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Originally posted by: Learrntowrite

I want to add something here. I get it. Even I would have missed this particular one liner had the question not been raised that he did not think of Khushi during this entire ordeal at all. It’s easy to miss things in long chapters, especially when there’s a timeline jump back and forth.

But what matters is continuity, which gives me some kind of faith and empathy towards both these characters. I go back to the previous chapters after revelations because they change the meaning to me.

Khushi loves Arnav beyond reason and probably to the point of devotion. In every chapter this has been the constant theme. When she thinks that the next time she sees him, she will rip him to shreds. All it takes is one troubled look on Arnav’s face and the idea goes away from her mind.

We now know she knew about cheating and this makes her emotions somewhat stronger to me despite some people calling it her weakness. She was in Lucknow when she talked to Shyam and thinks how he cannot talk to his ex wife since she is no more. There, her thought is being grateful that she was not in a situation like Shyam. She tells herself as long as he’s healthy and achieving success in life, she’s fine with what happened. Imagine that kind of purity in love? That’s why I begged her to make them the endgame. Yes, Khushi can move on but just for her sake I want Arnav’s redemption. Her love is too pure and too strong.

But I give the same benefit of doubt to Arnav when I read his doings/ thoughts. Since chapter one and the flashbacks, we see that he has been a decent human. Even during the whole separation phase when we thought he had an affair, Khushi has been the first thought in his head always. Why would it be different in this situation? He confessed to a therapist that he can’t sleep since Khushi has left for her hometown. Khushi was the first thought in his head when he woke up hungover/drugged.

The biggest of them all. The guy went through two months of pure agony. Let go of a wife who he thought deserved better than him, is travelling between cities for work, had a PR nightmare in his hands that could have ruined everything, is cut off by his friends, and is stuck with a baby the thought of which alone gives him a panic attack. But where did he break down crying? The day Payal told him Khushi may be getting married.This was before we knew the whole truth. He already thought of Khushi moving on and now we know how badly he was missing her at the time. But he didn’t go and get her.

Khushi’s love is pure but Arnav’s love deserves its rightful place too. He KNOWS Khushi will forgive him for Lavanya. He KNOWS Khushi will choose him over a child at the cost of her happiness. And he still lets her go. All this was decided in his head even before Lavanya happened. Yes he made a mistake of assuming too much things there but his heart was not in the wrong place. I can call him a lot of things, but I won’t call him selfish.

Originally posted by: Learrntowrite

I want to add something here. I get it. Even I would have missed this particular one liner had the question not been raised that he did not think of Khushi during this entire ordeal at all. It’s easy to miss things in long chapters, especially when there’s a timeline jump back and forth.

But what matters is continuity, which gives me some kind of faith and empathy towards both these characters. I go back to the previous chapters after revelations because they change the meaning to me.

Khushi loves Arnav beyond reason and probably to the point of devotion. In every chapter this has been the constant theme. When she thinks that the next time she sees him, she will rip him to shreds. All it takes is one troubled look on Arnav’s face and the idea goes away from her mind.

We now know she knew about cheating and this makes her emotions somewhat stronger to me despite some people calling it her weakness. She was in Lucknow when she talked to Shyam and thinks how he cannot talk to his ex wife since she is no more. There, her thought is being grateful that she was not in a situation like Shyam. She tells herself as long as he’s healthy and achieving success in life, she’s fine with what happened. Imagine that kind of purity in love? That’s why I begged her to make them the endgame. Yes, Khushi can move on but just for her sake I want Arnav’s redemption. Her love is too pure and too strong.

But I give the same benefit of doubt to Arnav when I read his doings/ thoughts. Since chapter one and the flashbacks, we see that he has been a decent human. Even during the whole separation phase when we thought he had an affair, Khushi has been the first thought in his head always. Why would it be different in this situation? He confessed to a therapist that he can’t sleep since Khushi has left for her hometown. Khushi was the first thought in his head when he woke up hungover/drugged.

The biggest of them all. The guy went through two months of pure agony. Let go of a wife who he thought deserved better than him, is travelling between cities for work, had a PR nightmare in his hands that could have ruined everything, is cut off by his friends, and is stuck with a baby the thought of which alone gives him a panic attack. But where did he break down crying? The day Payal told him Khushi may be getting married.This was before we knew the whole truth. He already thought of Khushi moving on and now we know how badly he was missing her at the time. But he didn’t go and get her.

Khushi’s love is pure but Arnav’s love deserves its rightful place too. He KNOWS Khushi will forgive him for Lavanya. He KNOWS Khushi will choose him over a child at the cost of her happiness. And he still lets her go. All this was decided in his head even before Lavanya happened. Yes he made a mistake of assuming too much things there but his heart was not in the wrong place. I can call him a lot of things, but I won’t call him selfish.

And neither would I call him a narcissist. This is a guy who does NOT think of himself, at all. It has been proven again and again that most of his thoughts are either the welfare of Khushi or his guilt at not being able to do right by Khushi. I think it is a great disservice to call a person like Arnav a narcissist when he has enough decency that despite his panic attack at the idea of being a father, he goes out of his way for a woman who he thought was suffering more than him.

Originally posted by: tashi26

Hey, I randomly picked the chapter 5 khushi/Arnav, if we read it carefully March 2006 flashbacks, it seems like exactly after 10 years I.e. March 2016, Arnav khushi will have the same conversation but this is going to be much intense as here Khushi’s hurt is more profound and situations have become worse too.

Originally posted by: tashi26

Hey, I randomly picked the chapter 5 khushi/Arnav, if we read it carefully March 2006 flashbacks, it seems like exactly after 10 years i.e. March 2016, Arnav khushi will have the same conversation but this is going to be much intense as here Khushi’s hurt is more profound and situation has become worse too.

Originally posted by: Learrntowrite

I want to add something here. I get it. Even I would have missed this particular one liner had the question not been raised that he did not think of Khushi during this entire ordeal at all. It’s easy to miss things in long chapters, especially when there’s a timeline jump back and forth.

But what matters is continuity, which gives me some kind of faith and empathy towards both these characters. I go back to the previous chapters after revelations because they change the meaning to me.

Khushi loves Arnav beyond reason and probably to the point of devotion. In every chapter this has been the constant theme. When she thinks that the next time she sees him, she will rip him to shreds. All it takes is one troubled look on Arnav’s face and the idea goes away from her mind.

We now know she knew about cheating and this makes her emotions somewhat stronger to me despite some people calling it her weakness. She was in Lucknow when she talked to Shyam and thinks how he cannot talk to his ex wife since she is no more. There, her thought is being grateful that she was not in a situation like Shyam. She tells herself as long as he’s healthy and achieving success in life, she’s fine with what happened. Imagine that kind of purity in love? That’s why I begged her to make them the endgame. Yes, Khushi can move on but just for her sake I want Arnav’s redemption. Her love is too pure and too strong.

But I give the same benefit of doubt to Arnav when I read his doings/ thoughts. Since chapter one and the flashbacks, we see that he has been a decent human. Even during the whole separation phase when we thought he had an affair, Khushi has been the first thought in his head always. Why would it be different in this situation? He confessed to a therapist that he can’t sleep since Khushi has left for her hometown. Khushi was the first thought in his head when he woke up hungover/drugged.

The biggest of them all. The guy went through two months of pure agony. Let go of a wife who he thought deserved better than him, is travelling between cities for work, had a PR nightmare in his hands that could have ruined everything, is cut off by his friends, and is stuck with a baby the thought of which alone gives him a panic attack. But where did he break down crying? The day Payal told him Khushi may be getting married. This was before we knew the whole truth. He already thought of Khushi moving on and now we know how badly he was missing her at the time. But he didn’t go and get her.

Khushi’s love is pure but Arnav’s love deserves its rightful place too. He KNOWS Khushi will forgive him for Lavanya. He KNOWS Khushi will choose him over a child at the cost of her happiness. And he still lets her go. All this was decided in his head even before Lavanya happened. Yes he made a mistake of assuming too much things there but his heart was not in the wrong place. I can call him a lot of things, but I won’t call him selfish.

Arnav has faced agonizing two months owing to his own stupidity, even author accepts Khushi's god couldn't help him.

I would have really respected Arnav if he would have let go off her by explaining how he never wanted kids and even gone on to lie to her that he wanted his freedom. He knew she will always wanted to see him happy and would have obliged.

But Arnav here did not let go off Khushi before mentally torturing her for almost a year by refusing to discuss matter of baby and his reasons like mature adults, he was angry for her not accepting or even after she accepting his decision and avoid going to Lucknow, started living separately, hardly was talking to her, would not inform her about his whereabouts, he cheated on her with Lavanya (not ONS but the aftermath), he has informed about divorce with friends, Aman, La and Ma, also with lawyer Mr. Basu asking him questions about his divorced wife. So at least 6 people knew before he discussed divorce with his own wife, unacceptable.

It was not just assumptions, he has behaved crass with Khushi and we cannot ignore that..

Originally posted by: SwatStar_Arshi

Arnav has faced agonizing two months owing to his own stupidity, even author accepts Khushi's god couldn't help him.

I would have really respected Arnav if he would have let go off her by explaining how he never wanted kids and even gone on to lie to her that he wanted his freedom. He knew she will always wanted to see him happy and would have obliged.

But Arnav here did not let go off Khushi before mentally torturing her for almost a year by refusing to discuss matter of baby and his reasons like mature adults, he was angry for her not accepting or even after she accepting his decision and avoid going to Lucknow, started living separately, hardly was talking to her, would not inform her about his whereabouts, he cheated on her with Lavanya (not ONS but the aftermath), he has informed about divorce with friends, Aman, La and Ma, also with lawyer Mr. Basu asking him questions about his divorced wife. So at least 6 people knew before he discussed divorce with his own wife, unacceptable.

It was not just assumptions, he has behaved crass with Khushi and we cannot ignore that..

this is the only thing I’ll agree on. He has pulled back. He has stonewalled her. And it has caused her a lot of strain. No wonder she saw pics and assumed what was happening.

my sympathy only lies in the fact that his heart was not in the wrong place. He’s troubled. That’s all. I also don’t find his discussion of divorce with his lawyer troubling. Akash and Payal found out by mistake. Plus, he never started on the proceedings without talking to Khushi. Naina was there to help Basu. Not for divorce.

Originally posted by: You-Know-Who

You're mixing up the order of events as they unfolded in the story:

When Lavanya is being clingy to him, is during the time Arnav thinks he has wronged her. That she will have to face major consequences of their mistake. Again, I do not think Lavanya and Manali pushed him for divorce. They reprimanded him for being casual about it, when he is the married guy. And Arnav to ease Lavanya's fears of being tagged a home wrecker told them that he plans to divorce his wife. He also clarified time and again it has got nothing to do with them. He did not expedite his divorce FOR THEM. He expedited his divorce so Khushi could be away from this mess much faster!

Arnav finds out about the pregnancy hoax at the airport on 2nd January and thinks that the reason Lavanya would be behind him would either be money or attraction (not obsession.) -> Lavanya asks him for a real relationship on 2nd January after he knows the truth (at the party), but also Arnav already told them his divorce went through at the party. So WHY on earth would Arnav think that Khushi would be a target?

You're saying that Arnav should have known in December that Lavanya and Manali would go after Khushi by sending Khushi the pics when he doesn't know until January that they were a bunch of lying freaks?

You're also saying that after he knows in January, he should have put them to bed, but why? Photos are gone, La-Ma know about the divorce, they themselves told him not to leak the news of his divorce because it would mean Dariya's publicity would get affected. So why would he go after them at this point? Yes he got taken for a ride here, but there is no way he can know that Khushi ALSO got taken for a ride? It has been established that he does not care to fight for himself at this point.

You're saying that he should have somehow put them to bed right away knowing that they lied to him about pregnancy and the news about the divorce would not have gone to Khushi and Khushi's family would not have been ostracized? This premise is faulty on the basis that if he did put them to bed, or try to go after them, there is a 100% guarantee they would go after Khushi or his family, one that he keeps under wraps. He himself would be opening his entire past up for the public to grabs, by going after La-Ma. Its not like he is some God, who can somehow put the top actress of the country under the bed without expecting any retaliation, is it??

I don’t understand why we are fighting about Manali leaking the divorce news and khushi’s family getting hurt? Divorce was happening so the news would have come out anyway. Had it not been Shyam, and khushi landing in soup by being called at psnchayat he would never have gone back to bring her back. Even when he realised khushi wanted him more than a baby , he was happy to let her go to a better and fuller life which he thought she deserved. Love like that is rare, khushi let him go the moment she realised he found someone else. They both are self sacrificing lovers 💖 they deserve happiness!!! Song appropriate to their situation

https://youtu.be/nOZ3M1O0Wbg

Also I would recommend to read this ff by Anamika

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/fan-fictions/3646328/arshi-ss-for-your-sake-thread-1

We understand things from a woman’s perspective better. There is this dialogue Arnav said after khushi kept rejecting him because she couldn’t bear children and she knew he loved and wanted children but will choose her without any hitch. Role reversal

Originally posted by: tashi26

And this has been discussed a lot, and no one is wrong. But the tone in which you ask a question matters a lot. While reading we don’t know what’s the tone of a person.

Like here Arnav while asking Aman whether he went snooping around.

There can be disgust or anger , that how could you do that. It was not that in this case.

There can be surprise, like Arnav is surprised Aman went to do that, when he never has done something like that before he was given orders to.

I feel it was more of a surprise. It was just a question, we ask our friends if they have did something they would not do normally “You did that!” There we are not reprimanding them, just surprised.

Also, This same Aman is not comfortable in spying about the prospective groom too. Arnav dropped it because of that and also I felt because he could sense Aman’s discomfort. So Arnav was surprised because even Aman is not that sort of guy.

Absolutely that tone matters and changes an entire conversation. Given this is a write up..it would be by words or written expressions.

To me it cannot be surprise..because the nature of conversation. It is not just any conversation between friends or colleagues. Then surprise can make sense.

The whole chapter gives a insight all he has felt about Khushi..which we did not know. So this new information is very critical and an important conversation.

So it can be a secondary reaction that you Aman snooped so that is so unlike you but intial reaction can be shock not surprise. It is too matter of fact for me. Too clinical.

Originally posted by: bakwas_serial

Absolutely that tone matters and changes an entire conversation. Given this is a write up..it would be by words or written expressions.

To me it cannot be surprise..because the nature of conversation. It is not just any conversation between friends or colleagues. Then surprise can make sense.

The whole chapter gives a insight all he has felt about Khushi..which we did not know. So this new information is very critical and an important conversation.

So it can be a secondary reaction that you Aman snooped so that is so unlike you but intial reaction can be shock not surprise. It is too matter of fact for me. Too clinical.

but he IS too clinical. Always. it’s been said time and again he compartmentalised his emotions at times. And he does it here twice. He also swallows his anger and lets things go instead of raging like we all wanted him to.

This is like the first sentence Aman springs up on him. Of course he is bound to be shocked/surprised.

Plus, I don’t think tone needs to even be a point of debate anymore since the author specified that the comment was directed towards the act Aman had pulled, not who he had pulled it against.

Originally posted by: SwatStar_Arshi

Then that is Arnav's biggest failure as an astute businessman. The evil twins pulled out way better than him catching him catch 22 situation and he has no clue how to handle the situation???? If Arnav doesn't know what to do, he should have simply done what they were doing to him, do things under wraps and don't get caught... Since Jan, he could have simply released her old pics, drug news or whatever is true and bad... He just needed to make her busy in her own web of lies and deceits.

And remember Aman found out her deeds without she knowing, so what does this mean here, Aman is smart but Arnav is NOT?? Aman would have done a fab job of making Lavanya and her PR team run all over to fix her image while he leaks truth about her secretly, this will automatically tarnish her image, her mkt value, movies assignments will go down, she might lose already signed projects due to bad image. Many way to put her in place if he really wanted to and he didn't.

Swati, a lot of assumptions here. Finding something out about someone without them knowing is not a big deal, but using that information to tarnish them automatically means you have put yourself and your family up for scrutiny. First of all, like Isha explained, Arnav is not the kind of guy who would swoop to character assassination just because *he* was lied to about pregnancy. And no, he does not see it as an obsession. He is a logical person, he could have just thought, whatever act she pulled was to gain his sympathy, or to acquire a wealthy husband or whatever. It never translates to "mindless crazy obsession". You as the reader know this because you have read Lavanya's thoughts. If you hadn't, you wouldn't either. It is not in human nature to assume the worst. And many times people cannot fathom what they themselves wouldn't do. Like he cries in Februray about being surprised that random people were coming after him. You know why? Because he would never do that to anyone!

Another thing you did not take into account: Do you think that bringing out Lavanya's past and her crazy deeds, would not automatically bring him and Khushi in the center of trouble? And with a 100% guarantee? When Khushi is safely away in Lucknow away from all the media shitstorm? Even if Lavanya's PR team is running trying to fix her image, there is no guarantee they would not hit him where they know it hurts. Especially when Lavanya's PR team is known for bringing careers down and litigation. They have the pictures too, remember? The photos were sent to Lavanya as well as blackmail and that is a fact he knows.

So imagine this: he goes after Lavanya in December, and then Lavanya's team hits him back, scourges his past (perhaps even Anjali's secret or whatever skeletons he has in his life), makes Khushi's life a hell. How does this path avoid Khushi and her family's trouble?? I do not understand this point you're trying to make.