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Posted: 8 years ago
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The thing is we can't compare situation like this with other tv shows because I don't think they've shown a forced marriage quite like this?

I've never seen the 'unmarried' couple take vachans, I'm assuming the bloody sindoor counts for something when they were separated.

There's no precedence. But if we went by their VACHANS and the sindoor then they're married.

But there's no paper to prove it? Ravish & Vividha have signed a document but this was against her will, the consent was tampered with.

Is vividha 'legally' married to anyone in that case?
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Indian television will never change nor the outside world except 0.00000001%people
Ex-i watch every show in starting episodes and then leave it and only from Google I know the story
1)yhm-it was the show for a barren lady but they always insulted her on the name of it and later tried to remove the tag through surrogate baby
2. Shakti . It was to show kinner should get equal right but they ended on a note a sister should be there for second marriage which is illegal
They would have shown aborted baby or in kinner they would have shown her educated and stand up against society and give a message that anyone have equal brain and can lead a life
3..Chandra nandini. .They on the name of nayi soch reduced Chandra image arrested it was not necessary they would have shown true story about anyway leave it
4..Namkaran .. Something they were showing gud that the both lead standing up and making their own future but here one woman not understand another woman plight only and killed and I am sure she will never be jailed and live a peaceful life on the name of showing drama and keeping a villain
5..Swabhiman now in colour started with a IIT iim topper and they gone for marriage seriously a girl with this type of degree will first get job and lead her life own way for sometime and then think about marriage but no
6yrkkh ..One most old show it was ok before I think but now the concept is so bad and especially lead girl always praying in front of elders in sweet tone and telling please and sorry 100 times in one line
I watched jndsd only because of atharva and his real nayi Bali soch I think it was third episode when gunde were reading guddi and telling that she is bearing mini skirt and atharva on that what he said was real nayi wali soch or he is a person who will not point out mistake only but follow it like her clearly said ramakant he has no relation with him and he hate his mother who now even wear sindoor and ms on his name loved it hope this serial maintain the true atharva again when he is back he should have very strong reason to go to vashisht mansion or should not go
In real world what I have experienced till now
1.. firstly starting with my father who loved me given everything more than even my brother but do I really think that he is not that type of person who think women are equal I don't think so when it come to my mother he had not allowed her to do job so that shecan take care of us or he has always asked my mother to do in front of elders this or that if she is not able to do or there is some mistake or she answer someone back she get angry I will not say he treat my mother like shit he love my Mather slot not his partner
He taught me given me full freedom but after that even he want to get me married to a elite boy who is more than me in every field he has even saved dowry for me
So I don't know what to say although a father has given everything to her daughter or he really respect woman slot as he is in army
But could I say my father thinking is different from others no a father love has done everything for his daughter who is a girl but not a person who is in real
2...There is slot cousin sisters of mine and they about all r uneducated and their brothers r getting education but even if you will ask them or complain about their parent they will say something in favour only because of their love for family which make them blind
Not only this they r married on cheap dowry or no dowry to a widow or a physical disabled guy and after marriage they let their parent enjoy that money
3 my sister married a person who was less in status to her then whole society mocked her
I have seen slot type of discrimination in front of my eyes that what I hate I don't know but I seriously want that this should change
My clear fundamentals in life I will do what I will like to do whoever don't like me I don't want to give a shit to them or be near him who will love him I will also give them love you can say jaise KO taisa and I don't want to give a damn to what other think or want because it's my life
Even in this forum there r ravidha fan they r not wrong for being their fan as it's their choice but for their choice they want wrong thing or give wrong reasons without any base more than vikram I like shashank it doesn't means I will support wrong as it should be vividha choice and even it was force marriage why being a fan of someone we will want a show which is trying to show nice and hold concept to demolish it and working like other Indian shows where a girl fall in love with a guy because society love or even their love for ms
Anyway I am not bashing ravidha fan it's only opinion
Because I am very particular about these type of thing because I have seen in front of my eyes these thing happening daily so on the name of only fan I will never side with those thing that demolish a girl to being baby producing or caretaker machine or a machine whose everything is controlled by society
I hope atharva sujata should be what they have shown not become like sujata or even ravish thinking should be like that and support it against his mother but till now I have not seen this type of any scene
You can say how particular I am about this topic and I made such a long post on it
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Since vividha is FL here they simply cannot show her take off the MS like that. So atharv needs to recover and stand by her side when the world opposes. This is purely for drama quotient.
And forcing her to love matter. Ya I too read that. It came from the hospital sequence where she said u came into my life and forced me to see the real me. Ppl surely can misinterpret whatever dialogue we get in many number of ways. Can anyone force to love someone. OK let's assume atharv forced vivi to love her. Now atharv is baby. She is free . Y don't she go to R. Funny isn't it.

In olden days in South men used to wear a ring in middle finger of feet . And women mostly walked with their head bowed down. So if a women desires a men she ll see his feet to see if he is married or not. I saw this scene in a movie. But this is a custom once followed.

Y I am saying this is we live in a men dominated world. They have changed customs and traditions as per their convenience. Who knows how they were 4 generations ago?

So it's not like everything we follow is right and not wrong too. As humans it's least bit courtesy to think once before we act.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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This is my first post in this forum - generally try to stay away from this 'warzone'.😉
What I really want to say is that a person truly values something when it is of their own choice and free will - whether it's marriage or other life choices. It then becomes sacred, if you will.

When something is forced on a person then nothing about that situation is ever sacred.

Marriage, no matter where or which culture it is, becomes binding and scared when the two person involved go into it with a open mind and heart, agreeable and acceptable to the whole constitution of marriage.

Re the topic, IMHO child marriage is NOT a marriage. It is something down to keep one party subservient and oppressed, their free will and life choices taken away.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: gaushiv13

Indian television will never change nor the outside world except 0.00000001%people

Ex-i watch every show in starting episodes and then leave it and only from Google I know the story
1)yhm-it was the show for a barren lady but they always insulted her on the name of it and later tried to remove the tag through surrogate baby
2. Shakti . It was to show kinner should get equal right but they ended on a note a sister should be there for second marriage which is illegal
They would have shown aborted baby or in kinner they would have shown her educated and stand up against society and give a message that anyone have equal brain and can lead a life
3..Chandra nandini. .They on the name of nayi soch reduced Chandra image arrested it was not necessary they would have shown true story about anyway leave it
4..Namkaran .. Something they were showing gud that the both lead standing up and making their own future but here one woman not understand another woman plight only and killed and I am sure she will never be jailed and live a peaceful life on the name of showing drama and keeping a villain
5..Swabhiman now in colour started with a IIT iim topper and they gone for marriage seriously a girl with this type of degree will first get job and lead her life own way for sometime and then think about marriage but no
6yrkkh ..One most old show it was ok before I think but now the concept is so bad and especially lead girl always praying in front of elders in sweet tone and telling please and sorry 100 times in one line
I watched jndsd only because of atharva and his real nayi Bali soch I think it was third episode when gunde were reading guddi and telling that she is bearing mini skirt and atharva on that what he said was real nayi wali soch or he is a person who will not point out mistake only but follow it like her clearly said ramakant he has no relation with him and he hate his mother who now even wear sindoor and ms on his name loved it hope this serial maintain the true atharva again when he is back he should have very strong reason to go to vashisht mansion or should not go
In real world what I have experienced till now
1.. firstly starting with my father who loved me given everything more than even my brother but do I really think that he is not that type of person who think women are equal I don't think so when it come to my mother he had not allowed her to do job so that shecan take care of us or he has always asked my mother to do in front of elders this or that if she is not able to do or there is some mistake or she answer someone back she get angry I will not say he treat my mother like shit he love my Mather slot not his partner
He taught me given me full freedom but after that even he want to get me married to a elite boy who is more than me in every field he has even saved dowry for me
So I don't know what to say although a father has given everything to her daughter or he really respect woman slot as he is in army
But could I say my father thinking is different from others no a father love has done everything for his daughter who is a girl but not a person who is in real
2...There is slot cousin sisters of mine and they about all r uneducated and their brothers r getting education but even if you will ask them or complain about their parent they will say something in favour only because of their love for family which make them blind
Not only this they r married on cheap dowry or no dowry to a widow or a physical disabled guy and after marriage they let their parent enjoy that money
3 my sister married a person who was less in status to her then whole society mocked her
I have seen slot type of discrimination in front of my eyes that what I hate I don't know but I seriously want that this should change
My clear fundamentals in life I will do what I will like to do whoever don't like me I don't want to give a shit to them or be near him who will love him I will also give them love you can say jaise KO taisa and I don't want to give a damn to what other think or want because it's my life
Even in this forum there r ravidha fan they r not wrong for being their fan as it's their choice but for their choice they want wrong thing or give wrong reasons without any base more than vikram I like shashank it doesn't means I will support wrong as it should be vividha choice and even it was force marriage why being a fan of someone we will want a show which is trying to show nice and hold concept to demolish it and working like other Indian shows where a girl fall in love with a guy because society love or even their love for ms
Anyway I am not bashing ravidha fan it's only opinion
Because I am very particular about these type of thing because I have seen in front of my eyes these thing happening daily so on the name of only fan I will never side with those thing that demolish a girl to being baby producing or caretaker machine or a machine whose everything is controlled by society
I hope atharva sujata should be what they have shown not become like sujata or even ravish thinking should be like that and support it against his mother but till now I have not seen this type of any scene
You can say how particular I am about this topic and I made such a long post on it




I haven't seen all the shows you've mentioned but I heard they killed Barkha Bisht's character off?? So the whole thing about not needing a man/husband/father to maintain a respectable position in society goes out of the window. PMHMD, I actually really loved the promos of that because Naina was asking her mother why do only women have an expiry date for marriage and not guys? So I thought they'll show this independent woman but they showed a forced marriage in that too and so early! So ultimately the original thought process shown in the initial promos goes for a toss.

There's nothing wrong in liking Ravidha, if you see chemistry between them and like them as a pair that's fine, it's your choice BUT to refuse Vividha's desires to be with the man she truly loves and secretly hoping HDDCS happens is basically you saying that you're ok with this forced marriage. The people who are hung up on that film are going to be hugely disappointed but anyway the show will go the way the makers have always intended to take it.

This is something I feel about strongly myself beyond the realms of shipping a pair. That's why I just don't watch or support shows which are saying 'it's forced but they'll fall in love' anymore and when it comes to JNDSD where the lovers were so brutally torn apart...it would shock any viewer ultimately if they don't end up together!

As a woman, as a human it should bother everyone with a conscious.

P.S. It's sad what you've had to witness in real and these are actual examples where people think it's OK to use their culture/religion and even caste trump cards to destroy people's lives! NO-ONE has a right to tell you what to do and what not to do with your life!
Edited by *Reemz* - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: janvi0513

@gahushiv13 am a big fan of yrkkh and kaira lead couple is my fav. I have never heard Naira apologizing 100 times in one sentence unnecessarily.

I was also a. Yrkkh forum before but for now I shave stopped participating
When she was talking to dadi on shagun day or kundli day she can simply put her opinion but she will fold her hand and mujhe maaf kat dijiyega kripya totally sudh Hindi and it's very low tone I simply am not able to go with that voice or teh way goenka r shown even the main lead kartik is giving big leacture but why he not stand up for his sister
I have never said that these thing r wrong but I am not able to mainly like naira that tone of voice which she use infront of dadi and the way now sighanis r not able to voice their opinions
I have not watched akshra time alot but I have somewhat idea that there was no such thing
I have started to watch yrkkh from this naira or you can say Laura about whole episode I have watched but stopped it about for now due to that dadi or naira that voice tone in front of dadi or kartik not standing for his sister
But all in all there is complain for yrkkh it's really a lovely show everything is perfect in that
There is nothing to point out mistake I have only mentioned every show so I have written what I have not liked now due to which I stopped watching
Once again I want to clear that I have not complained about it anything
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Reemz*




I haven't seen all the shows you've mentioned but I heard they killed Barkha Bisht's character off?? So the whole thing about not needing a man/husband/father to maintain a respectable position in society goes out of the window. PMHMD, I actually really loved the promos of that because Naina was asking her mother why do only women have an expiry date for marriage and not guys? So I thought they'll show this independent woman but they showed a forced marriage in that too and so early! So ultimately the original thought process shown in the initial promos goes for a toss.

There's nothing wrong in liking Ravidha, if you see chemistry between them and like them as a pair that's fine, it's your choice BUT to refuse Vividha's desires to be with the man she truly loves and secretly hoping HDDCS happens is basically you saying that you're ok with this forced marriage. The people who are hung up on that film are going to be hugely disappointed but anyway the show will go the way the makers have always intended to take it.

This is something I feel about strongly myself beyond the realms of shipping a pair. That's why I just don't watch or support shows which are saying 'it's forced but they'll fall in love' anymore and when it comes to JNDSD where the lovers were so brutally torn apart...it would shock any viewer ultimately if they don't end up together!

As a woman, as a human it should bother everyone with a conscious.

Seriously yaar pmhmd is a huge a disappointed I was not able to watch even 1 episodes
And now a lecturer of English has turned into servent
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sweetygirl28

Since vividha is FL here they simply cannot show her take off the MS like that. So atharv needs to recover and stand by her side when the world opposes. This is purely for drama quotient.

And forcing her to love matter. Ya I too read that. It came from the hospital sequence where she said u came into my life and forced me to see the real me. Ppl surely can misinterpret whatever dialogue we get in many number of ways. Can anyone force to love someone. OK let's assume atharv forced vivi to love her. Now atharv is baby. She is free . Y don't she go to R. Funny isn't it.

In olden days in South men used to wear a ring in middle finger of feet . And women mostly walked with their head bowed down. So if a women desires a men she ll see his feet to see if he is married or not. I saw this scene in a movie. But this is a custom once followed.

Y I am saying this is we live in a men dominated world. They have changed customs and traditions as per their convenience. Who knows how they were 4 generations ago?

So it's not like everything we follow is right and not wrong too. As humans it's least bit courtesy to think once before we act.




That's why I'm not even bothered about her wearing the MS & sindoor because I know it's for dramatic purposes! Atharv needs to see that she's married too, there's a whole revelation there which is a high point!

Men made these customs and we women just followed them. Where has God wrote down such customs? Any evidence? Nope! It's all age-old man created traditions!
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dreamygal301

This is my first post in this forum - generally try to stay away from this 'warzone'.😉

What I really want to say is that a person truly values something when it is of their own choice and free will - whether it's marriage or other life choices. It then becomes sacred, if you will.

When something is forced on a person then nothing about that situation is ever sacred.

Marriage, no matter where or which culture it is, becomes binding and scared when the two person involved go into it with a open mind and heart, agreeable and acceptable to the whole constitution of marriage.

Re the topic, IMHO child marriage is NOT a marriage. It is something down to keep one party subservient and oppressed, their free will and life choices taken away.



Where have we come across each other before? I'm sure we have interacted before but my memory's rubbish :(

Completely agree. At the end of the day, any relationship, any institution becomes valid and sacred only when you truly accept it from the heart. Without that validation, it's just something the society has stamped on you and no offence, that society isn't going to fix my issues when I have them. It's just going to look from far and make snarky remarks! No thanks :)

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