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Posted: 12 years ago
kk,

thanks for the bat mitzvah wishes. saw your earlier posts, left a reply on the previous page, but there was one about khushi and her sense of guilt or lack thereof regarding la when she was attracted to asr, can't find the post (ok it's on 136).

very valid point. and i have often wondered why this wasn't ever addressed. my feeling, could be one of two things.

1. channel inflicted problem. there is this deification (almost) of female lead characters as though they can do no wrong, i suppose it's meant to please the target audience, mainly women, often women who are powerless in many ways and so feel thrilled to see the power and above it all status of women (not psychoanalysing just free floatinmg through the problem). in the end, it has a terrible impact on the character as a whole and makes them weaker. but who cares. the thing for integrity and quality not uppermost on channel's mind, only the skewed trp and how to use it to get max money out of advertiser.

2. a flawed conception of character by writer. sometimes get the feeling that khushi is rarely looked at as anything more than a devise to delineate and develop asr's character and story. she seems to have not been given the attention or understanding as an independent character. she is pure utility oriented, they move her as they please to tell asr's story.

if that is the case, it is sad sad, but one sees it in enough writing. very very few male writers, film makers, artists, have understood a woman with empathy and respect. a bias always stalks. any one can tell you that a character like khushi would be shocked to discover the feelings she has for asr, and would naturally feel a twinge of major guilt vis a vis la, especially since they are friends and la is now almost protective of her. but that was simply missed by everyone.

it's to sanaya's credit that we continued to connect with khushi, despite the haphazard, unthought out writing/manipulating of female lead traits.

a huge amount of thinking re asr, would have benefited both characters and story if an equal amount went into making khushi.

oh that making her 23 or something from 18 without a thought... how terribly gender biased... we don't matter you see, m'deah. it is a man's world. 😆 actually, in a sort of uncomfortable vein barun had said in an interview, this story is about the male lead because in our world usually the man takes the central place... words to that effect.

but me with you... khushi ought to have felt things about la and had a conversation with herself or dm. even one line would have added. just as that line of asr's. maybe i was never ever fair to la, did its thing.

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: cinthiann1758



Oh Wiwy just love Tagore!!! His words are breathtaking just like when Indi writes the same happens to me. Thank you so much. As for Dad and your family you all are in my prayers always. Enjoy the time with your family and I pray for safe travels for all. The only thing I am going to ask is what is your Dad holding heavily on his heart? If you can get him to talk about it his pain may go away. I do believe we hold on to things that cause our illnesses. Just like my back issues probably related to feeling that I had lost my support, my mom. I will continue to pray but just love on him a lot. Get him to take deep breaths and RELAX. He will feel a lot better knowing he is not alone. Miss you love you xo Cyn🤗



ok, cynthia, i just passed out this morning when i read that in blue. me and tagore in the same sentence. the everyday and most ordinary and the rare, the incredible. i want to kiss you, but i know i am just not worthy of this comparison. if i made you feel good, that is super dooper wonderful and makes me feel honoured.

i have found a huge amount of peace, acceptance, generosity, big thinking, and gorgeous words in rabindranath's work. i have read very little given the huge amount of work he's done. if you get a chance, see his paintings on the net. i get very immersed when i see his paintings, no idea why.

haven't read much high literature, but in a book called "nashta neer" or the broken nest, he's shown a fine understanding of women in a given social setting which doesn't seem to harm her but never ever understands her needs or gives her the right to be an individual, most beautifully and with so much feeling. this was made into a wonderful film by satyajit ray in 1964 (i think). i have rarely seen this sensitivity for women in anything i've read or seen... i have a feeling aparna sen's "poroma" made years later, picked up the question from tagore's book and found its own answer.

an incredible man, with almost a child's innocence...
who can write these words without being open as the sky of heart.

"koto ojanare janaile tumi koto ghore dile thain
dur ke korile nikot bondhu, por ke korile bhai."

the full song in english...

"thou hast made me known to friends whom i knew not.
thou hast given me seats in homes not my own. thou hast brought the distant near and made a brother of the stranger.
i am uneasy at heart when I have to leave my accustomed shelter; I forget that there abides the old in the new, and that there also thou abidest.
through birth and death, in this world or in others, wherever thou leadest me it is thou, the same, the one companion of my endless life who ever linkest my heart with bonds of joy to the unfamiliar.
when one knows thee, then alien there is none, then no door is shut. oh, grant me my prayer that i may never lose the bliss of the touch of the one in the play of the many."


reminds me of the thread. all of you.

ok let me again state, i am not "knowledgeable" about robi thakur... part of my memory and environment. in calcutta people are still arguing deep into the night and the next cup of tea as to who knows his life more intensely and who has read him more, or which singer exactly was the ultimate in rabindrasangeet. passions run high when he is mentioned. arguments never end. thankfully, you needn't bother with all that... just go to the net and there he is.

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Posted: 12 years ago

Khushi's Engagement PART -3

Continue from Part -2

Tu Hi Bata Mere Maula-5th time

Egoistic and narcissistic ways of Arnav and Shyam are making a rose, a pearl , and a pure soul muddled and crushed but the only thing is making a difference is Shyam's covetous and avaricious acts over Arnav's altruistic ,benevolent, timid ,caring and bleeding heart acts in this process.Arnav's discontent ,anxiety , and tizzy dither over hers during engagement was unbearable and that's make a BIG difference.

Tu Hi Bata Mere Maula-5th time

Gar pyar inn ko keenche takrar inn ko roke'Raba


Symbolisms and connection:Khushi and Arnav walking away with the promise for not seeing each other under the SUN , but parents know how to make things work along with DM who is watching every move to turn it around and above all Krishna is joining the team to bring this atheist at one voice "Hari" as other meaning of Hari is "SUN "[Indi and Rebecca that's why Hari Prakash is coming which I've been pointing out all along] and above all one of Hari's meaning is "ISHQ" as Arnav's eye of love is going to see things in that flame which is going to burn him to make him realize "What is he doing?" in his jealousy where he is at the verge of losing her and that fear just like "Hamesha keh Liye" is too unbearable for him.Hari is the name of Krishna and Vishnu who takes away all the distress and anxieties and he will be releasing his and hers distress all along.

PONDERING CONNECTED DOTS:The payesh wedding is one of the biggest distress will be solved in this way after realization "tou who sach keh rahi thi"\which started in epi 1st.[TRUST is sneaking in] - really good connection 👏

Yuon to bade hain. inke kadam inhain rashta tuhi dikha..Rabba

Walking in the same direction parallel meaning they will be together in hate or love

Shyam's plan is bringing fruit to him as Buaji ,his biggest pawn is declaring he does not need any Mahuraat ...announcing the same as Arnav thinks he is God and he writes other people's destiny along with him and Shyam too as he can play around with people's destiny to make his own .During and after engagement his bracelet was so much visible as always.

The part which I loved was this parallel scene, side by side.Khushi is forced to put engagement ring on him for Babuji's sake.Buaji's love for his brother is understandable but her illogical theory of making a pure soul going through all without her consent can't justify anything.Poor father is warning her child and but just like the other night her "Theek hai" - Arshi very perfectly said...lik is Buaji has totally lost her brains

when Arnav left her with this "koi matlab nahin"[doesn't mean anything] ,it is still reflecting here but not with that intensity as she is doing it for the time being and will take care of later.She did not touch him while putting ring on him as she is not allowing herself to touch him and will not do so as only one man can cast this right and she gave him this right unintentionally.😉

- this is really good 👏

Her hesitant in this matter starts when he tries to put her ring .She does not want to raise her hand .

Buaji,"khushi, haath aage badhao bitiya... apne babuji ki khatir haath age badhao..." [khushi, hold out your hand for your father's sake,] and an orphan looks at her father who gave her everything and taught her to be a fighter as she is like his son and commander in chief after him but couldn't get his sense of directions today in this delusional paying off day.

She is echoing each and every moment which she spent with her Arnavji in her each breath which is saying his name right now. His concerns in that tiffin box,his attachment through her Dupatta,his patience for her blabbering during Nainital where he became her protector, His concerns while pulling her off from the ditch right next to his heart to be safe,his tenderness while taking off fairy lights and arousing her desires in her,his closeness during blowing dust in her eyes with passionate touch, His care while crossing diyas looking in her eyes to show her his presence with compassion ,his kneeling down for putting payal on her with respect and above all his tenderheartedness in his each and every action is raising her heartbeat to kiss her...Yes she wants to kiss him not this stranger...👏 - very well written...i feel bad for Khushi...tht girl has nvr asked for anythin from life...nd still she has to bear all this heartbreak 🥺

who is ready to put the ring on her and she just lets him for the sake of her father.She is definitely having all the moments in front of her eyes where this father did whatever in his command to make her life happy and full of zing.This is paying off time...but..here he is again in front of her eyes THE man who just wrapped his tenderness around her hand in front of God and parents ,who just took oath to be with her through thick and thin ,The man she loved and he loved her no matter what..its impossible to forget as he is the reason of her breathing"Hum saans hi nahi le payenge"[I wouldn't be able to breath] 👏👏

- too good 👏👏

'Buaji snaps her out,"What is this ...its ok give your other hand "...Ring in a wrong hand meaning engagement did not occur ...

PONDERING CONNECTED DOTS:Shyam during his revelation points out that there is no one witness for this engagement and no pics.He thought here really well but how he supposed to hide the wedding ...just a thought! - m pretty sure he would hav called his own photographers nd then paid them off to nvr print those pictures...

Khushi is sitting under the moon to seek answers from her parents thinking about two incidents which happened in one day with flowing tears.She did not give any attention to Scorpy who declared today why did he marry Anjali...Good job my girl...

Just wondering is this the same gift wrapper Arnav finds during Prreto wedding...

Her heart beat which does not need to cover any distance and is raising its inundation in his heart with arising storm .His foreboding ,premonition and apprehension is not making him rest either .The BG music is adding fuel to the fire .Walking back and forth in his room..They both are going through turbulent moments at this moment which was rising each moment while ring was slipping in her finger.Standing bsides Eternal Heaven[poolside] in gripping heartfelt pain.👏

PONDERING CONNECTED DOTS:When Khushi told him leaving "hamesha keh Liye" he was standing with waving curtains going through with pain but intensity has been raged now since then...

A drop of blood makes him wonder about how he wipes off her blood in Mandir and then fight.."Aaj se abhi se meri zindagi se nikal jao"[from this very moment get out of my life]

👏👏

Rage runs through his veins and he takes tissue to wipe that "MARK" off of him as she does not want to keep any relation with him as they just had fight and promises for not seeing each others


PONDERING CONNECTED DOTS:Coming after Bersarai he was wiping Sindoor off as she did not talk to him.But today the intensity bar is way higher to bring it down to forget her.

The intensity of whirling emotions in him in this scene is unbearable..I said Leave Dammit, about flashbacks of her falling into his arms in Sheesh Mahal,his taking her in his arms for safety during rain without thinking of his own,...


Erasing her MARK by wiping vigorously

Her closeness during rain hug under the pouring emotions within and from the sky ,dropping her from his office in rage which she initiated,pushing her against the wall in guest house wher he touched her very first time and touched her tenderness ,for bringing her home by carrying her in his arms first time and got Marked by her bangles ⭐️😳 - Amazing 👏

More tissues as "Her Mark" is not leaving😉 ,

They banged together by splashing Sindoor all over,holding on to her teej too close to him ,their encounter in store room where he realized she is leaving him forever..

tissues after tissues for making this "Mark"out of his life

Her closeness while her earing got stuck with her,his twisting her too close to show her his command when she calls him a man without character,Her sharing her secrets under the stars with tears,her hugging him in hospital for his protection and her dependence ,falling on Rangoli splashing all colors...and DIWALI he is ready to kiss her...

- WoW soo many pic...⭐️ too good 👏

flinging the tissue box,Arnav swearing "nahi karoonga usse yaad, aaj ke baad kabhi usske baare mein nahin sochunga..."Same way she made in the Mandir .."Bhool keh bhi unhan yaad nahin karainge"

A scoundrel had just won his first round but did he?

The promises have been made as "they will not see or remember each other" {na tumhari shakal nahin dekhni hai aur na tumhari baat sunni hai...aur yeh definitely mere haath mein hai KKG...Aaj keh baad humain bhi aapse nahin milna hai Mr ASR] hmmm/..

but can they ? Lets proceed ...shall we?😳

❤️ 👏 - very nice

MOMENT OF THE DAY

Edited by supriya.arshi - 12 years ago
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- this is really nice 👏

Episode-115

A cheerful, garrulous girl who spreads laughter and happiness to everywhere, has become gloomy sad, pensive, as if she lost herself. But still trying to lead her life perfunctorily without any zeal. - very well written 👏

She has to live for the sake of her family. She doesn't have the luxury to pamper her sorrow. She has to participate the rituals of her unwanted marriage. She doesn't need to work any more. Or moreover how can she go there after hearing such flippancy from the man who changed her life in a day.She dreamed a forbidden dream, forgot for a while that she can't dare to dream so big. -
Superb writing ⭐️

But what possibly she could do, he is just too irresistible. Didn't he instigate her to feel for him, didn't he inebriate her with his charm, didn't he show her that he cares, didn't he put the consoling hands on her head? - 👏
too good

Khushi is incredulous to call RM, if he picks the call, what will she say. She decides to call Anjali instead to let her know that she will not gonna come for work any more. But Anjali is not ready to let her bid bye like this. Khushi explains that her work is done as naniji agrees to accept Lavanya. Nani requests her to come to RM as she considers her as their own. How Khushi can refuse Nani. so she agrees. Nani is really pleased with Khushi, "she is a very good child and will never disobey me." . They are are planning to treat her.

While descending from the stairs my sexy boy listens that Khushi is coming and his nani and sister are planning big for her as it's her last day. he gets annoyed to hear that. He is reeling under the effects of a complex melange of emotions that are causing tumult inside. Nani brings a gold pendant for Khushi, what made mami jealous, "why do you need to give her precious gold" she taunts them "why don't you throw a big party for her?"

Khushi is repugnant, whether she should go or not! but the mannat ki chabi, she needs to return it. she doesn't want to keep any memory of him. Moreover she promised to nani. So how can she ignores her! Buaji reminds her to take her bag and the key too. she holds the key in her hand and mutters in abhorrence" If I'll go there, he will talk harshly again." Poor girl, doesn't have the courage left to face his acrimony.👏

Where in his room my sexy boy can't concentrate on his work. Lost in reminiscences, all feelings of love and hate is seeping out from his heart. The pool side scene, he is clapsing the payal on her ankle and his attempting to kiss her, then his afflictive words, "it doesn't mean nothing", all are reverberating in his mind. His convulsion is making him deranged. nani's words are echoing in his ears " it's her last day". he is really perturbed. La's words pulsates his anger more. she also reminds him that it's her last day. She wants to gift her something, may be a La kind of dress. Arnav gets terribly frantic. he slams the lappy and storms out from the room.

In the living room all the ladies are talking about khushi. Mami shows her happiness as she will not gonna come to RM any more. Nani gets annoyed to hear that, "you must be grateful to Khushi. because of her Ms. kashyap has changed, she accepted her and Chote agreed for marriage. now she can think of Akash's marriage as well." - Mami is weird 😡

Arnav hears that nani is planning something what can make Khushi to keep coming to RM. La also gets excited to hear that, "can we agree her?" Anjali is skeptical, "I don't think so. she even didn't want to come. She agreed because me and nani insisted." Arnav gets exasperated more to hear it, He says grimly "what is the need to call her here?" All the ladies get flummoxed to hear his animosity towards khushi. He is implacable. "her work is done in this house, she already left from our life, then why did you call her here again?" Anjali says in embroilment,, "why are you so angry?" What answer he can give, so he brings the money again,"She will charge for extra money for working extra day." (pause: Mr. Raizada, you are so benevolent person,
donates to lots of organization, now counting one day's salary of a poor employee! that's ridiculous isn't it? next time make some accusation which is believable to others.) 😆 - really well said

Nani refutes, 'bas chote don't measure everything with money." he emulates, "kuch logo ko liye hota he. kya zaroorat he us larki ke liye itna drama karne ki? uske uska paisa mil chuki hai, phir kyu bulaya use? Anjali gets upset to hear his poignant words, "stop talking like this, chote." But he is indignant, " yes, you are right,I'm pissed off, khushi this, Khushi that." He turns around to ascend up the stairs when he senses her presence. He slowly turns his head and sees Khushi is congealed there in consternation. he is also perplexed to see her. She intends to leave, but nani stops her, " you came her on my invitation. so you don't need to leave for anybody else." mami is always ready to vex her😡, "she sure will come, just doing drama." Mami's scathing words makes her more upset. Anjali rushes to her and requests her to come in. La also joins her, "if you don't come then I'll eat up all of your jalebi" Tears are welling up in Khushi's eyes. She looks up at him with abhorrence ,"why so much asperity!" he also feels guilty i guess. he goes up, but looks back to see her again. His eyes are telling the different story. 👏 -
very well written

the ladies are gratifying khushi with gifts. first nani gives her the gold chain with a pendant. Khushi refuses to take nani's expensive gift, but agrees when she insists. Anjali gives her a Geeta and blesses her as well. la aslo got a gift for her. But I'm surprised to see Mami's meanness. she insults her again with her shallow act. She tells Khushi to give her hand, touches it and snatches her hand away by addressing her as a servant. i wish if I could slap her right there!😡 - Bingo same here...you go for one cheek...i'll go for the other 😈

A terribly disturbed man hollered at a poor guy. All the ladies in the living room jerk to hear his out burst. Arnav broke the glass of juice what OP brought for him. He is shouting at him for not getting coffee. Poor OP defends himself that he asked for Juice. He gets exasperated more and tells him to get out of his sight. Poor guy can't finish to clean up the mess, leaves the broken glass on the table and goes from there. nani is frustrated, 'nowadays chote screams a lot."
pause: yes nani, plz think. he just wished to get married. so he must be happy. Instead of getting happy he is getting more frantic👍🏼.

The family are getting prepared for the marriage of Arnav and La. Pandit comes with La's horroscope. Anjail wants Khushi to join them. Khushi tells her that she gonna join them soon. She has to complete the task for what she came to RM. She sees Mr. grumpy through the window. he is also staring at her. Vortex of emotions are visible in their eyes, not hate, but concern, compassion, cares and lots of tenderness.

In GH the nasty shyam is playing with babuji's medicine now. he expresses his desire to get engaged on the very day. babuji is fuming but poor guy, so helpless in front of that devil.

Back in the poolside Arnav feels the breeze again. she is here. he turns and says in cool voice,"go from her." She cringes inwardly. when he sees she is still standing there, he says disdainfully ,"Neither I want to see your face nor i want to talk to you. Bid bye to everybody and go." Khushi is valiant, "I also don't have a wish to talk to you. I came to." she can't finish when he barges at her, "didn't I tell you I don't need to talk to you about anything. don't you understand the words once spoken." She steps back in abhorrence, but tries to talk, "but you.". he prowls towards her, grabbing hold of both her upper arms vehemently, "I said leave damn it." He strengthens his grip on her arms, looking straight in her eyes. when he sees billow of pain in her eyes he can't grasp it any more. he leaves her with a jerk, what makes Khushi flip and her hand falls on the broken glass. She must cut her finger. Arnav turns back to her, his anger pulsates, his eyes closed, jaw clenched, fist clutched, he tries to control his anger, gathers courage and turns again to face her. He speaks gruffly in a low voice, 'are you still there?" but there is no need to say anything, cause she is already gone. - Really Amazingly written Sohara ⭐️👏

she is rushing to leave covering her hand with her dupatta. She needs to hide her pain from the world and his guilt as well. Anjali asks her why didn't she join them? Khushi wishes to leave. Anjali tells her to stay more time, "you just came." But khushi can't stay there for any longer, "no i have to go to mandir, so i must leave. " Anjali is upset, "You must felt bad at chote's words? I'll miss you a lot. i wish God gave you all the happiness in life." She hugs her. khsuhi takes the blessing of naani and doesn't forget to greet mamiji also. but she returns her greetings acrimoniously. La takes her in embrace, "i'll miss you. But i'll take you to a party for sure. " when nani glares angrily, she mends herself, "and satsang too." the ladies are really sad that she is leaving. and my sexy boy also. he can't express his anguish, but feels scorching pain in his heart. His words can lie but his eyes can't.👏


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Originally posted by: supriya.arshi


Supi Thnx for your lovely feed back .Thnx for lots of stars for connections,edits and thoughts.THANK YOU.Yes Buaji was a bit too much and couldn't settle with me .Kind a over board stuff.Hating my Scorpy more and more.

Yes turbulence of emotions is raging on both sides lets see where we are heading now.😳

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Originally posted by: kushikumari

butting in here...
ina, while i agree with you that asr was really harsh, there were times when kushi could have just told him off, especially when he offered more money. both payal and buaji tell her to, but she doesn't listen. i know, i know, she had to be brought back to RM to keep the story going, but, we could have had a stronger kushi. one who didn't just dole out talks on values, but actually lived them. she could have had a job and yet helped at RM, throwing his money back in his face. that would have shown character. but she is just all over the place.

-kk


Ina I know what are you trying to say .I felt that too but not slapping him but definitely giving him some peace to his mind

kk

I know I always wanted to see her the way she was from the beginning but I think the change in the story and channel thingy everything seems unfit to her character and she was a BAHU a perfect oneLater and I agreed with you as I wanted her to throw that money at his face but again for the sake of family she suffered that insult.
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Can I make the banner for the new thread? Pretty please? *pouts*

I know we have thread 11 & I'm still stuck on this thread but nevermind 😆

If someone can tell me which episode are we watching presently then I'll use the pics of episodes before that one. And if you guys don't need my unwanted banner then it's okay, I'll drop the idea 😆 I'm enjoying this editing business nowadays so thought of making something for this thread. I already feel guilty for being inactive here :(

Okay thanks bye! :P
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Originally posted by: ...Doctor...

Can I make the banner for the new thread? Pretty please? *pouts*


I know we have thread 11 & I'm still stuck on this thread but nevermind 😆

If someone can tell me which episode are we watching presently then I'll use the pics of episodes before that one. And if you guys don't need my unwanted banner then it's okay, I'll drop the idea 😆 I'm enjoying this editing business nowadays so thought of making something for this thread. I already feel guilty for being inactive here :(

Okay thanks bye! :P



Hey Doc i think Indi will be Pretty happy to add more collage to thread 12...just mail to her...i think we r in 120th epi...nd this week its the maha epi too 😊

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