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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: arshi21

You know what? In reality, I think even if the CVs would ...just for ONE episode SHOW ASR having the flashbacks of the way he had treated Khushi in the past and that remorseful expression on his face, with OR without tears ...doesn't really matter!


What will matter, will be the mighty Arnav Singh Raizada accepting his faults and WILLING or rather pledging to do RIGHT...for and by his wife.

What he is doing right now...standing up for her and her integrity is definitely awesome...but sometimes just a SIMPLE acknowledgment of your faults and a real yet simple promise to vow to love each other to death and to be with each other in all times, could do...wonders. It can heal wounds, not even known to the person who had been hurt!

We don't want a redemption because we derive some sadistic pleasure from watching ASR in pain..or not even because Khushi deserves all that (She definitely does) but now, its not only limited to justice for Khushi...now, its about THEIR future TOGETHER...with NO shadows from the past...

And for that, its always best to fight the demons from the past, even if they no longer exist, they just must be faced once, to get hold of the reality and the great opportunity and capability and belief and hope and strong faith...that lies in ones future.

I think you are missing the point, its not about some kind of poetic justice.

The thing is guilt more than anything else. Even an idiot can tell that Khushi is no where to be blamed for the contract marriage mess. Arnav may accept his faults but without remorse what is the guarantee he will not repeat it??? Remorse symbolizes change which is highly invisible

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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: Didikisaut

Even Arnav could have saved her had he listened completely or would have confronted Khushi.

Arnav didn't even know that Khushi wanted to be saved... and basically my point is both are at fault here ...
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Posted: 13 years ago
Miss Gul

Why did u create ruthless asr if he was not meant to repent.?

why created the hate marriage if no plan of apology later ?
and despite knowing that TRP before hate marriage was 4.6 and people loving the initial romances of ARSHI.

Why showed a fiesty Khushi if she was made to forgive her perpetrator and left to get frightened by SuhaagRaat thoughts?

WHY WHY WHY??

Suvreen Guggal ko top karaaney ke chakkar mey IPK fail ho gaya in TRP exam


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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: Didikisaut

I think you are missing the point, its not about some kind of poetic justice.

The thing is guilt more than anything else. Even an idiot can tell that Khushi is no where to be blamed for the contract marriage mess. Arnav may accept his faults but without remorse what is the guarantee he will not repeat it??? Remorse symbolizes change which is highly invisible


Read the thing in Red again. I said remorse is necessary, its just that remorse needn't be necessarily portrayed with tears only.
IPK has a fantastic set of actors, and I am sure Barun can emote ANY emotion well enough to make us understand even his unsaid words, like he has been doing since past 1 year!
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: Firebolt


Darling KKGSR style hug to you. Time is a gift amidst hectic college work. How have you been?

Yes i do see where you're coming from. Khushi has been the one to bear the brunt of any little thing that goes wrong in the show.

It will always be Arnavs story i guess. We've been cleverly fooled.

@Hiru- True that. One look at our FF section is proof enough.

shriya🤗
nose flick
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life is good for today girl more free on sundays and since i dont have a life i spend my time here😆 sigh working on a report due last week so kind of multitasking
and if it had to be Arnav's story then that is what they should have advertised as such right from the start put only his face on the tag banner et al explained it was his journey into finding love not shown them both together and write that this story is about their journey into love
i would have the freedom to chose instead of being baited into watching the serial You show the female as some one refreshingly unique and having her own story to tell and today she is nothing but an arm candy adjunct to the male lead singing and dancing and massaging him That is not what i signed up for An androgynous bahu in the male lead with matriarchs and mother in laws and sisters ruling the roost
Hell if i wanted to see saas bahu saga why would i chose to watch this when i have lamp and light dhokla bride and child bride to chose from😆
sigh shriya they really did a bait and switch on us which is a crime in the US
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: ..Kirann..


Even THE MIGHTY ASR could have confronted them instead of ruining her life. Why did he run away and started crying like a baby in his room?

She didn't tell everyone cuz she didn't want to break her sister's marriage AGAIN!


ASR did not know Khushi so well to demand answers from her ... they weren't even in a relationship or anything... he believed what he saw... my point is that they both made wrong decisions that night...
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: charlotte74

Arnav didn't even know that Khushi wanted to be saved... and basically my point is both are at fault here ...

I think I should make myself clear by saving I mean preventing the hate marriage which he had.

Secondly What Arnav did was intentional, he wanted to teach Khushi a lesson hence he ridiculed her infront of Devi maiyya. Her believes were shattered intentionally as she had broken his heart
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: CDlove

swathi, what we call as ASR style redemption (the far fetched ways of making his wife feel at home i.e) and the fact that he's defending her when everyone's mean to her and all that is shown at the expence of Khushi's tears is the damage controling way of writers to bring the much demanded redemption track. They wanted ASR's macho image to be intact and totally forgot about mandotory elements in the story line such as a self realisation of his mistakes.

They realised they created a huge blunder by not showing ASR's regret/guilt track, also realised it's too late to come up with a full blown repentence track. Obviously Khushi's character is there to shred and mutilate and carry the weight of their mistakes because they themselves claim they can make Khushi do anything. so here we are, throdding on Khushi's character and completely changing her characteristics so that ASR's style redemption is shown.



Exactly! They have horrible, and i mean that in kind words, damage control. It's either that or they are hoping for more hate track which will bring bring in repentance. In any case it's a spiral downwards.

yeah okay ASR is the lead blah blah blah, i get it. Concentrate on his past, whatever. But I would like to see a strong female character for a change. Sanaya is so fab, use her damn it.
Edited by Firebolt - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
You've hit the nail of the head so well here, there's not really much left to add at all. Nice analysis as usual.

Just had a few random thoughts which I thought I could share:

1) Dadi actually is not an embittered lady, with a casteist mindset towards people from an economically disadvantaged background. She actually respects domestic help and in fact truly loves Khushi in her own way. This is just her way of showing it.

2) Akash is a husband who will go to the ends of the earth for Payal. He will never ever question her or blame her for anything, and in fact, jumps to her defense against all and sundry, be it his mother, cousin sister, or other assorted members of his family. This is just his way of showing these emotions.

3) Mamiji adores Payal and Khushi. Her behavior towards these two is just her way of showing her intense love, tenderness and care.

After reading the 3 points above, did You think I've been smoking something that leads to delusions? Did you find these hypotheses bizarre in the extreme? But...but..these are hardly more bizarre than saying "Arnav's redemption will also be shown in a unique manner" - or words to that effect.

There is no point in saying a redemption track is 'unique' if it does not convey any sense of heartfelt redemption/ remorse/ contrition at all!!

When some people say, that to show a redemption means that ASR's character portrayal will be 'tampered with' in some way, I just want to ask-

1) Do self assured people with a robust ego, never ever feel sorry? Can they never make a simple, heartfelt statement of remorse?

2) Does expressing remorse automatically mean that you have to grovel, shrivel and weep? Is there no positive, dignified (but still direct) way of expressing this sentiment?

3) Does one become, in some sense, a lesser person by expressing one's remorse? Does one come across as a wimp/ sissy by doing so?

Frankly, with all due objectivity, I don't think anyone could possibly answer 'Yes' to the queries above. Then why apply these sentiments to ASR?

I feel the issue is not that the CV's don't want Arnav to show a sincere redemption. I feel, somehow, that there is still one major emotional blow left, that Arnav is going to throw on Khushi at the culmination of this current track.

And then- Hooray- the creatives will introduce a huge, melodramatic, long drawn out, unrealistic redemption track that will satisfy nobody. I say nobody, because those of us (self included) who wanted a genuine redemption, would feel it was so long delayed, it's become too late. Besides, we would hate the melodrama.

And those who feel the very word 'redemption' is anathema to Arnav's character, would anyway find such a overdone track too much to bear.

Edited by RamnVij - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: Harshitha


there is no point in asking Khushboo anything
the trps shall do the talking
Khushboo will obviously support the CV's she is the one who came up with the whole Anjali characterization on the forum
the trps gave 4 & above during the Sangeet phase which means trps means alot it has the capacity to show what the audience really want
even Khushboo cant do anything about that


The TRPs are talking every wednesday Harshitha but its CVs who are being blind to it and stopped doing the necessary. They have totally stopped catching the nerve of the audience to show something meaningful and justice to Khushi and her sacrifices. They are being dumb and blind idiots (excuse me for it) All they want to show saas torturing bahus and random rabba ves and DKS

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