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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Maverick29

Well I think everyone waited for it for a long time! It came today and several celebrated.


But, I have a simple question -- will this lead to "creation of passion" between the two? Will this lead to the kind of feelings that want the person to get close? My Verdict -- NOPE! It fell way short of the mark.

I just want to do a comparative analysis between 2 apologies:

First -- the one in the gazebo after he yells at her at the death anniversary of his parents. What did they show:

1. He cared about her "tears".
2. He understood that he was WRONG.
3. He expressed his thoughts/feelings to a mirror in order to make sure he apologizes right.
4. He waited for her to come home that day -- but she didnt so he started inquiring about her arrival home.
5. He found out that she was going to a party with Lavanya
6. He went to the party location -- got into an argument with her. But calmed himself down to get himself to understand that he was on a mission.
7. He went to the gazebo -- found her there. He had trouble saying the words but did.
8. The way he said them showed the most important thing -- he meant the apology.

What happened here -- the length this apology lasted kind of made us realize that he felt the "guilt". He wanted to apologize desperately since he knew he was wrong. The important part was the fact that he "realized all those mistakes". And the final act of saying "sorry" was just the final manifestation of that whole thinking.

Now let us see what happened this time:

1. He sees bruises from the slap.
2. That makes him think that she is hurt because of him -- we dont know if that was a trigger or if he has been thinking that he was wrong all along!
3. He goes to the backyard and plays back a few scenes in his head and takes off.
4. Goes to Khushi, flirts with her and then says "sorry for anything I did, with or without realizing that I hurt you"!!!

So, what is missing -- he did not really recount what was totally wrong in each of the incidents. So, if he apologizes for something without really knowing what he apologizing for, how can that count for an apology???? How will it have an impact?? When the whole thing lasts say about 10 mins, how will it be an apology for the crap he did?

Now if you look at the number of times people watched that scene and that episode, you will see the impact the first gazebo apology had. What is the impact here??

Why is it important -- well simple psychology -- Passion, anger, hatred, love ... are all very strong emotions. The intensity of these emotions is determined by how much time you spent to "feel" them. The passion required to create a strong sexual relationship originates in several things including lust and these feelings. The passion one feels for another person are rooted in strong emotions.

If they make this really strong emotional scene this feeble and so damn soft, how can they show the passion between this couple?? where will it come from?

The focus seems to be more on these crappy past things rather than on making sure that these guys recover and get close to each other.

If they had let these two recover the passion and then brought the Dadi into the equation for the "remarriage" they would have achieved all goals. This hap-hazard writing is showing why we are not jumping up and down more!

Cheers.


I agree with you. I was thinking about the same thing this morning. I felt that the writers just mixed up the scenes. Could have been in this order
Post kidnapping ... Anjali crap ... Arnav shouts without actually blaming her directly... She leaves thinking it is the best for Anjali... He comes to gh and she tells him that there is not many days left in the contract anyway... Tries to woo her on birthday... Falls flat... He threatens her that he will reveal the truth to family and brings her home ... Then continue to woo her by remembering the past etc... Arnav has the talk with Anjali ... Anjali smiles at khushi which makes khushi happy... Rakhee... Arnav brings khushi gifts ...pearl necklace accompanied by the apology... Khushi appreciates the efforts of wooing and the apology... Arrival of dadi ... Arnav displays support to wife... Khushi is happy and Arnav wants to take the relationship to the next level on janmashtmi but without announcing it to khushi ... Janmashtmi celebrations and khushi is made to relialize about no pheras and she worriedly comes into the room to see Arnav has some plans... Arnav gives her the gift... She wears it...song ...and then... When she realizes his intentions she stops him... Then the terrace scene...ending with I love u dammit...
I think this makes every step a little more clear... The writers have created a lot of confusion...
Edited by charlotte74 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hello Maverick,

The simple answer to your question is poor direction and the story writing having gone for a toss. The writers have given their brains a long vacation and said bye bye to sensible portrayal of scenes. It is no wonder that once upon a time, when LM was directing IPK, we had only positives to speak about with very less criticism dished out. Now the latter is on the rise thanks to the direction. You cannot feel a sense of belonging completely to that person's pain or remorse. It is incomplete.

When ASR said sorry to her for the first time, the sequence of actions that followed were what made it more beautiful following the actual apology. CV's after marriage have lost it.

Sometimes i do wonder does it have anything to do with the awards? Has it gone into their head? Have they taken the audience for granted? Doesn't the trp's indicate that the quality has gone down several notches lower?

Well Maverick, there is no sequence. The way you have jotted down the way the first apology happened, the audience were shown what his exact feelings were, how he realized them, how he started working on them and ultimately how he delivered that apology.

At this point, Dadi wasn't needed for the re-marriage at all. After the kidnap track ended, in fact after he blamed her being the reason for their unhappiness, the tempo could have been raised where an unyielding Khushi could have paved way for that deep regret Arnav goes through. Arnav should not want or have a reason to apologize. It should have been his realization right from the time the kidnap track ended. And the re-marriage track could have started there onwards where Arnav wins over Khushi and re-marries her again. The cv's should have handled this beautifully.

The writing and direction both aren't up to the mark Maverick. Though i felt happy that he apologized, as usual it lacked the intensity it should have elicited.

Only one thought comes to my mind right now - They have taken us completely for granted.
Edited by chaitra2011 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: monalisa1234

You don't need to pray for the same Harshitha..It's never gonna increase in this lifetime, given this type of treatment towards the lead couple...Cv's hardly bother even if they show is being kicked out by channel.. They have their other ventures which will temporarily help them relish their victory..But amidst all these, We...The poor fans end up being the sole sufferer..


Yes the ardent fans are suffering because of their unending Di bhoot & they think rabbaves will shut us aint working though
they treat Anjali as the lead which is evident & even after the terrible response they received really weird

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: zaniax

The fact tht it came so late into the picture already faded half the impact. Also i felt the scene was too short..dun noe why CV's always rush with arhi scenes while the other non imp stuff gets dragged. So for me it was definitely not up to the mark.


I agree -- it was just too short for what was supposed to be an IMPACT scene.

Unless the morons want to split them with the revelation of the so called "truth" from Dadi and were thinking "if we make the apology so strong, why will this guy decide to leave her?"!!! they have lost it so we dont know what they will do next.

Cheers.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Harshitha


Yes the ardent fans are suffering because of their unending Di bhoot & they think rabbaves will shut us aint working though
they treat Anjali as the lead which is evident & even after the terrible response they received really weird


This is fundamentally the difference between American TV and Indian TV. In India they seem to be over thinking this -- they think showing this Rabba Ve stuff that the audience want and showing some fun stuff is somehow "lesser" than creating some crap so they can say they are "different" -- In the US they would have milked the whole ARSHI craze to the point where the commercial success of this would have made the production house rich and the show would have may be lasted 3-4 years but memorable ones that made viewers happy.

These morons dont seem to thinking "making viewers happy" by watching a fun thing at the end of their stressful work days is their job. Their job is to make themselves content or think of TRPs without any thought of a "strong" product.

I LOVE the new term you coined "Di Bhoot"!!!

Cheers.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Harshitha


Yes the ardent fans are suffering because of their unending Di bhoot & they think rabbaves will shut us aint working though
they treat Anjali as the lead which is evident & even after the terrible response they received really weird

I must say, they r pretty vindictive with their thought process...The rabba ves pre kidnapping and the rabba ves post kidnapping have a HUGE difference.. n I am pretty sure u hv also noticed the same.. anyhow at the end of the day which is reflecting through trp...Whenever there is any Arshi intense or emotional scene, they wrap it up as quickly as possible and switch onto another irrelevant Didi or dadi scene and surprisingly that turns out to be a longer one..Their switching method and abrupt ending of every single Arshi scene is a major turn off for most of the TRP viewers...b4 we even grasp the whole situation, the scene is actually over... hence doesn't leave any impact on viewers... Everyday I try to watch old Arshi scenes, I am telling u Harshitha, the difference is so discrepant, that I really don't feel like watching current episodes anymore...
Edited by monalisa1234 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: monalisa1234

I must say, they r pretty vindictive with their thought process...The rabba ves pre kidnapping and the rabba ves post kidnapping have a HUGE difference.. n I am pretty sure u hv also noticed the same.. anyhow at the end of the day which is reflecting through trp...Whenever there is any Arshi intense or emotional scene, they wrap it up as quickly as possible and switch onto another irrelevant Didi or dadi scene and surprisingly that turns out to be a longer one..Their switching method and abrupt ending of every since Arshi scene is a major turn off for most of the TRP viewers...b4 we even grasp the whole situation, the scene is actually over... hence doesn't leave any impact on viewers... Everyday I try to watch old Arshi scenes, I am telling u Harshitha, the difference is so discrepant, that I really don't feel like watching current episodes anymore...


As i always say SaRun is saving grace but till when, 14th, 15th august was fine but they had to return to their Di Bhoot for them thats normal & satisfaction & for us its abnormal hmmm
yes rabbaves ka concept is changed right now - its thrown to shut the trp audience & concentration on other "support characters" which are such a turn off. I really love the trp audience now - atleast they think like us.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Harshitha


As i always say SaRun is saving grace but till when, 14th, 15th august was fine but they had to return to their Di Bhoot for them thats normal & satisfaction & for us its abnormal hmmm
yes rabbaves ka concept is changed right now - its thrown to shut the trp audience & concentration on other "support characters" which are such a turn off. I really love the trp audience now - atleast they think like us.

Exactly...!! The show should be renamed as "iss siblings ke pyaar ko kya naam doon"...😆 The amount of precious emotion Arnav showers on his precious di who's backstabbing him, I wish atleast 20% of it he could shower thinking about his wife and repenting for his previous deeds...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Can i just say "I Lau U Dammit" for making this post

The second apology should have been the more intense and passionate one than the first,because he had hurt her much much more than the first instance.But for all the waiting we did it was totally bland.

No intensity,No passion,No chemistry,No nothing is where IPK is now.I dont blame the trps anymore,Let them stay stagnant at where they are.Even the acting was lackluster yesterday and i really dont wanna comment anythng on Arshad Khan's direction,bcz that would get me started😡
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: monalisa1234

Exactly...!! The show should be renamed as "iss siblings ke pyaar ko kya naam doon"...😆 The amount of precious emotion Arnav showers on his precious di who's backstabbing him, I wish atleast 20% of it he could shower thinking about his wife and repenting for his previous deeds...


This imbalance in handling emotions is going to cost them alot rather already costing them.
I dont think they understand that Anjali's role needs to be seriously reduced. Lets see how far things go now.

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