Why redemption is still a must

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Sareeta

@sareeta

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Posted: 13 years ago

#121

Originally posted by: momma1128
@Rima - please show me who in this post has said that he does not need to make up for the things he has done to her? No one.

The difference is that you want to go down a charge sheet and the other half just want the show to unfold with the characters with what they are being shown to feel right now. You want the scorecard, I don't see it as a necessity because it is quite evident from the female lead who is crawling in a garage in the middle of the night to save the man who did these things to her, that she has thrown hers out.

And I don't understand your last comment. Looks like all 11 are saying he will realize his obligation.

Exactly, you can't spend life on scorecards then we can't love anyone at all. We are not contesting anyone who wants redemption Rima, all we are saying is 'has to' is like a demand. It will happen because everyone goes through it, it is a process. One can't demand it of a character. And I know you dont want it implied, no one wants it, but please remember it is Khushi that Arnav needs to show it, not because she asked or wants, but because he will give it to her because that is Arnav.

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Nowsheen

@Nowsheen

Explorer

Posted: 13 years ago

#122

Can not agree more!! Redemption is required but not the typical serial kind, rather what you stated. True, heartfelt redemption that attempts to heal from the inside. Let's keep our fingers crossed!

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Sareeta

@sareeta

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Posted: 13 years ago

#123

Originally posted by: rima

If there are 10 people who did not want it there are 20 people who want it. If you guys are the audience there are tons in this post who are also the audience. Where did I say ASR has to tear himself. Why is it so wrong to ask him to realize. Of course it is needed to keep scorecards. Have seen to much of Khushi torture. Just read maverick's points. How many he has listed.

ASR may be his own harshest critic. But time now that he finds reason to exercise his critical faculties which still does not stop him from being harsh to a girl who has never ever harmed anyome. So his 'pain' and 'remorse' are not enough for may viewers who do not understand this kind of remorse which hurts the person he is feeling sorry for. And no Khushi did not fall for a soft and mushy ASR. But then Khushi is Khushi. She loves her Arnavji just as he is. But does that mean she doesn't deserve more? No not at all. She may not want it but she deserves to get it

So I am crystal clear for every 1 person who thinks ASR will defenitely realize there are 10 people who will say he has to realize.

Rima, we get what you are saying when you say many viewers wont be satisfied with remorse and pain and my answer to that will be sadly they don't understand remorse and pain all are that purify a person of the misguided thoughts and actions. It takes all kinds to make the world Rima and to understand a person like Arnav and his actions, not everyone can be a khsuhi, if viewers want a different sort of expression from Arnav, then they are not seeing it from Khsuhi's perspective at all and they haven't , forgive me have not understood Khushi at all.

And we are saying Khushi will be given her due by Arnav because that is Arnav. Not because he has to, but because that is him. Khushi is deserving of it and Arnav more than anyone else knows it. Khushi might not want it at all, but he will give her because Arnav will give it! Do recollect, this is the same man, who gives his mami the due credit for standing by him when his own nani was against - a simple statement that he will never forget what Mami did for him! He gives people their due and understands their importance. It is his nature and personality that the man is weak in terms of emotions and is often misguided and when he realizes, he is the first to set things in order not change, but make them better!

When people say Khushi is their favorite character, is it because they understand her truly and her actions and why she does them or is it because they love her mahaanta that is highlighted against Arnav brooding and rather harsh attitude towards life , that we are incapable of and only desire to have but do not want to even attempt (one doesnt have to be mahaan, we just have to be able to accept different perceptions towards life and that is man's greatness flaw isnt it)? I believe we are all khushis deep down... if we can't connect with ourselves, we can never be and we will fail to understand a khushi anywhere we meet! :)

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Sareeta

@sareeta

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Posted: 13 years ago

#124

Originally posted by: rima

applause maverick. I never even wanted ASR to be hurting and all. Simple realization is too much to ask? Why should so many instances be forgotten by her. And on top of tat why is Khushi still expected to 'love' and be angelic to Arnav (which she is by the way and the pranks are the silliest 'hit out' by her). So why should the audience not want this redemption?

Rima, Maverick - I do agree that you never wanted ASR to hurt and all, but why are we assuming that ASR wont realize. ASR is realizing , isnt that obvious, we have wait till it unfolds as to how he will act in the future and go about giving Khushi her due (which he already has begun in his own way) - when truth comes out about Shyaam, his realization will deepen and his actions will speak louder and loads to Khsuhi and she will get her due, even though she doesnt ask for it, but because Arnav wants to give it to her!

And now Rima to your question - why should instances be forgotten by Khsuhi, no one expects her to forget. She has moved on. SHe chooses not to recollect, but viewers want her to.! ISnt it clear that viewers dont understand Khsuhi at all. Viewers want to hold the grudge against Arnav not Khushi! If viewers still demand it, I dare say, they dont understand Khushi and possibly will never be able to!

Khushi is not expected to be angelic or mahaan. Because the viewers are unable to identify with the outlook she has, they choose to give her that name. She is a simple girl with immense faith in good deeds and has a tehraav that comes with a complete acceptance of self and of the actions that happen without questioning the reason.

No one is saying we dont want redemption (i for one dont like the word) - they only want it in Arnav's way and not in the way viewers seem to demand in terms of showering extra love (i've already posted on this in response to another post in this thread) or being overtly expressive which is complete injustice to the character of Arnav. HE will show it, in his way - subtle expression but strong on emotional quotient as always and straight from the heart!

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Maverick29

@Maverick29

Voyager

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Posted: 13 years ago

#125

Originally posted by: sareeta

Spot on ! I couildnt have said it any better myself. You said it!!!! And yes why should it be track for lord's sake?!!! It is a process and definitely not a change. People dont change drastically. I hate that word! People get better... a positive thing as love, does that to people, you become better, if you are hurting, you heal and if you are dying (sorry for treading a poetic path), you come alive! :)

A little confusion here!! my compulsive nature made me point this out -- her dream sequence doesnt show him "yelling/bullying/Intimidating guy!"

Ok this may be just me but I have a few observations and questions. Yep it is an age old cliche that women love the rich/powerful/accomplished types -- but i dont think they want them to behave like the asses they have to be in the real world when they are intimate!!! I havent met a single woman that wants her man to behave as abrasively as he does at work -- yes "taking charge" in the bed room is a MAN thing -- no debate there. But the discussions seem to run between either a mushy guy -- who obviously is not a real MAN for most women and the Intimidator -- practically a rapist -- so far I havent seen a single shot where Khushi seemed to actually enjoy this guy's touch -- she is always wiggling out or is hurt by his strong hold -- the one time she was lost in his touch was on the Deepavali night and we all know what he did afterwards. Isnt there an in-between thing -- a strong guy at work and well known for "getting things done" but a guy equally accomplished in making a woman experience beautiful things in the bedroom??? Or am I getting things wrong here -- is the fetish associated with board room like behavior in the bedroom?? He was actually developing into that guy when he danced and they continued that with Holi sequence and the Heer Ranjha sequence -- that is the type of guy -- it is the growth of a guy from knowing "how to win in business" to win people's hearts -- he was slowly transforming into that person before the writers went crazy again. So, when we talk redemption more talks like the inebriated ones during Holi or the "uninhibited" expression during the "heer-Ranjha" are the ones required.

The art of making a woman want more is not in the intimidation that one shows at work -- these comments seem more due to the infatuation with the guy and his power than with the actual thing in the bedroom!

I may be wrong but most women I know a different kind of thing in the bedroom as opposed to the board room! They are not one and the same. And there is an in-between guy capable of being what he needs to be to get things done and maintain his position as a powerful guy at work and be the MAN who can show care without doing like a mother or a woman! I think that art is called Sringara (used both for female makeup as well as the art of love making).

Cheers.

Edited by Maverick29 - 13 years ago

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Katie

@love_iqbal_khan

Rocker

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Posted: 13 years ago

#126

Great post! I couldnt have agreed with you more!

I agree that both were right in their own places but things that were said out of anger and hurt, the deeds done need to be undone.

Especially on Arnav's past. And I also like how you said that redemption doesnt have to mean separation or Arnav in pain.

But he needs to acknowledge what he has done to her dreams and her innocence and he needs to restore it. He needs to restore all the love which was lost by grief taking over. He needs to restore her smiled and rid her of her tears.

She needs to rid him of his grief and give him smiles as well. She needs to ensure that she doesn't unintentionaly put him on a guilt trip about this and instead she should help him as he tries to redeem himself and undo his hurtful words/actions. She needs to be his support, he'll need it just as much as Anjali when Shyam's truth is out.

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PlovesArshi

@PlovesArshi

Inactive

Posted: 13 years ago

#127

Totally agree with you Rima, and that will many lovely and romantic episodes!😍

Wondering if that will happen! Khushi needs a bit of khushi and a bit of masti in her life.

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Sareeta

@sareeta

Sparkler

Posted: 13 years ago

#128

Originally posted by: Maverick29

A little confusion here!! my compulsive nature made me point this out -- her dream sequence doesnt show him "yelling/bullying/Intimidating guy!"

Ok this may be just me but I have a few observations and questions. Yep it is an age old cliche that women love the rich/powerful/accomplished types -- but i dont think they want them to behave like the asses they have to be in the real world when they are intimate!!! I havent met a single woman that wants her man to behave as abrasively as he does at work -- yes "taking charge" in the bed room is a MAN thing -- no debate there. But the discussions seem to run between either a mushy guy -- who obviously is not a real MAN for most women and the Intimidator -- practically a rapist -- so far I havent seen a single shot where Khushi seemed to actually enjoy this guy's touch -- she is always wiggling out or is hurt by his strong hold -- the one time she was lost in his touch was on the Deepavali night and we all know what he did afterwards. Isnt there an in-between thing -- a strong guy at work and well known for "getting things done" but a guy equally accomplished in making a woman experience beautiful things in the bedroom??? Or am I getting things wrong here -- is the fetish associated with board room like behavior in the bedroom?? He was actually developing into that guy when he danced and they continued that with Holi sequence and the Heer Ranjha sequence -- that is the type of guy -- it is the growth of a guy from knowing "how to win in business" to win people's hearts -- he was slowly transforming into that person before the writers went crazy again. So, when we talk redemption more talks like the inebriated ones during Holi or the "uninhibited" expression during the "heer-Ranjha" are the ones required.

The art of making a woman want more is not in the intimidation that one shows at work -- these comments seem more due to the infatuation with the guy and his power than with the actual thing in the bedroom!

I may be wrong but most women I know a different kind of thing in the bedroom as opposed to the board room! They are not one and the same. And there is an in-between guy capable of being what he needs to be to get things done and maintain his position as a powerful guy at work and be the MAN who can show care without doing like a mother or a woman! I think that art is called Sringara (used both for female makeup as well as the art of love making).

Cheers.

OK, am sorry, now I don't know where that came from? I dont think I made any comments out of infatuation for arnav's character and definitely don't agree with his behavior as a nasty prick at work or otherwise.

Am sorry, but my comments seem to be seen in wrong light. I rather shut up now and let the discussions move on.

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Maverick29

@Maverick29

Voyager

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Posted: 13 years ago

#129

Originally posted by: sareeta

OK, am sorry, now I don't know where that came from? I dont think I made any comments out of infatuation for arnav's character and definitely don't agree with his behavior as a nasty prick at work or otherwise.

Am sorry, but my comments seem to be seen in wrong light. I rather shut up now and let the discussions move on.

Why? Things are going so well on the discussion! You have some great points and observations -- we are just having some fun! I made points that were just some questions based on everyone's comments not just you! I am just trying to get all opinions out in the debate!

Have fun and honestly all of you are way too nice! I am enjoying this. I appreciate all the comments -- you guys are becoming a good group of people we can discuss things like this is a "character eval" thing -- again you didnt say anything wrong or something I reacted to! I am just putting some stuff on the table!

Cheers.

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Divyaanish

@divyaanish.83

Beginner

Posted: 13 years ago

#130

Of course Khushi does not want Arnav to hurt or be in pain or go tizzy with remorse.

Of course ASR has already realized his love, confessed it and suffered in love.

But words said in anger, actions done out of hate and grief given due to rash actions, need to be undone through kind words, remorse and loving actions.

Because whatever time and change heals, it never heals the pain of harsh words and deeds. They come back to haunt and pinch when we are at our lowest points in life.

For Khushi to heal inside, she needs a redemption.

For Arnav to be trusted completely, he needs a redemption.

For the love to become stronger, the love needs a redemption.

For them to begin their relationship afresh, they both need a redemption.

For we the viewers, who have watched Khushi torture, we need a redemption.

Again I stress, redemption is not separation.

Redemption is not ASR hurting himself.

Redemption is not grief for either.

Redemption should simply be ASR realizing through words and actions, how wrong he was about Khushi from Lucknow till date.

Redemption means Arnav giving back Khushi all her dreams.

Redemption means Arnav marrying Khushi in style again.

Redemption means loving Khushi and giving her the due she deserves in his life.

Is that too much to ask? I hope the CVs don't let us down here!

WELL SAID...SHOW MUST HAVE A REDEMPTION TRACK..THE WOUND ASR GAVE KHUSHI BY HIS RASH WORDS IS NOT SO EASY TO FORGET FOR ANY WOMAN POSSESSING SELF RESPECT N I DON'T LIKE KHUSHI'S CHARACTER TO B SO WEAK N DUMP..YEAH OF COURSE SHE DON'T WANT HIM TO B IN DANGER THAT DOESN'T MEAN SHE HVE TO FORGET ALL CRUEL DEEDS SO SOON OF COURSE SHE HAS TO FORGIVE HIM SINCE SHE IS DEEPLY IN LOVE WITH HIM, BUT NOT SO EASILY ...THE STORY WILL B REALISTIC ONLY WHEN ARNAV WINS HER HEART FROM THE VERY BEGINNING..IT DOESN'T MEAN SEPARATION.AS U SAID HE HAS TO WIN HER TRUST AND LOVE ALL OVER AGAIN.THERE IS NO POINT IN SEEING THE ROMANCE TRACK WITHOUT PROPER REDEMPTION FROM ARNAV.THEN HE HAVE TO MARRY HER AFTER WINNING HER HEART, PROPOSING AND MARRY THE WAY SHE ALWAYS DREAMT ABOUT.FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DESPERATELY WANT TO SEE ARSHI ROMANCE THEY CAN VERY WELL SEE IT IN REDEMPTION TRACK TOO.I THINK THEY CAN ENJOY THE SHOW LIKE THEY DID IN DEC,JAN ...THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION..LIKE EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN..