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Posted: 13 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: .Mandy.


And Mandy, face it Nadz there is competition for Nandu's love 😳 😆


Et tu Mandy!?😲

That makes the three of us then. Bring it on.😳😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: spirit

I didn't realise how long my post was, until I posted it, it's a long story!!


Read at your own risk. This is embarrassingly long...and I suspect does not really make much sense...

ps. @NadzGirl, not so fast girl, 😈The road to NaanduBaandu is not as clear as you may think😍Here comes spirit.



Wow...spirit! Just read it!!! It is AWESOME!!! Will come back and reply ... 👏

NK Boy is getting really popular I can see...Let the winner bring some relief to us from the sobbing sisters...Let's have at least one FUN couple on the show!... 😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hi Sush,
I have been a silent participant so far, but did want to write to you. I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts and look forward to them. Your thoughts and views are very mature, balanced and make a lot of sense. Everything you say is so bang on. Thank you for sharing with us.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: veeps

Hiyas Sush... the best part of this badi moti may be almost shaadi is the stories we are getting from everyone about their own weddings and yes, we might be here in the west and all that but in the end the traditions and the rituals do mean something to us and hold a place in our hearts...And most of it , honestly, is just about all the people you love ( and a heck of alot of them that you don' know at all) all being happy for you and celebrating for you and with you...

The people aspect makes up for a lot of my wedding memories...
A very nice write up...😛

Hi Veeps! Good to see you here😊!
Weddings...and rituals are related so much to the emotional aspect of ones being that many times logical explanations fail to rationalize them completely...but we are irrationally predictable human beings...aren't we?
Edited by -Sush- - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: spirit

I'm glad two people brought back two things to everyone's attention.

Manorama, for all the inconsistencies in her character, does say some of the most sensible things at times. These two have been living as a man and wife with the family for six months crying out loud! Let's not make this a bigger joke than it already is. My views being a second wedding, assuming what arnie says is correct about the first being legalized and acceptable in the eyes of the law, is not really needed. But this is a fictional show on starplus, I suspect this big fat wedding is needed to let the leads do the deed😆..if nothing else..lol. Enuff said.😛 And yet another SR drama, it's a trp goldmine😆

And if no one bothered, the bride-to-be comes adorned with a managalsutra and a sindoor , someone show her a mirror already. See not even a hypocrisy personified dadi can tell her to take that one off! Tell me something, what is an incomplete marriage, either it is or it isn't? 🤔

If its legalized, I wish they had made her voice out her desire on the lines of wanting a traditional wedding not this chant of an incomplete one., which makes them both look like dimwits.🤔

Im curious, would she have dared to walk out on him on the grounds of this marriage being incomplete in her eyes, after the warning bells were raised in her head, even if dadi had not been privy to what transpired on the terrace that night? Pity we will never know, how she would gone about rectifying that now.

But trust him to show her a thing or two about what is real...very much beyond the tangible., a reality that not even she can deny but one that binds them already! And one that is key to their marriage. He makes her not only blurt out but realise what hez been saying all along. That she is already his. So my question is, what will these rituals significantly change, esp., in this context? Social acceptance!? Perhaps...and a growth in her, I see her transforming to mrs.asr even before these rituals are complete, it began when she dared to defy the dadi dictate to confess to her husband...and it is an ongoing process. May be this is all worth it for this alone, and our hopes of the female lead growing a backbone will be fulfilled. And it's not all about her but also him, who has to fully understand the ramifications of his wrong actions, and his redemption for the lack of a better word, this is yet another part of that ongoing process. But for them to start afresh, the contract bit has to come out. Yikes, if it means another round of khushi ridicule, I don't know if I can sit through it.

But I'm curious,

Will the completion of all of these wedding rituals change the perception, image and love the members of the Raizada family have for khushi from what they already know and feel for her?

Will these rituals change dadi's views, if at all about khushi? Will it really make any difference? If yes, brilliant,but if not, then what? For at this point, her singular objective seems to be breaking this alliance, in any way she can. What is her motive behind all her actions?

And for the sake of the story, I wish this dadi wasn't shown as one dimensional. Is she really that cold that there is not even one moment of tenderness or introspection anywhere? Even a Shyam was much more real than this lady has been shown to be so far. Not even in her interactions with Nani, do you get a sense of mutual respect from both sides, it's a one way street so far, and that's being gracious from a Nani. Dadi is taking a lot of liberties with her friend, and it threatens to destroy what Nani has painstakingly built up in the past fourteen years that she has been missing, how long before Nani takes a stand? Dadi has a long way to go. So much pride,...is that what messed up everything to begin with?

There is a subtle layering that's being done here, I like the creative team in that one, and how they are playing out that point...and connecting with the past. Do rituals and traditions make a marriage or is there something more? For two marriages at least in this family were probably carried out upholding all traditional rituals and beliefs, but were they successful? where and why did those individuals err? Why did Anjali's first to be wedding fall apart on that fateful day?

Arnie's parents and Anjali/Shyam marriage...what made them fall apart? what was the missing chip that even all the rituals in the world couldn't bind them together happily? What was that missing ingredient? Are multiple families paying a price for dadi's inability to recognize truth and understand the reality behind human emotions, when it mattered, or her son's weakness, maybe?

Forward next to Arnav/Khushi marriage, one that was seemingly at odds with all things traditional, but it has withstood all kinds of tests., what holds it together that not even the seeming absence of rituals cannot tear them apart? In a way, they are more married than most others. But I do understand this need for social acceptance and having to pay for your mistakes, but then again, my grudge being if was legalized, then this chant of incompleteness does not make much sense. I'm going by the assumption, that it is legalized, and the Harvard educated business tycoon took care of that legality to begin with.., especially given what he said a few episodes back, 'my legally wedded wife'. May be this is just creative liberty😳

So what does this remarriage achieve, imo, it will give dadi one less but crucial ammunition to attack khushi with., and let everyone else enjoy that moment that they felt was robbed six months back, when arnav/khushi married in haste.. If nothing else, this should allow everyone to let go of that grudge...and move on. That and some happier memories to replace the doom nd gloom of that night., and yet in weird way nothing can change what happened that night six months back.,and what has transpired in these six months. That will remain in essence their true wedding.

I'm sure no one minds, seeing a happy Arnav khushi being blessed by their respective families, they deserve that much. despite the ticking time bomb that travels with them like a constant companion...in the form of that clouded past.

I thought, arnie barging in like that wasn't at odds with who he is, he does what he does. Can you see an aakash barging in like that and seeking out Payal?

Spirit ...your post is so rich in thoughts...that to do justice to my reply...I need to come back to it again...But let me just leave you with one thought...
The assumption you state...is that IF the marraige is legalized...
and even though I respect Arnie Bituwas desire and his willingness for the committment...the answer to this question is not an unequivocal yes...
I am not familiar with Indian Marraige Act...the ;law that defines what is legal or not...
But I can say that there are reasonable doubts that exchanging garlands in a temple on their own, manglasutra and putting sindoor without any witnesses, or signed contract (without expired term)...amount to a "legal" wedding...And yes, for our Harvard graduate...it was nothing more than a temporary contract when he did it with no intention of regarding or making it a permanent...What has changed along the way is his intention...but not the original terms or the legality of the original status...
Will come back to comment on other points that if so articulately made...IF it was a legal marriage...
I also leave any one who is reading it with one other thought...If Shyam had pressurized KKG to (pretend to) marry him for 6 months otherwise he will do some harm to say Payal...should she have done it? I think your point about the female lead needing to be stronger is really very credible!
Edited by -Sush- - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#46
only thing i want to say Sush:

i waited for ARHI marriage for one year.
i want to enjoy it fully..
no matter what blunders CVs make...😆
i loved khushi's look on fir day..however, i did not like that huge golden patta at the bottom..only she can carry such awful dresses gracefully😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: -Sush-

Hi Veeps! Good to see you here😊!
Weddings...and rituals are related so much to the emotional aspect of ones being that many times logical explanations fail to rationalize them completely...but we are irrationally predictable human beings...aren't we?

irrationally predictable...😆 .. nicely put...we can always be depended upon to behave irrationally.. very true...
Haven't been around a lot these days... I am having withdrawal symptoms from the show and most days, one of the other SGs egg me to write something and I do...Mostly I head to the SG thread, pour out my frustration with lots of sarcastic and snarky comments and go back to sleep...I tend to come to your thread if I really have something fun to discuss which these days I am mostly left searching for...
have a good weekend... until the show picks up again (for me at least)...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Nice post there Sush! The great Indian wedding, now if that's not a TRP puller I don't know what is. I think I shared before on the Sushpective that I am a sucker for all things festive; weddings included. I do not necessarily understand the significance of every ritual but most of them are quite fun.

I didn't want to see a remarriage in IPK because to me the relationship of the leads should have transcended that. This is more likely a commercial decision than anything else but now that we are getting it, don't want to fret. Hopefully we'll get to see some cute Arhi scenes and some joy before the inevitable drama (i.e. separation/sadness) sets in. That said, it's nice to have some suspense around the past continue to play alongside the wedding. Keeps the interest level high so you don't feel like you're watching a wedding video. As much as I love being a part of weddings, there is nothing more excruciatingly boring than watching wedding videos😆
I liked the Arhi scene in the Fri epi as it brought back flirty Arnie. As for a bride to be who is already sporting sindoor and mangalsutra, let's see what they show as we progress towards the wedding. I'll not be surprised if the CVs completely ignore this and just show Arnav tying a new mangalsutra.
NK is turning out to be such a welcome addition and he had some fantastic one liners in the fri epi. In the wedding setup there is a lot of potential to use him as the perfect foil for Dadi's stern attitude and bring in the shaadi atmosphere😃
Khushi's hairstyle- what were they thinking?😕 That was beyond horrendous and I'm surprised SI didn't protest. She looked lovely despite that but I hope they do something about this. Perhaps they should look at their script closely- didn't Arnie she looks beautiful khule baalon mein? That's exactly what's needed and then see flirty besotted ASR come back with all his attitude😉
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Sush, just a quick reply as I leave for holiday in two days and am up to my ears ...

ArHi wedding is not legal unless Arnav Khushi signed a contract or got the marriage registered in any other way unseen on screen. A temple wedding without witnesses will not be termed legal in any court of law ... in fact no wedding is legal without witnesses. If the temple wedding had been witnessed by a priest it might have had some standing. Marriage is a social contract and being so, it needs to be witnessed, which is why in all cultures such a big hoohaa is made of the ceremony.

A Hindu wedding never needed registration in earlier times, and even now registration in India is usually done after the event, not at the wedding itself ... and for obtaining a marriage certificate, one needs a witness to swear on oath at the registrar's office that he/she attended the wedding, along with photos of the wedding ceremony. This is from personal experience, when my husband and I needed to get our marriage certificate.

Even a simple registered marriage or a court marriage needs witnesses.
The man and woman saying they got married is not enough.

Yes, they are mentally married, they have accepted each other as husband wife, and that is the most important thing for the two of them ... but not for the world. It's like two people saying, we love each other, we've decided to be together for the rest of our lives, we accept each other as husband and wife, so we consider ourselves married. They're not ... they're living together. Either they need a religious ceremony in front of witnesses, or they need to get the marriage registered ... one or the other. That temple wedding has no legal standing ... since it did not have a single witness.

Also there is no such thing as a contract marriage in legal terms ... you get married for life or you don't. You might sign a separate agreement that you will separate after six months, that's a different issue.
Umm, this is legal opinion here ... not just my own ... although I did know about the witness part. 😃

Edit ... I would have preferred a private wedding in DM's temple with just the two of them and the priest, followed by a quick trip to the registrar's office to make everything all legal and shipshape ... but TRP's and common sense dictate that the wedding of the leads was always going to be a big affair.
Edited by DiyaS - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#50

Originally posted by: nrao77

Hi Sush,
I have been a silent participant so far, but did want to write to you. I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts and look forward to them. Your thoughts and views are very mature, balanced and make a lot of sense. Everything you say is so bang on. Thank you for sharing with us.


Thanks so much for your feedback @nrao. I really appreciate it. Not sure if maturity is much in demand...
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