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Posted: 12 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: arisai

Okay so, I tried to stay away from this but it's gotten to the point where I feel as though I need to say something.


Maxine, I didn't realise that I'd annoyed you and Zehra so much by not PMing you about my internet connection at Uni once it was back up. I saw that you'd skipped over my go and figured that was the end of it. I thought letting you know I wouldn't be able to do it before hand would have been enough. I should have sent you a follow up, I'm sorry I didn't. I'll admit that it was irresponsible. I didn't take it as seriously as I maybe should have and was completely overwhelmed with Uni work by the time my College got internet in my room functioning again- it was my second term of University and I was falling behind. Even so, not considering its effect on everyone else was rude. I'm sorry.


Zehra, I don't know what I did to upset you or offend you so much. I'd apologise if I knew, but I don't.


I'm not trying to take the high road here, I get told that my long essays do exactly that as well as making me sound arrogant, derisive, pompous and 'Look-At-How-Much-Better-Than-You-I-Am' (direct quotes), but I'm just wordy.


That all said, I am 100% NOT okay with this post, I think it's mean and hypocritical after how you guys reacted when somebody did this exact thing to one of you- and to be honest with you, it's really, really upsetting.

I know that it was your intention to hurt peoples' feelings and you've all deliberately been as vicious as possible because your friend was upset, but I would like to hope that you didn't actually take time to consider the effect it would have on the people you were targeting when you made it. I'd like to believe that because this is the internet and it's a virtual platform, you didn't stop to consider the effects of your words on real people. Because I'd like to think none of you are happy that the result has been to bring a teenager to tears and to make me feel like scum over something as simple and as basic to me as sticking up for my friends. I like to think I have a pretty thick skin, but seeing people I thought were friends being so openly mean about me is really upsetting.


I appreciated having you guys as friends, and I honestly DID consider some of you friends. I have defended some of the Chamelis and recommended your writing and humour just as strongly as I have recommended and defended Munchy. You can pretend you don't remember, but you all know that I have. We were friends, you guys. If you've ever had a friend suddenly turn on you, then you know what I'm feeling right now.


I know you guys notice things like this as I've seen you comment on it when others have done it in the past, but I've unfollowed the Chamelis on Twitter. I didn't realise your opinions of me were so low and I don't want to fight with you. So I've just cut off connections on other platforms such as Twitter. I don't like being upset and so it just seemed smart to me to stay away from things and people that make me upset. I won't insult your intelligence by saying it wasn't personal. It was.


I'm half-expecting to see this mocked in future posts of yours, but as a group of people I once had a lot of respect for, I would be grateful and really appreciate it if you'd see this as me making a sincere apology and not laughing about it or belittling it by making snarky references to it in your comments to each other. I can't stop you, but I'm asking anyway.


Ridz is a very close and very dear friend of mine and I know she is now one of yours as well. She knows and has known me very well for over a year now, if you have any doubts as to whether or not I'm being sincere here, you can ask her.




There's just so much I wanted to say here, but I stayed away for hours because I didn't want to say something that would upset you further.

And before I continue, let me tell you this: I saw your post on Rae's thread yesterday and wanted to comment there with a link to the 'Public Apology' post, asking you how the two instances were any different. If one person can go public with baseless accusations on a forum and attack another member viciously, then why can't another member defend herself publicly as well?
I'd think twice about using the word 'hypocrite' here, if I were you.

Anyway, my point is that I wanted to respond with the above, but I stopped myself only because I did not want things to escalate.

However, since you have now come here with more accusations, I feel compelled to respond.

At first bold: You did not merely 'annoy' us by leaving us high and dry on the Collab FF. We waited for days, and when there was no word from you, the next writer had to write an update asap. She has a life too, you know. As do the rest of us. It threw the whole schedule into a mess, and everyone was affected.
Except our readers, who were our priority, as always.
The incident with the Collab FF changed my entire perception of you, and the discontinued FFs (Of which I was once an ardent reader) have cemented that image.
I know that you have apologized for that, but I couldn't let this pass without telling you exactly what happened when you lost your internet, and then became too busy to post a note.

At second bold: Like I said, one should be careful about what words they use.
Yes, we all know what this post was about, there's no denying that.
However, I think that you have missed the intent behind it. We were trying to use sarcasm as our language and question just how concepts and genres and commonplace things could be considered plagiarism.
And that brings me to third bold: How can you make presumptions about what may or may not have been intended when this post was made?
Just think about it for a moment. Most of the members we are supposedly inspired by, are no longer active on the forum. So how could we have expected you all to read this, and be offended by it anyway?

As for making you feel like scum, that wasn't my intention. I didn't even think you'd see this, to be honest.
But I did notice the numerous other members who thoroughly enjoyed this thread, and I'm glad there are still people with a wicked sense of humor here!

And no, I haven't forgotten how enthusiastic you were about the Chamelis. Fan Faraktion was nominated by you, how could I forget that?
But things change, and so do people. If you feel that it's upsetting to follow me on Twitter, then that's your prerogative, of course.

As for mocking your post, why would we do that if your apology is as sincere as you obviously want us to believe?

One final word, and this is only because you are much younger than I am. Think of it as friendly advice,that's all I can say.
It is very important to choose our friends wisely and well. I have been blessed in that department with my wonderful Chamelis, who are witty, wise and will not take crap from anyone.
Also, they are the kind of friends who will stand by you, no matter what. If one of us chooses to go on another members post with questions, rest assured that the others will follow with their support. We do not let anyone fight their battles alone, or watch from the sidelines.
We also do not accuse each other of plagiarizing , and to this day, not one Chameli has left the group for any reason.
We have met and bonded in the asli duniya, and that is the kind of friendship that is priceless.

With that said, I completely agree with your last words.
It's better to end this here, and not let this degrade into a fight.

Good Luck for your future, Rafa.
Edited by EXPELLIARMUS - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#93

Originally posted by: Semanti


Yes frnz.

But your signature plagiarized Rumi. 😲

He is on his way from his grave to tweet about it.



Sory frand.
Galti se mistakewa huyigawa.


I've added his name now. Please tell him to stop haunting my Twitter 😔
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Posted: 12 years ago
#94

Originally posted by: arisai

Okay so, I tried to stay away from this but it's gotten to the point where I feel as though I need to say something.


Maxine, I didn't realise that I'd annoyed you and Zehra so much by not PMing you about my internet connection at Uni once it was back up. I saw that you'd skipped over my go and figured that was the end of it. I thought letting you know I wouldn't be able to do it before hand would have been enough. I should have sent you a follow up, I'm sorry I didn't. I'll admit that it was irresponsible. I didn't take it as seriously as I maybe should have and was completely overwhelmed with Uni work by the time my College got internet in my room functioning again- it was my second term of University and I was falling behind. Even so, not considering its effect on everyone else was rude. I'm sorry.


Zehra, I don't know what I did to upset you or offend you so much. I'd apologise if I knew, but I don't.


I'm not trying to take the high road here, I get told that my long essays do exactly that as well as making me sound arrogant, derisive, pompous and 'Look-At-How-Much-Better-Than-You-I-Am' (direct quotes), but I'm just wordy.


That all said, I am 100% NOT okay with this post, I think it's mean and hypocritical after how you guys reacted when somebody did this exact thing to one of you- and to be honest with you, it's really, really upsetting.

I know that it was your intention to hurt peoples' feelings and you've all deliberately been as vicious as possible because your friend was upset, but I would like to hope that you didn't actually take time to consider the effect it would have on the people you were targeting when you made it. I'd like to believe that because this is the internet and it's a virtual platform, you didn't stop to consider the effects of your words on real people. Because I'd like to think none of you are happy that the result has been to bring a teenager to tears and to make me feel like scum over something as simple and as basic to me as sticking up for my friends. I like to think I have a pretty thick skin, but seeing people I thought were friends being so openly mean about me is really upsetting.


I appreciated having you guys as friends, and I honestly DID consider some of you friends. I have defended some of the Chamelis and recommended your writing and humour just as strongly as I have recommended and defended Munchy. You can pretend you don't remember, but you all know that I have. We were friends, you guys. If you've ever had a friend suddenly turn on you, then you know what I'm feeling right now.


I know you guys notice things like this as I've seen you comment on it when others have done it in the past, but I've unfollowed the Chamelis on Twitter. I didn't realise your opinions of me were so low and I don't want to fight with you. So I've just cut off connections on other platforms such as Twitter. I don't like being upset and so it just seemed smart to me to stay away from things and people that make me upset. I won't insult your intelligence by saying it wasn't personal. It was.


I'm half-expecting to see this mocked in future posts of yours, but as a group of people I once had a lot of respect for, I would be grateful and really appreciate it if you'd see this as me making a sincere apology and not laughing about it or belittling it by making snarky references to it in your comments to each other. I can't stop you, but I'm asking anyway.


Ridz is a very close and very dear friend of mine and I know she is now one of yours as well. She knows and has known me very well for over a year now, if you have any doubts as to whether or not I'm being sincere here, you can ask her.



Rafa I appreciate the fact that you came here and spoke, in this thread. Our intention wasn't to pick out on you, it was to highlight how PATHETIC the plagiarism accusations levied by a group of people have been getting over a period of time.

I remember you supporting many of our posts and you may not believe it we have done it to, it had probably not been obvious to you.

Anyhow this topic isn't about that. Belittling anyone on a public forum comes with its own perils.

Regarding the bolded part I have only one thing to say, when people start calling a respected individual in their words 'An Attention seeking wh**e,' I'm sorry I don't tend to feel generous about them, nor do my friends. Rafa you are getting upset with some harmless mocking targeted at a group of people. Imagine how hurt someone would feel if they see themselves being called a wh**e in a public platform?

I have nothing more to say, I don't feel upset about our posts, of course I'm upset that you have been disheartened by them. But not an ounce of regret otherwise.

P.S- Just so you know before these humor ridden posts began, I did try to reason out with people who were once my friends too. We are also decent people, you know. We don't necessarily jump at people throats all the time. What happened to those emails, is something you must ask the concerned party.

Edited by Naach_Basanti - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#95

Originally posted by: EXPELLIARMUS



There's just so much I wanted to say here, but I stayed away for hours because I didn't want to say something that would upset you further.

And before I continue, let me tell you this: I saw your post on Rae's thread yesterday and wanted to comment there with a link to the 'Public Apology' post, asking you how the two instances were any different. If one person can go public with baseless accusations on a forum and attack another member viciously, then why can't another member defend herself publicly as well?
I'd think twice about using the word 'hypocrite' here, if I were you.

Anyway, my point is that I wanted to respond with the above, but I stopped myself only because I did not want things to escalate.

However, since you have now come here with more accusations, I feel compelled to respond.

At first bold: You did not merely 'annoy' us by leaving us high and dry on the Collab FF. We waited for days, and when there was no word from you, the next writer had to write an update asap. She has a life too, you know. As do the rest of us. It threw the whole schedule into a mess, and everyone was affected.
Except our readers, who were our priority, as always.
The incident with the Collab FF changed my entire perception of you, and the discontinued FFs (Of which I was once an ardent reader) have cemented that image.
I know that you have apologized for that, but I couldn't let this pass without telling you exactly what happened when you lost your internet, and then became too busy to post a note.

At second bold: Like I said, one should be careful about what words they use.
Yes, we all know what this post was about, there's no denying that.
However, I think that you have missed the intent behind it. We were trying to use sarcasm as our language and question just how concepts and genres and commonplace things could be considered plagiarism.
And that brings me to third bold: How can you make presumptions about what may or may not have been intended when this post was made?
Just think about it for a moment. Most of the members we are supposedly inspired by, are no longer active on the forum. So how could we have expected you all to read this, and be offended by it anyway?

As for making you feel like scum, that wasn't my intention. I didn't even think you'd see this, to be honest.
But I did notice the numerous other members who thoroughly enjoyed this thread, and I'm glad there are still people with a wicked sense of humor here!

And no, I haven't forgotten how enthusiastic you were about the Chamelis. Fan Faraktion was nominated by you, how could I forget that?
But things change, and so do people. If you feel that it's upsetting to follow me on Twitter, then that's your prerogative, of course.

As for mocking your post, why would we do that if your apology is as sincere as you obviously want us to believe?

One final word, and this is only because you are much younger than I am. Think of it as friendly advice,that's all I can say.
It is very important to choose our friends wisely and well. I have been blessed in that department with my wonderful Chamelis, who are witty, wise and will not take crap from anyone.
Also, they are the kind of friends who will stand by you, no matter what. If one of us chooses to go on another members post with questions, rest assured that the others will follow with their support. We do not let anyone fight their battles alone, or watch from the sidelines.
We also do not accuse each other of plagiarizing , and to this day, not one Chameli has left the group for any reason.
We have met and bonded in the asli duniya, and that is the kind of friendship that is priceless.

With that said, I completely agree with your last words.
It's better to end this here, and not let this degrade into a fight.

Good Luck for your future, Rafa.



Again, I take your point. Again, what you've said is a fair and rational way of putting your point across. Thank you for not lashing out as you might have originally wanted to.


The reward for me in writing on this forum was always that it was fun. It isn't anymore. My IF friends had almost all left, and the show was so uninspiring I hadn't watched in months even before it ended. The forum just isn't even in my thoughts anymore, let alone any sort of priority. Writing fanfiction isn't something I want to try and make time for in my day anymore. So I don't. I make no apologies for that, just for the people I left high and dry in doing so.


I'm not saying you were wrong to hope the message would reach the intended targets via whatever means, but pretending that you didn't think this would be seen is silly. You're all aware that I posted about BTLSS reopening and with Zehra saying something about an "onslaught of PMs and scraps" after her getting the link removed, I know that you all knew I was still around. There was mocking after that post, so even if you hadn't seen the BTLSS post itself, it was known from that point.


As for the intent of all this... E please give me more credit than to try and tell me there wasn't any sort of ill feeling or intent to hurt people. If you didn't think it would hurt people, then I'll just say your words are a lot more powerful than you give yourself credit for. This is cyber-bullying. Just because it's done with a 'wicked sense of humour', or even if that really wasn't how it was meant, that doesn't make it less so.

I've already acknowledged my part and I'll acknowledge it again. I know how to use words to hurt people and I've done it before. It was mean and it was wrong and if they felt bullied or victimised, in hindsight, I'm extremely sorry. But every time, when I was doing it, I believed I had my reasons and that they were justified.

Like I said to Maxine, I therefore get it. I understand. I can see your point of view and your need to stick up for each other. The other day's events touched a nerve and this was a reaction post. I get it. But it is what it is. Denying this thread as being cyber-bullying is just insulting.


You guys mock everything. You try to find the humour in everything. That's what I appreciated so much about you all. I don't know if the only reason I'm not seeing it this time is because it's directed at my friends (and in later pages, me), but there's just an undercurrent of vindictiveness in this thread that I know is intentional, simply because my friends and I have done it before.


While I thank you for you concern, I do pick my friends wisely, and just because they have a different way of showing their support to how you and yours do it, it doesn't mean any of them show it in their own ways any less. While I genuinely do appreciate your advice and I know exactly why you gave it, I wouldn't and haven't offended your friends or your friendships with them, nor would I insinuate anything negative about either. You and Maxine have both done that to mine in your replies and it's the one bit of both your posts I don't appreciate. I have found people who accept me exactly as I am, flaws and all, and I do the same with them. I'm incredibly glad that you have as well. Everyone deserves great friends.


I really don't think there's anything left to be said now as I think between you and Maxine, you've pretty much told me everything you wanted me to hear and believe me when I say, I heard you. I don't think I have anything left to say either.

Thank you, and to all of you as well.

Edited by arisai - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#96

Originally posted by: arisai



Again, I take your point. Again, what you've said is a fair and rational way of putting your point across. Thank you for not lashing out as you might have originally wanted to.


The reward for me in writing on this forum was always that it was fun. It isn't anymore. My IF friends had almost all left, and the show was so uninspiring I hadn't watched in months even before it ended. The forum just isn't even in my thoughts anymore, let alone any sort of priority. Writing fanfiction isn't something I want to try and make time for in my day anymore. So I don't. I make no apologies for that, just for the people I left high and dry in doing so.


I'm not saying you were wrong to hope the message would reach the intended targets via whatever means, but pretending that you didn't think this would be seen is silly. You're all aware that I posted about BTLSS reopening and with Zehra saying something about an "onslaught of PMs and scraps" after her getting the link removed, I know that you all knew I was still around. There was mocking after that post, so even if you hadn't seen the BTLSS post itself, it was known from that point.


As for the intent of all this... E please give me more credit than to try and tell me there wasn't any sort of ill feeling or intent to hurt people. If you didn't think it would hurt people, then I'll just say your words are a lot more powerful than you give yourself credit for. This is cyber-bullying. Just because it's done with a 'wicked sense of humour', or even if that really wasn't how it was meant, that doesn't make it less so.

I've already acknowledged my part and I'll acknowledge it again. I know how to use words to hurt people and I've done it before. It was mean and it was wrong and if they felt bullied or victimised, in hindsight, I'm extremely sorry. But every time, when I was doing it, I believed I had my reasons and that they were justified.

Like I said to Maxine, I therefore get it. I understand. I can see your point of view and your need to stick up for each other. The other day's events touched a nerve and this was a reaction post. I get it. But it is what it is. Denying this thread as being cyber-bullying is just insulting.


You guys mock everything. You try to find the humour in everything. That's what I appreciated so much about you all. I don't know if the only reason I'm not seeing it this time is because it's directed at my friends (and in later pages, me), but there's just an undercurrent of vindictiveness in this thread that I know is intentional, simply because my friends and I have done it before.


While I thank you for you concern, I do pick my friends wisely, and just because they have a different way of showing their support to how you and yours do it, it doesn't mean any of them show it in their own ways any less. While I genuinely do appreciate your advice and I know exactly why you gave it, I wouldn't and haven't offended your friends or your friendships with them, nor would I insinuate anything negative about either. You and Maxine have both done that to mine in your replies and it's the one bit of both your posts I don't appreciate. I have found people who accept me exactly as I am, flaws and all, and I do the same with them. I'm incredibly glad that you have as well. Everyone deserves great friends.


I really don't think there's anything left to be said now as I think between you and Maxine, you've pretty much told me everything you wanted me to hear and believe me when I say, I heard you. I don't think I have anything left to say either.

Thank you, and to all of you as well.



I have nothing much to say here, because it is apparent that we are speaking in two different languages for the most part.

However, @bold: You must forgive my assumption that this wouldn't be seen by any of you. I based that on the fact that you weren't even around on IF long enough to post a note of explanation on any of your FFs about their final discontinuation.
I saw your post on Rae's thread, and later the other post on BTLSS was pointed out to me by someone. I just assumed that you had come here for that purpose and had left immediately.
I have this to say, though: I have no problem saying something to anyone directly, if I feel that they have done something wrong.

If my intent was to hurt someone with words deliberately, believe me, they would have known it upfront. However, I really don't have time for that sort of thing , no matter what anyone thinks.

Like NB said on the previous page, this was a post that mocked the gazillion baseless accusations of plagiarism that erupt from time to time, always from the same group of people. If anyone chooses to actually log into IF after ages, open this post, and read between the lines to come up with something that wasn't even intended, then that really isn't my problem.

About everything else, I'd rather not respond.
This is definitely my last word on the subject.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#97

Originally posted by: Naach_Basanti



Rafa I appreciate the fact that you came here and spoke, in this thread. Our intention wasn't to pick out on you, it was to highlight how PATHETIC the plagiarism accusations levied by a group of people have been getting over a period of time.

I remember you supporting many of our posts and you may not believe it we have done it to, it had probably not been obvious to you.

Anyhow this topic isn't about that. Belittling anyone on a public forum comes with its own perils.

Regarding the bolded part I have only one thing to say, when people start calling a respected individual in their words 'An Attention seeking wh**e,' I'm sorry I don't tend to feel generous about them, nor do my friends. Rafa you are getting upset with some harmless mocking targeted at a group of people. Imagine how hurt someone would feel if they see themselves being called a wh**e in a public platform?

I have nothing more to say, I don't feel upset about our posts, of course I'm upset that you have been disheartened by them. But not an ounce of regret otherwise.

P.S- Just so you know before these humor ridden posts began, I did try to reason out with people who were once my friends too. We are also decent people, you know. We don't necessarily jump at people throats all the time. What happened to those emails, is something you must ask the concerned party.


Okay cool. It seems like you guys are all saying the same thing again and again and so am I. Maybe we're just not understanding what the other is trying to put across. And I don't think we will. So out of respect, I'll leave this thread and won't come back to read any further replies because if I do, I'll end up replying.

Oh and as for the wh**e thing, I have been. On this forum, I've been called that and a lot, lot worse. I know exactly how it feels. And it happened because I was sticking up for a friend in that case as well. I'm sorry anyone else had to go through that.

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Posted: 12 years ago
#98

I came back here to read more and the smile has been replaced with an incredulous expression. I had a question and would be happy if you guys took the time out to answer.

Has it become a trend of sorts to say whatever you please and pass it off saying "in hind sight I should not have done it but at that time I felt justified to say that"?

PS – Working on a Sunday when everyone gets to chill out makes me angry and irritable, so humour me

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Posted: 12 years ago
#99

Originally posted by: Kalyaani

I came back here to read more and the smile has been replaced with an incredulous expression. I had a question and would be happy if you guys took the time out to answer.

Has it become a trend of sorts to say whatever you please and pass it off saying "in hind sight I should not have done it but at that time I felt justified to say that"?

PS ' Working on a Sunday when everyone gets to chill out makes me angry and irritable, so humour me


Yes K, its a trend.

You see, 70s Bollywood popularized a phrase - "Angrez chale gaye, 'sorry' chod gaye"

So now this is the replacement - and it sits well with one's ego too. I too use it sometimes, its convenient. 😳
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: arisai


Okay cool. It seems like you guys are all saying the same thing again and again and so am I. Maybe we're just not understanding what the other is trying to put across. And I don't think we will. So out of respect, I'll leave this thread and won't come back to read any further replies because if I do, I'll end up replying.

Oh and as for the wh**e thing, I have been. On this forum, I've been called that and a lot, lot worse. I know exactly how it feels. And it happened because I was sticking up for a friend in that case as well. I'm sorry anyone else had to go through that.



Im sorry you have been called a wh**e, no one deserves to (not even a sinner), especially not those who did nothing wrong. And imagine the person who called you a wh**e is/was your friend.

So now that you understand how hurting it is, I assume you would understand what started this. If you still don't understand what drove these posts, what the starting point is, I guess you are right. This is a futile exercise.


Maybe Expel and you are right, we should leave it with this. And I hope this is truly the end of baseless plagiarism accusations. because I honestly cannot think of anymore witty OS'es to write on the issue should they crop up another time.


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