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Arpita, I understand all of that completely. No ambiguity.

I was only responding to people saying he will take responsibility publicly and there is no evidence of that. This was in relation to people saying Khushi will be humiliated in public if people come to know Arnav is the father. That she would be looked upon by the public as infertile because in ten years of marriage they had no children.

My point is if Manali, Arnav and Aman do their jobs as in the past, Khushi would never have to suffer this further humiliation based on the premise there was a pregnancy. If and when Arnav tells her, the gut wrenching agony will be bad enough without the public humiliation which would touch all facets of them and their families’ lives. That’s where I am coming from. I am only responding to what people posted in that regard.

Originally posted by: bakwas_serial

Arpita,

I wanted to respond to your note about comments in last thread. The thread got closed and then could not find it.

I saw you tagged me while explaining Arnav's reaction to La etc to Swati.

1. His lack of "initial "reaction to IUD news was part of my comments too. And we both have gone back and forth on it.

My comment was all about his first gut reaction.

Somehow your recollection what you wrote is different than what is actually in that update

Here is what you wrote

"

What am I looking at?” Arnav said, picking up a file from the dashboard while Aman drove on. The file wasn’t marked or named.

“Lavanya Kashyap’s history and geography” Aman responded in a no-nonsense tone.

“What?” Arnav said as his hands stopped before opening the file.

“She isn’t pregnant. She got an IUD just a couple of months ago and also…” Aman said, his eyes steady on the road but his words shaking.

“Wait!” Arnav exclaimed. “You went around snooping someone’s medical history?”

“Your secretary didn’t go snooping around someone’s medical history” Aman replied in a deadpan voice. “Khushi Bhabhi’s brother did” and Arnav was effectively made to shut up.

“As I was saying. I still wanted to be hundred percent sure. She has had an abortion a few months ago. The report she showed you was the same report with dates changed”

Arnav’s mind first went blank with absolute and utter relief before wanes upon waves of anger came crashing down. "

As you can see he did know it was La.. Aman was taking about not someone.

Even then he said you snooped..no anger. He just shuts up after Aman saying not your employee but Khushi's brother. And also his anger came much later.

2. It is clear to you as a writer how you see your characters, Arnav. La. Khushi,Manali. You know their actions and thoughts in future we don't.

This story was written till last few chapters where infidelity took center stage. It was intended to be..it is only now we know that Arnav hated La too not just Manali (new year's party his thought was added..it was not there before).

So even if we know this ..his conversation with Manali when she threatens him(happens after iud reveal), and he ask La is aware of it or La wants a serious relationship (you called it as he is taking a dig at Manali) will be lost to a reader.

It gets too muddled. You are left thinking he hates Manali but it should also be La.

We are suppose to connect the dots..and understand now her .

it is kind of hard, when nothing is said explicitly by him.

I am no writer and you have written not short but very detailed long updates. Some very amazing chapters that had many of us very emotional. And have been praised and complimented.

Hope this helps you understand my comment as a reader.

Thanks Shraddha, I wasn't in a mood to re-read but I remember his reaction to La's medical reports was mortifying. Completely unacceptable. It clearly comes across as he is concerned about La and forgotten Khushi completely. What he thinks about La is immaterial here, his first priority has to be his wife, himself and his own family and he failed here too. Aman's loyalty and priority is Khushi and it shows in his behavior, stark difference compared to Arnav. Aman told Arnav in no nonsense tone that La is liar and NOT pregnant but all he thinks is Aman snooping into La's medical history??? And even if Aman did, Arnav should have known how discreet and private Aman will be and no one will know, so his reaction is completely irrelevant too.

Shraddha's second point hits a master stroke and this is what I have been pointing all along. It makes my observation crystal clear. Lavanya asked him for a genuine relationship on Jan 2nd 2016 directly, Arnav should have had no doubts what so ever from this point onwards that Lavanya wants relationship with him despite the fact that she was never pregnant. Now if he revisits the events in last month in the light of La's genuine relationship request and interest in him -

Arnav had doubts about his own behavior under the influence -> He found himself sleeping with La -> She was so casual about it -> La faked pregnancy -> Ma asking him for divorce with his wife immediately for the baby -> He was forced to fast track his divorce with Khushi; he himself confessed this to Akash -> La acting all naïve, clingy, scared, constantly texting him seeking attention and worried about baby, herself and her career is all fake -> Ma and La forcing him to spend time with La and asking to be in fake / real relationship with her -> La also said she slept with him as she liked him -> La being worried about him backing off from his decision to divorce Khushi -> La interfering his decision to celebrate 10th anniversary and extracting reconfirmation that he is indeed divorcing Khushi -> Everything is crystal clear that La is after him and Khushi will be the only obstacle for her and MaLa D both already went extra mile with fake pregnancy to trap him.

Why on earth he didn't get it that Khushi has to be the direct target of these evil twins when they openly asked him to divorce his wife?? They will go to any extent to create problems between them, spread vile news and make sure the divorce happen and Khushi goes away permanently by hook or crook for Lavanya to have a chance with Arnav eventually.

He never thought through nor looked at the big picture as I always said. He simply couldn't do 2+2=4 to conclude La trapped him in Panchgani too by inviting him to the party but NOT informing about it being RAVE.. He had even confronted her about it. MaLa D were always ahead of him in the game and he was taken for a ride royally making him a dufus.

Arpita, I agree with Shraddha here, your explanation about Arnav thinking Khushi isn't target doesn't hold correct in this new light. Even if Arnav was divorcing Khushi and he informed MaLa D, he should have realized they would go to any extent still. You don't have to agree with us but this is how it comes across as a reader to us.

Originally posted by: SwatStar_Arshi

Thanks Shraddha, I wasn't in a mood to re-read but I remember his reaction to La's medical reports was mortifying. Completely unacceptable. It clearly comes across as he is concerned about La and forgotten Khushi completely. What he thinks about La is immaterial here, his first priority has to be his wife, himself and his own family and he failed here too. Aman's loyalty and priority is Khushi and it shows in his behavior, stark difference compared to Arnav. Aman told Arnav in no nonsense tone that La is liar and NOT pregnant but all he thinks is Aman snooping into La's medical history??? And even if Aman did, Arnav should have known how discreet and private Aman will be and no one will know, so his reaction is completely irrelevant too.

Shraddha's second point hits a master stroke and this is what I have been pointing all along. It makes my observation crystal clear. Lavanya asked him for a genuine relationship on Jan 2nd 2016 directly, Arnav should have had no doubts what so ever from this point onwards that Lavanya wants relationship with him despite the fact that she was never pregnant. Now if he revisits the events in last month in the light of La's genuine relationship request and interest in him -

Arnav had doubts about his own behavior under the influence -> He found himself sleeping with La -> She was so casual about it -> La faked pregnancy -> Ma asking him for divorce with his wife immediately for the baby -> He was forced to fast track his divorce with Khushi; he himself confessed this to Akash -> La acting all naïve, clingy, scared, constantly texting him seeking attention and worried about baby, herself and her career is all fake -> Ma and La forcing him to spend time with La and asking to be in fake / real relationship with her -> La also said she slept with him as she liked him -> La being worried about him backing off from his decision to divorce Khushi -> La interfering his decision to celebrate 10th anniversary and extracting reconfirmation that he is indeed divorcing Khushi -> Everything is crystal clear that La is after him and Khushi will be the only obstacle for her and MaLa D both already went extra mile with fake pregnancy to trap him.

Why on earth he didn't get it that Khushi has to be the direct target of these evil twins when they openly asked him to divorce his wife?? They will go to any extent to create problems between them, spread vile news and make sure the divorce happen and Khushi goes away permanently by hook or crook for Lavanya to have a chance with Arnav eventually.

He never thought through nor looked at the big picture as I always said. He simply couldn't do 2+2=4 to conclude La trapped him in Panchgani too by inviting him to the party but NOT informing about it being RAVE.. He had even confronted her about it. MaLa D were always ahead of him in the game and he was taken for a ride royally making him a dufus.

Arpita, I agree with Shraddha here, your explanation about Arnav thinking Khushi isn't target doesn't hold correct in this new light. Even if Arnav was divorcing Khushi and he informed MaLa D, he should have realized they would go to any extent still. You don't have to agree with us but this is how it comes across as a reader to us.

You're mixing up the order of events as they unfolded in the story:

When Lavanya is being clingy to him, is during the time Arnav thinks he has wronged her. That she will have to face major consequences of their mistake. Again, I do not think Lavanya and Manali pushed him for divorce. They reprimanded him for being casual about it, when he is the married guy. And Arnav to ease Lavanya's fears of being tagged a home wrecker told them that he plans to divorce his wife. He also clarified time and again it has got nothing to do with them. He did not expedite his divorce FOR THEM. He expedited his divorce so Khushi could be away from this mess much faster!

Arnav finds out about the pregnancy hoax at the airport on 2nd January and thinks that the reason Lavanya would be behind him would either be money or attraction (not obsession.) -> Lavanya asks him for a real relationship on 2nd January after he knows the truth (at the party), but also Arnav already told them his divorce went through at the party. So WHY on earth would Arnav think that Khushi would be a target?

You're saying that Arnav should have known in December that Lavanya and Manali would go after Khushi by sending Khushi the pics when he doesn't know until January that they were a bunch of lying freaks?

You're also saying that after he knows in January, he should have put them to bed, but why? Photos are gone, La-Ma know about the divorce, they themselves told him not to leak the news of his divorce because it would mean Dariya's publicity would get affected. So why would he go after them at this point? Yes he got taken for a ride here, but there is no way he can know that Khushi ALSO got taken for a ride? It has been established that he does not care to fight for himself at this point.

You're saying that he should have somehow put them to bed right away knowing that they lied to him about pregnancy and the news about the divorce would not have gone to Khushi and Khushi's family would not have been ostracized? This premise is faulty on the basis that if he did put them to bed, or try to go after them, there is a 100% guarantee they would go after Khushi or his family, one that he keeps under wraps. He himself would be opening his entire past up for the public to grabs, by going after La-Ma. Its not like he is some God, who can somehow put the top actress of the country under the bed without expecting any retaliation, is it??

Arnav’s mind first went blank with absolute and utter relief before wanes upon waves of anger came crashing down. He had been going through hell at the thought of what this news would do to Khushi.

Isha, I completely forgot this, do you sit with a magnifying glass while reading. 🧐

Also, I had mentioned the moment khushi left he completely cut off Lunatic, like zero contact. He was now not at all worried. I have mentioned before and I guess Arpita agreed, he was doing this to keep a check on PR of Lunatic in case of his no show till khushi left.

Originally posted by: tashi26

Arnav’s mind first went blank with absolute and utter relief before wanes upon waves of anger came crashing down. He had been going through hell at the thought of what this news would do to Khushi.

Isha, I completely forgot this, do you sit with a magnifying glass while reading. 🧐

Also, I had mentioned the moment khushi left he completely cut off Lunatic, like zero contact. He was now not at all worried. I have mentioned before and I guess Arpita agreed, he was doing this to keep a check on PR of Lunatic in case of his no show till khushi left.

No. I missed it completely. I actually revisited because for me this part has never been important and I skip over it. About what was his first reaction to Aman. I wanted him to retaliate harder and push the duo but I kind of understood why he let go. His friends were all pointing out he was a mess after Khushi left out of the blue and he was still stuck with a baby he didn’t want. So I get that.

I just don’t buy into the narrative that he doesn’t care for Khushi. It’s been shown since the beginning that even when the whole separation and divorce thing was going on, he had cared about her well being. I think I can excuse him for thinking on financial terms because he has seen poverty. It matters to him that Khushi lives well. She is leaving Mumbai and yet he does one small thing that he can, bump up the ticket to better class. I know it doesn’t do much, but to me it shows his intention. I do think his behaviour has hurt Khushi a lot, but I don’t doubt his intentions.

Originally posted by: tashi26

Arnav’s mind first went blank with absolute and utter relief before wanes upon waves of anger came crashing down. He had been going through hell at the thought of what this news would do to Khushi.

Isha, I completely forgot this, do you sit with a magnifying glass while reading. 🧐

Also, I had mentioned the moment khushi left he completely cut off Lunatic, like zero contact. He was now not at all worried. I have mentioned before and I guess Arpita agreed, he was doing this to keep a check on PR of Lunatic in case of his no show till khushi left.

No shit! I had missed that line too. She sits with a magnifying glass, and our dear author, is so attuned to Arnav that she does not miss a single thought that goes through Arnav's head. I am so surprised when I sometimes go back and read some sentences and I am like, wow, I did not realize this or think of it this way. I understand when writers create their characters, but it is incredibly hard to keep them true in every situation, in every single dialogue!

The fact that his first thought of anger was for Khushi just does something to me man! How this man convinced himself that he doesn't love Khushi anymore is just beyond me!

And this has been discussed a lot, and no one is wrong. But the tone in which you ask a question matters a lot. While reading we don’t know what’s the tone of a person.

Like here Arnav while asking Aman whether he went snooping around.

There can be disgust or anger , that how could you do that. It was not that in this case.

There can be surprise, like Arnav is surprised Aman went to do that, when he never has done something like that before he was given orders to.

I feel it was more of a surprise. It was just a question, we ask our friends if they have did something they would not do normally “You did that!” There we are not reprimanding them, just surprised.

Also, This same Aman is not comfortable in spying about the prospective groom too. Arnav dropped it because of that and also I felt because he could sense Aman’s discomfort. So Arnav was surprised because even Aman is not that sort of guy.

Originally posted by: Learrntowrite

No. I missed it completely. I actually revisited because for me this part has never been important and I skip over it. About what was his first reaction to Aman. I wanted him to retaliate harder and push the duo but I kind of understood why he let go. His friends were all pointing out he was a mess after Khushi left out of the blue and he was still stuck with a baby he didn’t want. So I get that.

I just don’t buy into the narrative that he doesn’t care for Khushi. It’s been shown since the beginning that even when the whole separation and divorce thing was going on, he had cared about her well being. I think I can excuse him for thinking on financial terms because he has seen poverty. It matters to him that Khushi lives well. She is leaving Mumbai and yet he does one small thing that he can, bump up the ticket to better class. I know it doesn’t do much, but to me it shows his intention. I do think his behaviour has hurt Khushi a lot, but I don’t doubt his intentions.

If he did not care, he would not have thought of divorce when he knew he just had to say and not even ask and Khushi will never even think about having her own child.

But I know his actions have hurt Khushi, shattered her, but he has to open his heart, he will have to let her in if he wants her to come out of that hurt.

It may sound cliché but if he has hurt her, only he can heal her too.

Originally posted by: You-Know-Who

No shit! I had missed that line too. She sits with a magnifying glass, and our dear author, is so attuned to Arnav that she does not miss a single thought that goes through Arnav's head. I am so surprised when I sometimes go back and read some sentences and I am like, wow, I did not realize this or think of it this way. I understand when writers create their characters, but it is incredibly hard to keep them true in every situation, in every single dialogue!

The fact that his first thought of anger was for Khushi just does something to me man! How this man convinced himself that he doesn't love Khushi anymore is just beyond me!

I want to add something here. I get it. Even I would have missed this particular one liner had the question not been raised that he did not think of Khushi during this entire ordeal at all. It’s easy to miss things in long chapters, especially when there’s a timeline jump back and forth.

But what matters is continuity, which gives me some kind of faith and empathy towards both these characters. I go back to the previous chapters after revelations because they change the meaning to me.

Khushi loves Arnav beyond reason and probably to the point of devotion. In every chapter this has been the constant theme. When she thinks that the next time she sees him, she will rip him to shreds. All it takes is one troubled look on Arnav’s face and the idea goes away from her mind.

We now know she knew about cheating and this makes her emotions somewhat stronger to me despite some people calling it her weakness. She was in Lucknow when she talked to Shyam and thinks how he cannot talk to his ex wife since she is no more. There, her thought is being grateful that she was not in a situation like Shyam. She tells herself as long as he’s healthy and achieving success in life, she’s fine with what happened. Imagine that kind of purity in love? That’s why I begged her to make them the endgame. Yes, Khushi can move on but just for her sake I want Arnav’s redemption. Her love is too pure and too strong.

But I give the same benefit of doubt to Arnav when I read his doings/ thoughts. Since chapter one and the flashbacks, we see that he has been a decent human. Even during the whole separation phase when we thought he had an affair, Khushi has been the first thought in his head always. Why would it be different in this situation? He confessed to a therapist that he can’t sleep since Khushi has left for her hometown. Khushi was the first thought in his head when he woke up hungover/drugged.

The biggest of them all. The guy went through two months of pure agony. Let go of a wife who he thought deserved better than him, is travelling between cities for work, had a PR nightmare in his hands that could have ruined everything, is cut off by his friends, and is stuck with a baby the thought of which alone gives him a panic attack. But where did he break down crying? The day Payal told him Khushi may be getting married.This was before we knew the whole truth. He already thought of Khushi moving on and now we know how badly he was missing her at the time. But he didn’t go and get her.

Khushi’s love is pure but Arnav’s love deserves its rightful place too. He KNOWS Khushi will forgive him for Lavanya. He KNOWS Khushi will choose him over a child at the cost of her happiness. And he still lets her go. All this was decided in his head even before Lavanya happened. Yes he made a mistake of assuming too much things there but his heart was not in the wrong place. I can call him a lot of things, but I won’t call him selfish.

Originally posted by: tashi26

And this has been discussed a lot, and no one is wrong. But the tone in which you ask a question matters a lot. While reading we don’t know what’s the tone of a person.

Like here Arnav while asking Aman whether he went snooping around.

There can be disgust or anger , that how could you do that. It was not that in this case.

There can be surprise, like Arnav is surprised Aman went to do that, when he never has done something like that before he was given orders to.

I feel it was more of a surprise. It was just a question, we ask our friends if they have did something they would not do normally You did that!. There we are not reprimanding the, just surprised.

Also, This same Aman is not comfortable in spying about the prospective groom too. Arnav dropped it because of that and also I felt because he could sense Aman’s discomfort.

I think that's why even the forum is split on this. There are some of us who absolutely cannot accept he cared about snooping through someone's private life. But there are some of us who didn't even blink an eye on this statement because it was obvious that he didn't really care for Lavanya, he was just surprised Aman would go unprovoked into someone's privacy.

I think it's because when each person reads the story with a different tone, a different set of notions as well. For some people, just Arnav's good intent is enough to empathize with Arnav, and for others, his good intent is just not good enough. People are different, period. :)