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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: indi52



thanks so much, aarwen... i do so miss this character and this actor. both were rare.


Yes I started late and already miss them.. Must be so much tougher on you all... You know a show.. a book .. a song .. Have touched your heart when you forget everything in eagerness to feel, enjoy, know more and yet fear the end that comes closer each step you take..

Barun and Sanaya are great actors when so many of us seem to love them so much.. Different people from different places ... all having enjoyed the treat they put before us wish them so much happiness in their lives..

I miss Arnav Singh Raizada so much 😭... but am really so thankful to be part of you all here🤗Love will never be the same..Kyu dard hai itna tere ishq mein ..rabba ve.. Rabba ve..
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: IssPKaur



You'll probably laugh if i tell you...on iPhoto. But works out fine cos i work with single images and all i really do is play with color. So it's very basic stuff. Have often wondered about collages, textures, superimposing images...will now try it with pixlr!

And oh...i upload on minus.com from my iPhoto to post them here - Durga told me about minus so that's all thanks to her - and minus also provides simple edit tools like contrast, brightness, warmth, cropping...stuff like that... I've used those at times too. But that's really it.

Always happy when you all like them, knowing how much more sophisticated all your edits are!




iphoto? i have never really tried that. well if you can coax that out of iphoto, can't wit to die when you start playing with pixlr... express or editor... the latter is pretty sophisticated though of course nowhere near the photoshop pro which they use at the agency. but powerful enough.

issk, see ya soon.

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: indi52



iphoto? i have never really tried that. well if you can coax that out of iphoto, can't wit to die when you start playing with pixlr... express or editor... the latter is pretty sophisticated though of course nowhere near the photoshop pro which they use at the agency. but powerful enough.

issk, see ya soon.



Indus, i love you. For saying the sweetest things about me. But more for saying the deepest things about my ASR 👏 ... I so wanna delve into your post on the prev page, and respond, but i don't know whether i'll have the time today. First, i badly need to take baby steps towards a work related thing that i've avoided the last few days...paralysed with fear i've been...but today feeling better so i need to make the most of it and get started at least... Wish me luck, will ya. ...And in the eve is a dinner party at home...it rained all night last night so it's gotten uncomfortably cold and foggy in delhi...need to help start making arrangements for that too, for as cosy as can be evening ahead..

But before i go, i'll say what's on top of my head today...triggered by your posts and Sohara's. I look for ASR everywhere...and certainly on indian tv, and on india forums, anything that even mildly piques interest, is related to him alone... am constantly, feverishly looking for a "jhalak" of him, basically. Reading posts and fan fiction with a pang in the pit and the heart is so worth it...
There's so much chehek and mehek around, of Sanaya's new show...and that forum is glowing with expectation... of hoping to relive what once was. So many posts referring to the "woriginal bitwa" in ways that are lovely.. in ways intended and unintended...
My takeaway from it so far - My ASR lives on, not just on these pages and in our hearts and minds and lives, but also in the standards he has set for others.

More later... And onwards to pixlr as soon as i can... Yalgaar ho, i say! Jai ho Devi Maiyya and Jai ho Nandkissore!!




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Posted: 11 years ago
issk,

thanks for that top of mind post. yeah, such a lovely man... he does set standards. woriginal is this bitwa and if indian tv tries to find him and a girl that can take him on, we might some day actually move beyond the saas bahu duniya, where in fact all characters are made less and lampooned, including the poor saas.

i look for him and that is the only reason i write fan fiction... i will always have a place for him in my thoughts... and the actor who brought him home to me.

i hope you have just the mind and concentration you need to start your work. today is a very special day for me, i know it will give you the best things, just what you need.

enjoy dinner and fog. keep warm with thoughts of man with smouldering eyes... and if it rains, go out there and dance with him... call me too.


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Posted: 11 years ago
may i please share something with all on this thread...

rangrasiya is an ambitious show that has just started on colors and hopes to establish itself in a big way. we are all eager to see sanaya do wonderfully and succeed.

we have talked a bit about all that here. but a serious request, let's not discuss rangrasiya here, please.

we all love and "own" sanaya somewhere, being avid and complete ipk fans, but it's i think against forum rules to discuss other shows on threads belonging to specific show forums.

and more, let's stay focused on the idea of this thread... a reliving of ipk, a major serious crazy slightly arrogant utterly ott love affair with it in fact.

i hope we can stay in love, in hate, and in what the blast happily.

hope no one got royally irritated with indi for saying this, but what's to do my englissiya is so powerphool and i am so bootiphool, and i can't suttupiya kar leo.

looks like i did irritate people with this note. please do forgive me. and if i don't get into rangrasiya discussions, please don't mind.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: wiwy


Hey Samin thanks for the video clip. Yes Suchitra was so stylish in sarees. But I too liked her best as Rina Brown and that enactment of the scene from Othello by Uttam- Suchitra gives me goosebumps. Brilliant acting by both.
Thanks for the lovely pics In di! And oh yes she insisted o on charging at least one rupee more than Uttam Kumar!


Hi Wiwy and Indi. I just enjoyed Indi your collage with Suchitra sen. Now I may have my facts wrong. She was the first actress from India who ever won an award for her acting in an Indian language movie which was saath pakhe Bandha by Satyajit Roy in 1963. Now till 2008 at least I am pretty sure no other Indian actresses have won any best actress award in an international film event. So I am not sure between 2008-2014 has any Indian actress won an award in an Indian movie? If not then she still probably is the only Indian actress to ever win an award in the best actress category in a foreign film festival for acting in an Indian movie
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: indi52

issk,

thanks for that top of mind post. yeah, such a lovely man... he does set standards. woriginal is this bitwa and if indian tv tries to find him and a girl that can take him on, we might some day actually move beyond the saas bahu duniya, where in fact all characters are made less and lampooned, including the poor saas.

i look for him and that is the only reason i write fan fiction... i will always have a place for him in my thoughts... and the actor who brought him home to me.

i hope you have just the mind and concentration you need to start your work. today is a very special day for me, i know it will give you the best things, just what you need.

enjoy dinner and fog. keep warm with thoughts of man with smouldering eyes... and if it rains, go out there and dance with him... call me too.




Thank you so much! 🤗 I did get a bit of work done today!


It didn't rain tonight, thank the lord. But would you believe it, i did get a chance to dance some the night before...with him of course 😆...when it was raining relentlessly and ice-coldly. I'll tell you how. I was reading a ff piece about khushi and arnav being out in the snowfall of simla...they were shivering, so was i 😆...i loved the connect so much i got up and even made myself some black coffee 😆 ... was great fun...so when i read your words above, felt uncanny!


I love your words in green above...
i hearteth thee, woriginal bitwa
⭐️
...and a girl who can take him on...the thought continues to excite even after so much repeat telecast! ⭐️ ⭐️



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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: aarwen


Lovely post Horizon! ASR is such a well written character. In a world of television where men specially don't seem to have backbones or anything that shows a real person and not just a goddy goody boy ASR is refreshing. He didn't let Khushi go from his arms even while dadi was staring but let her fall from his office top floor when he wanted to teach her a lesson. Never did he compromise on his point of view to be good unless he wanted to for some one else's is sake. And he had so much conviction, resourcefulness , perception and humour ..

I have recently been reading a few articles written by Gul and really liked them. She seems like a person who could create a character like ASR.


I think I agree with you two too. Guess ASR was decent and at the same time strong. Yes he was respectful to Nani and Dadi but not intimidated by them. He respected them none the less. Speaking of generation- I think our generations now a days are more decent then those twenty years back. In those days people thought nothing about extramarital affairs, public showing of affection etc, Now a days it is better- at least people know what can not be done in public places.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: indi52

asr talk on.

have i ever felt and fallen for a character more.

indeed a thesis can be written on him. especially given the unreal men populating our other serials.

no human being can be 100 percent perfect or all you want them to be. if we are to be honest that is. within us lie our flaws and our beauties.


i was blown away by what was beautiful in him, till his flaws did not matter.

passion, conscience, innocence, courage, boldness, extreme intelligence/quick wittedness, endearing straightforwardness, generosity, gratitude, belief in himself they were all defining characteristics.

it is not easy not to believe in god, stars, whatever, and make yourself solely responsible for your life.

sometimes it is downright scary.

easier to believe if you trust someone outside of yourself, if you pray and give prashad, if you put your faith in the eternal in some way obvious or evolved, things will happen the right way, the bad things will be allayed and good things come as blessings.

asr did not take that path... the terrible letting down by life triggered in him an aggressive defense position. he put up a hard, impregnable barrier all around and got ready to take it all on himself. and he did everything he could by it. worked like a maniac, shouldered the responsibility of his entire family, hardly gave himself any time for fun and games

he did almost everything for others, especially for the sister he loved more than himself in many ways.

to me this is a man praying his way.

and he was a survivor. with the scars of one.

those who loved him, his family, and maybe op (😳) and aman, knew exactly what a lovely man he was. yes he was stubborn and prone to crazy gussa, but inside him a pure beauty, an absolute giving caring person. oh i can quite quite understand why la felt that funny love for him and was willing to eat even stuff that gave her allergy just to make him happy, she was not just excited about his money and position... she was excited by his fearless, towering personality, and she sensed his tenderness, the combination has me passing out as i even think of it.

and what i loved hugely was that khushi fell in love with this man... who was not exactly the man she had imagined she'd love. but this one, with all his strange weird awful ways. there is an inherent excitement in this man, which almost anyone would feel, even those who disapprove of his ways. rakshas and laad governor is the one whom she got tired of hating and felt stirrings of a passion for that would not be abated, not even when he raved and ranted, not even when he forced her to do terrible stuff and constantly berated her. not even when he accused her of being a home breaker, a woman having an affair with his creepy bro in law. not. even. then.

all she wanted to do was prove to him that was not the case. she could tell how hurt he felt because of that misunderstanding... she needed to assuage his pain because he had become important to her, part of her...

that is the force of this character.

one of the most touching and telling things was his relationship with mami. the lady who gave her jewellery for his business, who loved him like her own and respected him. the crass woman whom the established raizada khandan might have found hard to accept. he felt her love, he somewhere understood her. completely. her need for power. her need for love. her essentially caring nature. he loved her dammit. uff that scene where without a word he buys the necklace she wants and sends it through di... he can't bear to see mami upset or feeling like she is not respected. whatever she might be, she is his aunt who loves him, he has a funny love for her too. lovely.

just like his nani is he in this astute understanding of character. in 211, he handles mami's hysteria, tells her to go relax... when she mumbles, "tumre liye," a curt really cute, "haan! mere liye," he knows she needs an out and gives it to her.

i have often wondered how this astute, perceptive man made such a mistake when it came to khushi on the terrace. was that trigger enough, did the story tellers choose their reason for his blinding rage well?

othello came to mind. the word "credulous" from eng lit classes. yes credulous, the opposite of astute/smart/thinking he became suddenly only for two reasons: because he loved her madly and because he was so insecure about loving, almost believing betrayal was around the corner.

his father's philandering and his belief that his mother killed herself because of that, undid many things in him, leaving a damaged part that had never been healed. he did not want to love. he did not trust love. and yet he did love. and then, suddenly like a self fulfilling prophecy his worst nightmare seemed to come true... there stood betrayal... the one he loved in another's arms... and while he watched, she exhorted this man to leave his sister.

when he saw her with shyam, chhap gaya hai dimaag mein... the mind stopped functioning, the heart broke, he went crazy.

gussa was his gear, his weapon always, this time he wore it like an armour, covered everything with it, body, head, eyes, lips, ears, and acted with full asr might.

only his heart, kambakht refused to be covered.

now this nuance, anyone might have written in, gul, gautam, whoever, but could anyone other than barun communicated it it with such poignancy, such presence? i know my answer 😳, asr ultimately was given life by barun... not the writers.

yes, they presented an interesting framework... but we must remember, the character had hardly any dialogues that revealed him. that job... to present the complexity, to feel the taciturn character and express him as he is, that was left to the actor finally.

i can't imagine forgiving anyone else that dragging to the temple, that laying down of ultimatums. and here, not only did i not want to hold khushi's hand and take her away from him and tell her "no need to love that brute," i wanted her to be near him... because i could sense he needed her desperately at that moment. i also felt bad for asr, really bad... not only for kkg. that was really the actor's doing.

i also believe barun made asr much more complex, nuanced, and unutterably sexy by playing him the way he did, he made asr more than what was written. okay, barun is naturally an attractive man who has that turn on factor... i am glad he used it to the hilt to make asr lovely. saw 347 where he proposes... will you marry me, a silly hackneyed line, how he used barun's sexiness and asr's keen mind to make it heartstoppingly real.

in plays and books, characters are told by their words and action. here there was action and silence, just things in the eyes, the jaws, the turn of head, a little smirk, a little darkening of chocolate... what the, dammit, bas, khushi, tum theek ho? seatbelt, get out, toh tum khush ho? became memorable quotes, say them and dhak dhak sure to unleash. because i love you dammit. can that ever be said without feeling ears flame, pulse race, a picture of angry eyes and voice flashing in the head.

years ago salim javed assessed the mind of the audience and wrote the angry young man... but if amitabh b had not brought that man to life and made him more with his interpretation, his intensity, hi voice, his droopy piercing unblinking eyes, his tall unyielding presence, his way of speaking, his way of pausing, and so much more would that angry young man become the concept he became? an actor's contribution in creating a character that is performed is invaluable, crucial. not everything is written in, the actor fills in the gaps and makes the character what it is. shakespeare's othello is beautifully written... but it is not enough to be a big dark man and mouth the lines to get the man.

on that terrace doorway, his heart broke to smithereens. he resorted to aggressive defence. sab kuch mere control mein hai. and again he learned... uh huh, everything is not in your control, especially your heart.

there was a destructive anger, an insecurity and vulnerability about loved ones that played hell into his and her lives, a certain "cut off" from the world around that interfered with empathy... and an extreme stroke of that belief in himself thing combined with a sense terrible chaos ignited the day of his parents' death... he believed everything was in his control.

life would of course go out of its way to show him otherwise.

and yet, he did not succumb, instead intelligently assessed and learned and tried to grow within that experience.

within him is the inherent mark of a larger than life, striding, extraordinary character. he reminds me of great individualistic heroes. i accept him as he is, with his every flaw.

that anger i would love to know more about, and if he could learn to control that a bit i'd be happy for him. but don't control it too much, i'd say, then it would come out in some other ugly way... i hope love will heal him somewhat, and there will come a day when he would have his nightmare less frequently. i am quite happy to hear him talk the way he did on karwa chauth and then try and respect his wife's point of view but not become her clone. i have a feeling his wife likes him exactly as he is. the way he likes her as she is.

there will be fights between them no doubt, parts of him will remain unresolved... but he will add texture i know, and who knows
exactly as she'd predicted, maybe one day he'll come home with two young women on his arms and tell kkgsr, get out, you're too old for me. ha ha just kidding.

he would grow old fabulously, remaining sexy beyond belief at even 95 i believe.

i thought i would write two lines on that man of few words. look what he made me do. yeh asr bhi na... i hate you, dammit.



Hi Indi Loved your ASR Analysis and made a rainbow of it. Guess I was also missing ASR. I too believe Barun gave life to ASR. It was not looks because - more then 80% of actors are good looking but we could not even imagine someone in ASR place other then Barun. The fact remained that ASR was angry and yes he was not perfect. I think a major charm in IPKKND was the chemistry and palpable love that ARSHI portrayed. We all have been in love and have seen people in love- but even in real life have never felt that love could be as palpable as SARUN did when they portrayed ARSHI. Like you said- a simple word- Tum Theek ho ( Are you OK). This is a normal polite line we have frequently used - however never thought it carried so much intensity and meaning until we saw that when Arnav said that to Khushi.
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Posted: 11 years ago

RIP SUCHITRA SEN A FASCINATING ACTRESS

THIS SONG OF HERS FOR HER
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF-NRF5RmLY[/YOUTUBE]
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