite on voting side at this level only...because when #contestants decrease then it gets more difficult..and the major onus is on dance scores..

Now...as contestants reduce..the pressure on maintaining good marks increases..now here it is imperative that you maintain the important contestants high on the dancing scoreboard..because by now you are more or less aware of the voting ranks basis the trend..so you know what marks to give to each to manipulate the ranking table...

Additionally, I am going by fan group logic..that only few contestants were such who have such loving crazy ( good crazy) fans who vote...so for other contestants variance in voting maybe is not that much...meaning you would hv quite a few of them clustered together in terms of vote rank


SO if you hv to play politics...where do you control it?- In marks...by ensuring that relative ranking of the contestant on the dance scoreboard is high and thereby increasing the combined sum of rankings..

Because that also safeguards against any potential voting risks.

And no matter if other people vote for their fan ...and even if they manage to make it the highest..the dance scoreboard would always ditch them...

And that is the reason why for a select few you always see they are maintained at top...lauren given 30/30 initially when she didnt deserve, kids, DD, Sid given higher scores than deserved...and then there are other who are judged harshly unnecessarily...over harshly...and these folks are all good dancers..whose acts wud hv put some of the channel's favs lower on the ranking table pushing them into the bottom cluster

even isha last time...

on the other hand..voting ocming into a play..classic example of that is GC..getting 18 and much lower marks and still getting saved...

( this issue is more prominent when you have lesser contestants...as voting rank benefit is not so strong...and this issue is extremely relevant for top performers when contestants are more..because highest rank will be a bigger number)...

bottom line..you can convert both marks and votes to ranks add them up and get the final ranking for these folks..and u will start to see the trend...and logic behind a lot of things...


So if a person is saved purely on basis of vote strength, that is fair. But that is not happening. People need to see and understand the bigger picture...voting alone can not save you...and dancing marks are being given unfairly...


Thanks so much for explaining that to mešŸ¤— ghar ja kar padungi and will reply..doing grocery..

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