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about asr. this morning, after what i saw last night, i felt why create a character like asr if all we want to do is change him. i felt sad.

oh there are many things about him we hated, we got really irritated by, and we always knew when he was wrong. we also knew inside him was pure and utter beauty, an ocean of love. arnav the ocean, his khushi, his pearl, his shore. his brusque, matter of fact, ruthless, "badtameez" in his own word, exterior was a perfect mask for his tender, giving, generous, principled heart. circumstances had made him what he was, he was a fighter who had learned to survive. who had stood firm from the age of 14, sheltered his sister, his family.

when khushi's ingenious, innocent, fey yet strong, lovely and loving soul touched him and he felt the flow of love within, it was beautiful. then came the dark days of misunderstanding and he did something that he has called the biggest mistake of his life. it was. he forced her to do something without even asking her once what the truth was.

love grew on both sides despite that, neither could help feeling things for the other. till all misunderstandings of that night were allowed to go and make space for love. he apologised at a point and she stopped him saying it was alright, she knew how much he loved her, almost acknowledging that when such deep emotions are involved people sometimes make bad mistakes.

straight forward, essentially honest, and smart enough to know what matters, we saw asr evolve, reach out, understand the place of the one loved in one's own life and change or shall i say release inherent empathy to make his khushi happy. he even let his past, a central motif of his consciousness and character growth, not get in the way of a present and a future with khushi. sensitized and nurtured by her love, he finally heard what his mother had said about roses and thorns that day.

every change in him was lovely, and came from his own awakening. it added layers to an already riveting man called asr. and as in normal people, some of his own quirks and ways remained as they were. his beloved told him, she wasn't trying to change him, she never would. when he made so many adjustments and remarried his own wife again with all rituals for her happiness, she recognised his commitment and love and respected his way, telling her own family not to insist on making him do things he didn't believe in.

interestingly, i have never heard asr ask khushi to change anything about herself. not her clothes, not her ways, nothing. just once during her catering days after she'd stormed his office, he'd asked a bit hurt: didn't you think of my image even once. and after that, he told her: kuch dhang ka karo. that's all. not once did he say: you don't need to work, you're a rich man's wife, wear better clothes, recast yourself for me. i loved him for that.

live and let live. as long as the essentials are in place, let each partner be and breathe and have the right to be who they are.

is there any reason to make asr believe in birthday celebration the way i or you do? all he wants is his magic girl's wishes and her love, she lights up his day. can't she feel that? does she have to change him, play games and hurt him so much on his birthday? she really doesn't get it that in the game of making asr who you want him to be he is getting hurt ? pity. the khushi i know would have sensed that.

i remember him on her birthday. how hard he tried, how much she spurned him, yet he didn't give up. i cried for him when his rose was not accepted. often i remember him standing on the stairs watching a girl jump with glee holding two silver coins in her hands.

i hear him say "i don't need anything else." i see him cover her head with his hand so she doesn't get hurt even at a point when he thinks he hates her, i see him walking in with gol gappa because she likes it and she's stressed though he believes she is having an affair with shyam, i hear her ask him "why does it feel this way? why does my breath quicken when i am near you?" his answer will be with me forever.

i have grown to love this character called asr as he is, with his flaws. i also believe the things that need to change he will, now that love has enveloped his heart him and he is stronger. but i don't really need him to change the way he feels about his birthday. not right now. maybe that will also come in time. i wouldn't manipulate him for that. or anything else.

if everything about him must be changed then will he remain asr?

he is not just about barun sobti's devastating good looks and style. there is an asr and we all know him. otherwise we wouldn't be here.

again a torrent of thoughts. please share yours. i know we get very personal and emotional while talking about our characters. natural. i love khushi equally and have wondered about the manipulation of her character in my other thread. she is utterly beautiful and deserves as much respect as asr. i look forward to a polite, happy, and heartfelt chat on this. thanks so much.

thread on khushi's feelings, updated on page 27
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3239026

thanks everyone, i am thrilled to see the level of discussion and interaction. sorry, have to go away for a bit, but will keep checking in. want to answer and chat with all please. only one request: do keep the discussions clean. avoid the usual unplasant things. love the show, here to ponder things not throw brickbats. see you soon.

i trust all of you to not let it get to "khushi's awful," "asr's terrible," "cv's don't know what they're doing," and you know just venting and abusing, we're all too smart, clever, gorgeous for that. 😆



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Posted: 12 years ago
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"Be the change that you wish to see in the world."
Mahtma Gandhi


Di, sorry coming in late after reserving on pg 1. A big 🤗for making this post . I love the show, and yes if have problems with the track have the remote 😉 It's not about bashing the show or any one character ...Like many other's I have spent my personal time watching , talking , writing about a virtual show like it is real. Many a time have had difficultly distinguishing between real and reel life.

I want to see a mature Khushi who once who once understood Mr Raizada . Don't want the CV's to tamper with Khushi's character and make her look foolish which she is not looking at the past record. I personally didn't like the temple scene where Arnav was made to go to the temple in the pretence of rasam and now Khushi is trying to change him again. When the man has said on their date he loves her the way she then why is Khushi not accepting Arnav with his flaws( Mind you he has changed and done everything to make her happy ) What bothered me was Khushi's dialogue shaadi ke baad unmeh khuch toh badlav aaya hoga . I don't like the fact the CV's are using the main leads character to their track demand and in the bargain we ahve lost a beautiful spirited KKG 😭
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: indi52


interestingly, i have never heard asr ask khushi to change anything about herself. not her clothes, not her ways, nothing. just once during her catering days after she'd stormed his office, he'd asked a bit hurt: didn't you think of my image even once. and after that, he told her: kuch dhang ka karo. that's all. not once did he say: you don't need to work, you're a rich man's wife, wear better clothes, recast yourself for me. i loved him for that.

live and let live. as long as the essentials are in place, let each partner be and breathe and have the right to be who they are.

is there any reason to make asr believe in birthday celebration the way i or you do? all he wants is his magic girl's wishes and her love, she lights up his day. can't she feel that? does she have to change him, play games and hurt him so much on his birthday? she really doesn't get it that in the game of making asr who you want him to be he is getting hurt ? pity. the khushi i know would have sensed that.

i remember him on her birthday. how hard he tried, how much she spurned him, yet he didn't give up. i cried for him when his rose was not accepted. often i remember him standing on the stairs watching a girl jump with glee holding two silver coins in her hands.


if everything about him must be changed then will he remain asr?





Indi Dii

Not many will agree with you. Khushi has a noble intention behin all this is what many will reply to you, but I, as always dont want to buy this... Every person is different from the rest, and we need to respect and aceept our loved ones the way they are... I love celebrating my birthday but my ASR doesnt, but till date I have never even questioned it... Its his way of leading his life and I should respect that. But with ASR-Khushi its not so. Khushi has always wanted Arnav to change.. be it dancing, applying mehndi or proposing to her in front of the entire family... And yesterday too I felt really bad for ASR... Doesnt that man have any right to lead his life the way he wants? Was that the only way for her to make him realize the importance of 'WISHES'? Is it a crime to have an opinion that birthdays need not be CELEBRATED? Couldnt she just wish him and make his day special by spending some time with him?
I have 100 more such questions, but alas Khushi will never even bother think about any of these !!!
The measurement scene in their room left a bad taste in my mouth... thats not the kind of KAAMEDY I appreciate.
As I said on crooner, the raw passion, romance and the 'sensitive' touch is royally missing in IPK.

Finally as I always say, just because you are good, you have a noble heart and you do everything with a good intention, your actions need not be RIGHT ALWAYS.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: subha_rath2004

Beautiful post!!!!!!!!!!!!!


thank you, subha_rath. means a lot that you read and felt.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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😊 Indi di..🤗

As always you rock with every post of yours👏 Now let me add my two cents. Yes I have enjoyed his journey of changing in love but then there are some things which makes ASR what this character is- unique and different from rest.He accepted his "sanka devi" the way she is..😊 and he accepted her more than me as audience would.. his beliefs in God is somewhere we differed di...but I respect his views..just felt that man will be lonely if he will feel there is noone to listen when one is crying and helpless..but he showed me his faith in those plants in his garden of eden..in his belief that his mother is around him through those plants..I got relieved that yes this man is not alone... his beliefs in marriage were respectable to me... he didnt require social stamp to say that khushi is his wife..he acknowledge it from the day when he wore that MS and sindoor on her in temple.he followed those rituals for her... I respected his intentions here..he didnt change his belief di,but he just gave in to wish of his wife..he just made sure that his wife gets her dream wedding as per rituals she desired... Now coming to bday part... I believe that is personal choice of individual..I respect his belief here..thus seeing him just wanting a wish from his wife bothered me too...I am not complaining about khushi...I am just complainin on screenplay here... where ASR is viewed with those attributes as being flawed...if those are flaws then I see those flaws around in people who are close to me..and I accepted them with those flaws.. Nice post di..😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Wow..I loved how you described ASR..Love it..wonderfully put together..
I agree with you but I guess most of the girls are like that, weather they say it or not,knowingly or unknowingly, intentionally or unintentionally, women always try to change their men..Khushi is doing the same.
But I LOVE how ASR has NEVER asked Khushi to change for him, a true gentleman ☺️
but many fails to understand this man with golden heart

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: indi52


thank you, subha_rath. means a lot that you read and felt.



yes the way u have analysed ASr's character is very nice ...its the way I also do think!!!!!!!!

I never wanted him to change actually...when he was ASR, he used to love Khushi...n now also he loves khushi...


but its ASr who felt the spark between him and khushi...not Arnav...but ok changes are bound to happen...but not to this extent...

so its avery neatly written beautiful post!!!!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Vry sensiblyy written...agreed most of the part...!!

See i m one of the person who dont celebrate my b'day,its nt like i dont want or i dont love my b'day to be celebrated bt its just i kn the reason nd i hv compelled with it...!!
Bt if someone celebrate my b'day i will get happy n excited
i think sameway arnav too,thr always be a little boy in him who wants attention celebration...bt he never did tht neithr the family did...!!..we kn why he is like tht...evrytime anjili mentions Arnav was a naughty kid...!!
Today i was happy to see him wanting evryone to wish him coz thy mentioned he doesnt evn like someone to wish him.
Just my POV...yesterday i was watching myself in arnav...:)
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: ranjitha



Indi Dii

Not many will agree with you. Khushi has a noble intention behin all this is what many will reply to you, but I, as always dont want to buy this... Every person is different from the rest, and we need to respect and aceept our loved ones the way they are... I love celebrating my birthday but my ASR doesnt, but till date I have never even questioned it... Its his way of leading his life and I should respect that. But with ASR-Khushi its not so. Khushi has always wanted Arnav to change.. be it dancing, applying mehndi or proposing to her in front of the entire family... And yesterday too I felt really bad for ASR... Doesnt that man have any right to lead his life the way he wants? Was that the only way for her to make him realize the importance of 'WISHES'? Is it a crime to have an opinion that birthdays need not be CELEBRATED? Couldnt she just wish him and make his day special by spending some time with him?
I have 100 more such questions, but alas Khushi will never even bother think about any of these !!!
The measurement scene in their room left a bad taste in my mouth... thats not the kind of KAAMEDY I appreciate.
As I said on crooner, the raw passion, romance and the 'sensitive' touch is royally missing in IPK.

Finally as I always say, just because you are good, you have a noble heart and you do everything with a good intention, your actions need not be RIGHT ALWAYS.


thanks, ranjitha

especially reading that in red made my day. takes a while to get it, but no human being wants someone else to change them. my asr has told me to let him be often, just as i have him. we are so very different, what keeps us together is that feeling of can't live without you. now i've come to enjoy our different ways.

i feel though khushi has the base and strength to really understand asr and let him be, to understand, love is not about making someone be the way you want them to be. she has told him she won't try to change him the night he spoke of his mother finally. it was at her "i don't mean to change you," that he just let go finally.

she has noticed how hard he has tried to do everything she wants. maybe this track will take her to those two thoughts finally and she will admit, she loves asr as he is. her dear sweet khadooos madly sexy laad governor?

as to all the passion and romance that has mysteriously gone on holiday, my rant in the other thread. 😆

thanks so much. always good to see you.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Absolutely !!!!!!!!! I love ASR for the grey and human shades he has...I colud also relate to the contract marriage..as life is like that and so are people...HIDES BEHIND MY DESK..scared of the brickbats...

I only talk about ASR becoz I have a real life 1..whose parents died on his bday and he does not like to celebrate it too..
But as a wife and family we make it cozy and special sometimes just 2 of us...and he loves it and to make is change by denying him to be wished along with stupid family of his😕


So ya i hate this changed ASR ..I mean look at the movie fiasco...he looked stupid and the office fiasco tooo ..I love the agressive and strong ASR... I mean where is his personality and I feel that is where the charm of IPK has gone as he is not even strong enough to spend or go for a movie alone with his wife...
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