IPK and Feminism Query#2 Page 36 - Page 8

Originally posted by: tiya229

could be totally irrelevant, but what of guilty pleasure? even when the show was going good, many of us-- smart, educated, intelligent women/men, knew the show was based on a fallacy, an illusion of a desi Mills and Boon. Yet we continued to stick with it, watching it dickoding it and what not!

So, i'd say guilty pleasure; secretive or open also plays a big role. We watch it, talk about it, SP takes note of it and shows it!

Does nayi soch come anywhere?

Originally posted by: serialjunkie

good one. Guilty pleasure had a generation of mommies lapping 50 shades of grey on to NYT bestseller 10 weeks in a row. So yes, there is something to be said of that. But guilty indulgences should give us pleasure no? Watching Lavanya's decimation was not pleasurable, guilty maybe. I remember 4Lions had debated on making La a typical vamp and I was one of those who cried foul. Its so easy to paint a character into a corner yet much harder to deliver a nuanced narrative.

Another question, is the average viewer in India capable of nuances that come with the depiction of women and modernity? The culture is currently under a threat of influences be it western or egalitarian. The fanatics would bat to push back on those influences (eg. banning valentines day card or celebrations). Many are fence sitters, unsure of which side they want to be on. Female freedom appeals to them as long their freedoms are guaranteed but their daughters-in-law's freedom is subject to their commands. Women want to dress in jeans, shorts but dont know how or dont have the confidence or positive body image to do so.

The biggest fallacy is thinking that feminism is about wearing jeans, t-shirts, speaking impeccable english, drinking freely, smoking and moving in high societies with sexual freedom. Those are great if that is what you want to do but without peer pressure or need to fit in.

To me feminism and by extension modernism has a simple definition. The right to make your choices without fear of retribution, and without malice towards others.

Sorry to butt it SJji, Tiya Ji.

But I just agree completely.

Forward way of thinking or feminism is often confused with westernisation. Esp in the sub continent. Tv serials depict this very thing. It's very sad.

Originally posted by: serialjunkie

good one. Guilty pleasure had a generation of mommies lapping 50 shades of grey on to NYT bestseller 10 weeks in a row. So yes, there is something to be said of that. But guilty indulgences should give us pleasure no? Watching Lavanya's decimation was not pleasurable, guilty maybe. I remember 4Lions had debated on making La a typical vamp and I was one of those who cried foul. Its so easy to paint a character into a corner yet much harder to deliver a nuanced narrative.

Another question, is the average viewer in India capable of nuances that come with the depiction of women and modernity? The culture is currently under a threat of influences be it western or egalitarian. The fanatics would bat to push back on those influences (eg. banning valentines day card or celebrations). Many are fence sitters, unsure of which side they want to be on. Female freedom appeals to them as long their freedoms are guaranteed but their daughters-in-law's freedom is subject to their commands. Women want to dress in jeans, shorts but dont know how or dont have the confidence or positive body image to do so.

The biggest fallacy is thinking that feminism is about wearing jeans, t-shirts, speaking impeccable english, drinking freely, smoking and moving in high societies with sexual freedom. Those are great if that is what you want to do but without peer pressure or need to fit in.

To me feminism and by extension modernism has a simple definition. The right to make your choices without fear of retribution, and without malice towards others.

THe average viewer in India is not so average..for a country so vast and so different it is so difficult to fine that...it is our projected view of what that means ...our way of homogenising a very vastly different audince...and our somwhat patronising take on things...

Originally posted by: CravingKhana

THe average viewer in India is not so average..for a country so vast and so different it is so difficult to fine that...it is our projected view of what that means ...our way of homogenising a very vastly different audince...and our somwhat patronising take on things...

Fighting modernity and change is a part of all societies...yet in colonised nations the movements of nationalism...has mad that mainstream...and a counter battle...there from are born heroines like Khushi and vixens like Lavanya...

I love your falcy on feminism...yes the idea of femenism is so commonly taken as the right to work the right be "modern" in attire...sexuality...

where as we often miss out on the right to make a choice and live by that rathere than the new norm...

be it a western white womans freedom that marks what a feminist should be or a woman with means to power in the "3rd world"...the often very modern thinking of the woman in the back waters are forgotten or trampled on...for she is often the picture that is sari clad bindhi wearing...husband listening...mothering ...woman who if you stop to listne fights much larger and more evil battles everyday...(than our fiction can ever dream of)

Originally posted by: serialjunkie

good one. Guilty pleasure had a generation of mommies lapping 50 shades of grey on to NYT bestseller 10 weeks in a row. So yes, there is something to be said of that. But guilty indulgences should give us pleasure no? Watching Lavanya's decimation was not pleasurable, guilty maybe. I remember 4Lions had debated on making La a typical vamp and I was one of those who cried foul. Its so easy to paint a character into a corner yet much harder to deliver a nuanced narrative.

Another question, is the average viewer in India capable of nuances that come with the depiction of women and modernity? The culture is currently under a threat of influences be it western or egalitarian. The fanatics would bat to push back on those influences (eg. banning valentines day card or celebrations). Many are fence sitters, unsure of which side they want to be on. Female freedom appeals to them as long their freedoms are guaranteed but their daughters-in-law's freedom is subject to their commands. Women want to dress in jeans, shorts but dont know how or dont have the confidence or positive body image to do so.

The biggest fallacy is thinking that feminism is about wearing jeans, t-shirts, speaking impeccable english, drinking freely, smoking and moving in high societies with sexual freedom. Those are great if that is what you want to do but without peer pressure or need to fit in.

To me feminism and by extension modernism has a simple definition. The right to make your choices without fear of retribution, and without malice towards others.

I had always liked Lavanya. My father thinks she was the only sensible character on the show.
In his words...she was modern mature and maybe a woman of the world too, but still she had innocence...

I mean other than calling Khushi Chamkili and her grievance over Khushi's "behanji" nature , to having a different opinion about relationship which wasnt gratifying in the eyes of SP nuns , she wasnt vindictive.
As far as i remember she never played Khushi or manipulated her in any sense.
Her dislike was in open.
Same as her like when they became friends.

No ones selfless in this world.
She may had her goals and gains.
But then there must have been an individual personality coz Arnav was in a relationship with her for SOME reason.

She had a opinion about marriage.Khushi's job was to change it.
It was a job well done.No offence to Khushi.
So Khushi had explained a live-in will never bind Arnav to her and he may leave her with no conscience in future and she wouldnt be able to hold him as she has no rights.
Still a marriage is no guaranty of future.Rights are manipulated there.
And honestly Arnav was the factor of a shady future.He will leave.He goes astray.
So how can Lavanya's opinions or ideals be wrong?She had put trust and faith as a major factor.Not stamp papers and rituals.

Not having babies coz that may damage her figure.
Some say no to children coz they dont want that labor pain.
Some think they aint cut out to be mothers.
Some blame their bad childhood.
But coz "figure problems" sound more vain than other opinions , complexes to majority thus it becomes an outcast.

Lavanya's innocent and honest nature was shadowed because she didnt dressed like innocent and honest people.
We were born innocent and naked so how can clothes define a person's nature or level of togetherness or deceptiveness?

I personally dont believe in sex before marriage for women AND men.
I have friends , close friends , family who are unmarried , had physical relationships and are good people.
If they come and sit by me i dont shift away.
I dont pick up my nieces and nephews or shu them away when these people are around.

Its like im me they are they.
Like La was La and Khushi is Khushi.
Im a throw back to victorians(SEP) but that doesnt mean im a superior or a better person than those people whom i love and who love me more.
I feel like a rebel amongst them and it makes me proud of myself.
They feel themselves as rebels as they have broken the stereotypes of society and given a new world where theres place for all so they feel proud of themselves.
You cant make a person like you just because you are like that.

I believe even Arnav was not highly excited in the tuitions.
Nani wanted a bahu like she is.It wasnt about Khushi.

Also the whole process did bring Arnav Khushi closer and theres a lot of heart and sweat in was it right or wrong...but it was enjoyable as a fiction.

But scene in those days that made me cringe was when La called Arnav baby and Nani went peeving.
Khushi explained its not a nice thing to express such endearments infront of elders.

I second that but only because im shy and wouldnt ever be caught saying this to my husband if i ever have one infront of a Nani or Dadi or even parents.

But when Snakeji used peck pick and neck Thali lady Nani only blessed , uh-ed and ah-ed.
Chalo they were married.

Your grandsons were taking interest in women.
Arnav's eying Khushi was quite openly orgasmic.
Khushi kissed Arnav infront of her.
Nani smiled.

So opinions equal to the length of clothes?

It can be the cultural block or a social stigma but certainly the dislike that Lavanya was showered with , with the whole idea of turning her into Nani part something was quite not soch nayi.

hey SJ ji...marketing in full force... it is that market that i too am refering to ...too often the moguls of the company's think they know what that mkt thinks needs and wants...and are often off the mark...

Originally posted by: CravingKhana

hey SJ ji...marketing in full force... it is that market that i too am refering to ...too often the moguls of the company's think they know what that mkt thinks needs and wants...and are often off the mark...

they still sell to a mkt that buys into thier thought process and perpetuate the same ...and they dont all belong to the society that we think they do...it is frankly those of us who tout ourselves to be...the forum is a big example of it...if you read the many article the thoughts ...the idealistic thinking...the wanting of a charactor to be something yet not accepting of real ppl doing the same...and the very young here...who pick on others for thier "inscrouplous behaviour"...

Since getting to know that SP is owned by Murdoch...the science of the whole thing is now such an enigma to me...

Not gonna lie, I am secretly stalking this conversation and loving it 😆 I think we've come to a conclusion that SP doesnt have the balls to show people like Lavanya being good because TRP aunties will go on SP strike cause girls like Lavanya cant make achaar like the rest of the bahus. Even if a show wants to show it, no channel will show it. The closest thing I can remember, would be the female leads from Star One shows, they were pretty modern in views, and wanted much more in life than SP bahus do. Riddhima from DMG wanted to become a successful doctor, and these were the shows I loved to watch (until they became shitty like every other damn hindi soap) because they appealed to me after constantly watching my mom and grandma watch SP shows ever since I was little. IPK, the story never appealed to me. Hottie and the Rabba Veys did very much though, LOL call me a shallow viewer but its the truth 😆 But I guess though we know our views our correct, they wont sell in India. Once the mindset has changed in the country then we can expect to see some change in the media. LOL this was so random but needed a 5 minute break from work...

Bookmarked to read.

Finally a decent post to enjoy.