At what age is a MS & Sindoor sacred? - Page 5

Where have we come across each other before? I'm sure we have interacted before but my memory's rubbish :( Quite a few forums in the past😊. Nowadays I don't comment, people get too aggro and forget that at the end of the day it's just a fictional show. Being a writer I know the characters can go any way the writers of the show (who is led by the popular demo btw) want but it's especially frustrating to see these writers don't follow the proper story structure!!

Completely agree. At the end of the day, any relationship, any institution becomes valid and sacred only when you truly accept it from the heart. Without that validation, it's just something the society has stamped on you and no offence, that society isn't going to fix my issues when I have them. It's just going to look from far and make snarky remarks! No thanks :) So so true. Bit shocked at how retro some people still think. We should celebrate free will and individual choice, especially for female because even though we are in the 21st C now majority are still oppressed.

Originally posted by: Dreamygal301

Where have we come across each other before? I'm sure we have interacted before but my memory's rubbish :( <font color="#000099">Quite a few forums in the past😊.Nowadays I don't comment, people get too aggro and forget that at the end of the day it's just a fictional show. Being a writer I know the characters can go any way the writers of the show (who is led by the popular demo btw) want but it's especially frustrating to see these writers don't follow the proper story structure!!</font>

Completely agree. At the end of the day, any relationship, any institution becomes valid and sacred only when you truly accept it from the heart. Without that validation, it's just something the society has stamped on you and no offence, that society isn't going to fix my issues when I have them. It's just going to look from far and make snarky remarks! No thanks :) <font color="#000099">So so true. Bit shocked at how retro some people still think. We should celebrate free will and individual choice, especially for female because even though we are in the 21st C now majority are still oppressed.</font>

Yes and I remember you being a writer too! This forum gets a bit too personal at times.

100% agree that shows can go anywhere anytime hence I hate the term endgame lol! But still I feel in JNDSD in particular they do have a vision. You don't talk about society and show such kind of soulmate love for no reason. If this show is to stand out then they must come out of the concept of compromised marriages. That's how I see it otherwise it's going to be forgotten.

As writer can write anything and can make story from it then it's not his duty to show something which should awaken the thoughts of old generation as zeetv colours or starplus is is mainly watched by Indian old lady whom we say trouble trp aunty

Originally posted by: gaushiv13

As writer can write anything and can make story from it then it's not his duty to show something which should awaken the thoughts of old generation as zeetv colours or starplus is is mainly watched by Indian old lady whom we say trouble trp aunty

And if it's real or reel it affect them alot it affects society alot

We r educated and enjoyed outside world so understand all these but they r still stuck

Eg shaktiman was banned because children used to do the same watching that so it's a big example of how television affects people in reality

The reel life affect the real life

Anyway I would not want to get to much personal

But this is not personal

So through television they can change thinking of old generation because everyone don't have that much power to fight with everyone

It's not so easy to change though is it? We've been fed forced marriages for years now and the ratings go up. It's the norm! Maybe the aunties like to fantasize something beautiful coming out of an otherwise horrendous concept, I don't know!

That's why with JNDSD they cant suddenly snap Vividha out of it. She has two sides : the guilt ridden girl who cares for everyone and the other which she keeps for herself only and that's her love for Atharv.

Forced marriages, child marriages, marital rape etc. are not only crimes against women but also serious human rights violations. Nothing debatable about that.

Originally posted by: *Reemz*

It's not so easy to change though is it? We've been fed forced marriages for years now and the ratings go up. It's the norm! Maybe the aunties like to fantasize something beautiful coming out of an otherwise horrendous concept, I don't know!

That's why with JNDSD they cant suddenly snap Vividha out of it. She has two sides : the guilt ridden girl who cares for everyone and the other which she keeps for herself only and that's her love for Atharv.

Originally posted by: 13thwish

Forced marriages, child marriages, marital rape etc. are not only crimes against women but also serious human rights violations. Nothing debatable about that.

However, your post really got me thinking about how forced marriages are so easily accepted in the reel world. Why is it that well-educated people who wouldn't hesitate to condemn something they read in a newspaper (cuz it's real) would consider the same thing "entertainment" if it were shown in a daily soap (cuz it's reel)??!😕

Perhaps it is the way these concepts are presented in these shows. They give a lot of build up to the forced marriage and even go to extraordinary lengths to justify it. Both characters are introduced separately, then made to seem like they belong with each other and then bam! the forced marriage is slyly slipped in like it's a minor obstacle for the "couple" and not a major crime against humanity.

By this point, the audience is so enamored with the jodi that they ignore the repercussions of this heinous act.

In that sense, I'm really proud of JNDSD for not taking the clichd route so far.

The storylines of JNDSD have been a mess in sooo many ways. However, I will always appreciate the CVs for two things:

1) They never shied away from showing the brutal aspects of a forced marriage. The violence, the suffering, the pain.

And

2) They never tried to romanticize such a marriage, because in no way, shape or form can such a circumstance be considered romantic.

Only people who have not actually witnessed Vivi's journey from the beginning could fail to empathize with her.

Luckily for us, the TRP audience have and so far, they do. No wonder, even her "bold" and "asanskari" actions have been so well-received.😛😆

Hello there Wish!

I think it is the presentation of forced marriages. They romanticise them way too much, I admit I have enjoyed love stories in the past with that slightly forced angle but they weren't ever BRUTAL and I was never adamant on them falling in love if they clearly didn't love each other! It's bizarre!! JNDSD actually portrayed the brutality of separating two lovers and then marrying the girl off to a stranger. To anyone watching, it would look like a heinious crime!

Here the girl is CLEARLY saying I love the man I've always loved, she's so clear but people can't accept that she should be with that man. Why? It's her choice! Why should those black beads restricted what she's always wanted. She doesn't wish for anything but HIM.

Originally posted by: gaushiv13

You are right that a forced marriage thing always make rating high

And even writers and director justify it

In recent there was article in India forum when gul khan was bashed for forced marriage and she given justification on Twitter it is working for trp and it really worked now ishqbaaz has came on top ten

So I think there is no point of talking on this

It said that if one people will change then only others will try

If everyone will think why I should why I should then it will never changed change

It's like kal Kare so aaj kar pal mein pralaya hogi

And that why I am saying that we the people who r aware of this should take some firm stand to change it

I have mentioned in previous post that if all show will be other than SAS bahu crap then these trp aunty will have limited choice and they will watch the sanest show and will get something from it

So one has to start these as ekta and rs r two who will never change but if some show like jndsd is trying to shows then we should support them

I never give a damn to any show on the name of fovortism

Actors like Vivian or rajat r my favourite but I can never watch Chandra or shakti

Even the lead divyanka or dhrasti or kritika are my favourite but I can never watch yhm now or a single episode of pmhmd or kasam

Never I will become ravidha fan because I shashank is also in my favourite actor list never ever will try to justify these thing

Anyway it's my opinion my view or my everything not forcing on anyone only giving my opinion

In real life I am also like this like I have said in previous post that I love my father or he has given me everything or even he is giving now but it doesn't mean I will not point his mistake where he has mistaken my mother or his thought is wrong I will put forth my opinion firmly that's it and not only that I will even take appropriate action and if anyone not support then I will not give a damn to them I know it's easy for me as I am independent but it is not the same case with everyone

Here everyone is saying what atharva will pay in return to ravish he will by taking vividha away in my view because Vivi not love him likewise anyone will say that I should be obliged to my father and should pay for which he has done then in my view I am paying as he has taught me for this only not to become a victim of society

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How do news channels get ratings? When do they the most? When they have some big tragedy, some terror attack or something of the sort on a large scale. That's when they get their TRPS but does that mean we agree with these things happening? No! Do they make these crimes correct? No! So why portray a crime like forced marriage as something romantic when it actually scars lives forever!

Agree about parents. We disagree with them too, it doesn't mean we don't love them. Everyone has their OWN CHOICE, OWN DESIRE and why should anyone else tell you how to lead your own life? It makes no sense!

If there is no feeling behind putting on a Mangalsutra or sindhoor, it holds no meaning! it's just a thread and colored powder, on the other hand if there is feeling & no Mangalsutra or sindhoor it still does not change what you feel. It's the wearer's feelings that provide meaning to Mangalsutra or sindhoor.

Originally posted by: FortunaMajor

If there is no feeling behind putting on a Mangalsutra or sindhoor, it holds no meaning! it's just a thread and colored powder, on the other hand if there is feeling & no Mangalsutra or sindhoor it still does not change what you feel. It's the wearer's feelings that provide meaning to Mangalsutra or sindhoor.

Hence for me, a person's feeling is more sacred than what they are wearing around their neck or on their forehead.

We created rituals, we created mangalsutra & sindhoor however our feelings come with us, they simply cannot created & destroyed at will.

we all talk about the sanctity of marriage but just look at our epics, Radha Krishna were not married, but only their name is taken together we don't really hear people say Rukmini Krishna or Sathyabhama Krishna do we?

one of our ancient marriage type- The Gandharva style did not require any symbols, the only important thing was the consent of the Bride & Groom.

It is laughable that people are placing this above another person's feeling.

TBH, I will admit that if I have to get married tomorrow, I wouldn't know what my own marriage vows would mean, unless I do a quick google search because as far as I know Hindu Marriage Vows are in sanskrit which is no longer spoken as a language of communication! May be the priest usually explains it to the Bride & Groom I am not sure, But what are vows that you can't understand or relate to?Thousands of years ago people in India lived differently now, How can same vows apply to us? I feel Just like our Vows, the importance of MS & Sindhoor is outdated too. We need a change, not necessarily in terms of rituals but in terms of thoughts, which is to place a person's feelings above rituals or customs.

Ahhh this is so BANG ON!

You go on about how the sanctity of marriage has been destroyed but have no problem bowing in front of RadhaKrishna who never actually 'married'.

You say the pheras, mangalsutra and sindoor are important but do you even know why they're relevant and what they stand for? If you respect the institution so much then learn the meaning behind each mantra, each phera and each ornament!

The Hindu marital vows as the currently stand are outdated and very much sexist hence Vitharv had their own VACHANS of EQUALITY! Such a beautiful idea.

Mann ka pati may be a term of mockery for some but if you think about it, what you desire should override your need to please others.