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Posted: 13 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: lexaxel

India is a democratic country and freedom is my birthright but if I misuse my rights my country, which has rules to maintain order and decorum to maintain peace within its space, has full rights to take action against me.
Similarly a forum has certain rules which we must adhere to.

Freedom of expression is good but there are limits we have to adhere to.
Criticizing the actions of a character in a story may be allowed but mercilessly trashing a REAL person is NOT.

Again arguing your point against anothers is ok but making fun of others opinions[whatever the opinion] is NOT done.

To be honest I didn't find anything wrong in the mods message...infact I have a grouse that if the mods had woken up earlier they could have done some more damage control. The way members were making fun of another's post simply because of a difference in opinion was very upsetting. And the whole thing was triggered off by difference of opinion on the way each of us viewed Daljeet/Anjali's actions. The way I saw it they had no other go but close posts.

Quoting the mod's message below...

"... There have been a lot of bashing going on lately esp on Daljeet/ Anjali. Not just on the forum but on her I-F fanclub as well. Whatever negotiation the actress had with PH, this does not give us the right to abuse or curse her. Also,members have been attacking, mocking and insulting one another for having difference in opinion. Some topics starts off as a good discussion and ends up into a war zone, others directly/indirectly targets a member/actor, while the rest are abusive to begin with.

Things have gone a bit extreme already for which we are forced to implement the following..." unquote

@TM...I hope we can have a reasonable discussion incase you decide to follow thru...and thanks for giving me this space to put forward my point of view😊.


It is 3 AM in california and I was about to go to bed. But one last response before I hit the sack!

Here is the story again like I said it numerous times in the thread -- by the way, you will find a lot of elaborate discussion on my points through the thread.

The fundamental thing is -- no one has the right to judge what is "bashing" and what is NOT. The definition itself does not fit the stuff that is implemented. We should not need some "head masters" to curb our speech and our writeups.

Accepting this actually makes us SLAVES not free people. Free people have the right to express and be told that they were too harsh or that someone agrees with them.

For the rest, like I said, I have gone through a whole slew of explanations. Also, my friends have some very cool visual illustrations on "people who want to curb freedom of speech". Please go through them!

Cheers and that is it for me for tonight -- please feel free to talk away!!! I see some people actually feeling bad that it is someone's thread yada yada -- none of those problems with me -- go to town on whatever you want to write.

Cheers.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: Maverick29



Awesome points as always! I said exactly what you were saying "I will never watch a show with Daljeet again -- the very sight of her makes me angry". Now I am well within my rights to say this.

But those comments were deleted from the Fan Page!

Yep on Insulting Khushi -- why cant we bash people who are bashing humanity right in front of our eyes? How else can we tell them that the hell that Khushi is going through is NOT ACCEPTABLE!

Yes we are in the forum because we want to see if there are like-minded people -- what is wrong with that?

Finally, making us LIKE someone is like telling us to "think like them to fit in" -- I dont come here to FIT IN! I come here to discuss stuff with friends -- lively discussions for fun. I should be able to say whatever comes to my mind without having to worry about things like "warning" which will embarrass me and get me angry when I have no intent of hurting anyone! On the contrary I believe I am doing social service by raising my voice againstatrocitiesas shown as being committed on women!

I am with you.

Cheers.



U r absolutely right, we r all adults here and we r not kids so as to somebody has to regulate us on what to do and what not to do I can't force my 5 years old to have a certain opinion abt a character bcz I like that character... Nowadays I find Khushi's character extremely infuriating purely bcz of the fact that she is gonna bring Shyam back in to the house... I mean I simply fail to understand that words like honour and dignity doesn't exist in Khushi's book... For me there is a vast difference between selflessness and shamelessness and after bringing Shyam back Khushi will fall into the second category for me at least but u r free to have a different opinion... I am not bashing Khushi here but I am merely stating a fact that if a girl can't have a sense of dignity and pride in herself then sorry for me she is not a respectable person.

I have stopped watching the show but icons on this forum to talk to u guys, to have a healthy debate on different aspects of a character but I don't somebody to tell me that what to say or what not to say... I think at 37 years of age I know how to behave myself and how to converse "decently" on a public forum.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#53
actually it is human psychology
the moment yousay 'don't do this' we want to do it all the more
so actually all the restrictions are not working because it is making us wantt to break rules
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Posted: 13 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: rima

actually it is human psychology

the moment yousay 'don't do this' we want to do it all the more
so actually all the restrictions are not working because it is making us wantt to break rules


Ha ha ha You hit the nail Rima.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#55
I think the ban on criticising not just Daljeet but even Anjali as a fictional character in the show is taking it too far. The character Anjali in the show is negative, whether the Cv's wanted it to turn out that way or not, it is. I personally have never found it difficult to demarcate between the actor and the character. Neither have I had a problem with Daljeet for wanting a meatier role because come on she's human and is bound to put her needs above that of others.

But what I cannot stand is the character Anjali and its not even because of Daljeet's acting cause I think even that's passable...but its because I cannot tolerate weak, hypocritical women who lie to their loving family members.

Why is my freedom of criticising a fictional character being taken away from me and how will I know as to when I have crossed the line??? Does this mean that the next time that even Shyam does something abominable we cannot even criticise the character???????? Or does this rule just apply to select actors and characters????????

What is this yardstick by which the MODS are measuring contravention of the rules????? It seems very subjective and unfair. This isn't China for gods sake.😡




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Posted: 13 years ago
#56
this forum has become more pissing than daljeet/anjali!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Bad enough the cvs insulting our intelligence and loyalty with an illogical and inconsistent story, now we have the mods insulting our right to protest again the above outrage!! This is the limits

Thank you Maverick for asking the question that I has been wanting to, just couldn't rouse up the energy to do so.

Since you have done us this favour, it is only right that I support your question by demanding our right criticize both the character and the actor, no let me say it, both Anjali and Daljeet whose unreasonable demand for more screen space has been responsible for the current state of the story.

As loyal viewers who have given so much of our emotional energies to this show, we have the right to criticise both Anjali and Daljeet. I don't understand why or how the mods can stop us from doing so. they have no right to stop people from expressing their views. I, for one, have replied to every post that has critcised Anjali and Daljeet as I am furious with the rubbish we're being forced to watch as a result of her actions both onscreen and off screen.


Actually, I also lay the blame equally on the cvs for not having the vision to have a story that would give all the characters in the show a more meaningful role in the story.

However egotistical and self centred Daljeet's demand for more screen space has been, she is not the only one responsible for what they are showing, unless of course she has insisted they they show her as a frail, delicate creature deserving of everyone's, esp. her Chote/Barun's personal and physical attentions. In which case she deserves the online rotten tomatoes and brickbats being thrown at her.

Why could they not have shown Anjali to be a much stronger person or shown how she comes to realize that her husband is a cheat and how she deals with this discovery.

This is the cvs not having any respect for the audience intelligence and loyalty. I am getting tired of the illogical, imcosistent storylines and plots that seem to be the staple fare of Indian TV.

I'm amazed at how people seem to lap up all these illogical things- is it only us on this forum who are mad at being forced to watch the illogicality of this current track- no one has asked Anjali how she fell; no one has mentioned the cuts on her feet?

I was watching an interview with a famous TV actor in the UK, who acts as a detective in a show set in the 60s and he was talking about how the designer had created this authentic 60s look to the show down to a minor detail like the detective's cigarette case which has an engraving of his dead wife's name. Now as the actor explained no one will ever see the case close up, but the designer insisted that the character should have it as it was a part of who the charcter was.

Now from that to have to watch a show where no one, not even the doctor asks Anjali how she fell or how she cut her feet?😕😡
Edited by Japonica - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#58
Mods are not doing right. We come to the forum to discuss about the show and now that the show is going downhill we can't discuss the reason behind it. We all know it's because of Anjali and not only here in FB ,Twitter also people are talking against her track. Then why we are banned from doing the same?
Freedom of speech is something the mods haven't heard of I guess.
I understand that the forum has some rules but as long as we don't use ABUSIVE words against an actress or character it should not be banned. It's INJUSTICE and VERY WRONG. We see several topics regarding Shyam, we call him so many names but those topics are never closed. I want to know what going on here? Mods have to answer us. It's a free country and we have to right to talk about anything as long as we don't use SLANGS . That should not happen here since there are many underage members her and because it's not appropriate. Other than that there should not be any problems.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Firstly, absolutely LOVE your post Maverick!! 😃
secondly. when Daljeet or any actor for that matter chose to come into this field and this profession, they accepted the qualms which came with it. They accepted the fact that they can't always be praised and if they didn't then it's their problem. They fell into a death trap and that's it. Even an 8-year old would know that.
And it's not like people in this field only are criticised and scrutinised. People working in each and every field present in this world are criticised in some or the other way atleast once. And that's a universal truth. Isn't a tailor criticised for not sewing something properly or driver criticised for not driving properly? So why is the same thing wrong for an actor when he/she doesn't do something properly? An actor's job is to act and if he/she is not doing that properly then we're bound to hear criticisms. It's a fact. And if fans or the actors themselves can't handle it then it's their problem.
Just like we can't expect everything to go the way we want in life, we can't expect other people to have the same views as us. Why else would we have the saying 'To each his own'?
Why else do we have forums for discussions? Discussions can be negative or positive. If it's always positive then what will be left for discussing? If everyone agrees to everything the other person says then obviously the person will get tired of the same response, though they might have loved the appreciation at first. The forum is kept alive because of the debates which take plave here and if the source of oxygen is only cut out then what will be left of it?
Not everyone can express their opinions in a way which'll make others feel awesome. Not everyone can be great with words. Does that mean that they can never express their views and opinions? How is that freedom? How does that make the forum a public one?
If one person disagrees with the other person's views then he/she has the equal right to voice it out just like the first person got the chance to do the same. Then they'll be considered otherwise it'll be the same case of discrimination all over again.
And if all the threads are closed down just because of one comment like 'OMG! Today the actress' bindi wasn't placed properly!', then what do you expect? It is stupid, isn't it? And closing threads for such reasons is more like giving a chocolate to a kid just to make the kid ctop cribbing instead of trying to make them handle the situation themselves and trying to make them more independent. (that example was the most random thing which came to my mind btw but yes, I have seen such things happen and hence voicing it out)
And lastly, this forum is meant for discussing about the show and the characters so we have all the freedom to. If the characters are called by some names, they're still fictional characters you know and one can take it as a nick name too. Don't we call our close ones by names like 'chotu' or 'golu'. Isn't that offensive but still people do call them by such names, don't they? If they don't have a problem with it though it's something wrong and shouldn't be happening then what's wrong if the same takes place with fictional characters who anyways aren't even going to feel anything by us calling them something. You can also take it as us lovingly calling them that. It all depends on how we take it . If we take it as wrong and refuse to accept it then obviously there's going to be a problem but if we think that not everyone can think like us and accept it as it comes then there won't be any problem at all. Actually that's the main problem in this forum right now, in my opinion.
This is plainly my opinion.
Thanks for the post Maverick! 😊
PS: I'm sorry if there are any typing mistakes. Didn't re-read what I wrote. 😊
Edited by ASR4eva - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I may not agree totally but yeah some bits make sense.
Edited by Reema - 13 years ago

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