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Posted: 13 years ago
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Doods, Wonderful post and loved your analysis. Loved how you drew comparison between the chaat scene and food ordered by ARnav. You have done a great job in explaining the difference between "Metaphor" and Symbolism".👏👏👏👏
Sorry to hear that people have been copying your ideas and claiming them as theirs. I just do not understand what benefit would they get out of it. I just hope you don't stop writing as we all love to read your analysis which definitely helps us to understand which way the story is moving.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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to all RREDUXIANS
on our previous thread ..." Norwester" bring chosen the thread of the week

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Posted: 13 years ago
#43
nice advice doods... liked your explanation on symbolism and metaphor. I had lost faith in CV's, due to OTT track and no continuation in episodes...nowadays it seems CV's know what they want from this track...each episode is followed properly by the previous one...not like before when fights or love scenes or confrontation were forgotten in the next scene and no one cares...everyone was normal and behaved like nothing happened.
Today, Arnav didnt trust her blaming her for morning street bath, saying khushi you can do anything!!! atlast something makes sense 👏

Best part of today's show - when Khushi says speak slowly then Arnav gets angry and tells "everyone can see me taking bath, but they cannot see me shout".. hilarious 😆

Tomorrow's episode preview clearly shows that Buaji and Amma will know there is something wrong in Arnav and Khushi's marriage life. They might decide to talk to Arnav.

I have a inclination to make it later this week, now want to know what is navaratan korma doing in IPKKND during a pusta (pasta) day!..tantya waiting for your update.

edit - thanks tantya..nice update liked your explanation on how Arnav has accepted them as his family. This must have really surprise Khushi, we could see in her face happiness and confusion about Arnav.

Happy Birthday Doods!!!! Many More Happy Returns of the Day!!!🥳
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Dear Tant and Doods,
Congratualations on being chosen as the thread of the week,you people deserve it for all the hard work you do.I have not yet read today's analysis,but first i want to appreciate you.
And even i have noticed that you ideas and analysis are being used as their ideas,from the time i recognized i dont even go there...
Keep up the good work...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: --Anna--

Hola people 🤗

Sathya Love the title and the explanation - it indeed was an episode with spice, sourness and sweetness in it! 😃


Before watching the episode today I kept saying to myself - "Take a deep breath Anna, all will be fine... Its all going to be for good." And this is how I watched the episode today and now I do not regret it at all - because if I did not like Khushi's antics in the first half - the second half was covered by Arnav and then Arnav and Khushi and how. SBS no doubt makes us very uneasy and we decide to not watch the episode - however there is no point of not watching the episode because even though some of it may just be irritating the other parts are just adorable and does not make you cringe.


Coming to the episode and my equations ;

The Shyam Equation

I do not feel like talking about the first half of the episode because it was irritating to the core, however I did see something and I will mention that in Arnav Khushi Equation III. Coming to Shyam loved him - because Finally the key is made! Yayyy!! However Mama's presence on the scene and a witness to the formation of a key is definitely a stepping up point for Arnav to get a lead on when the file goes missing. Looks like Mama will definitely have a strong role to play in the coming episodes - since the formation of the key was a definite important start to the movement of the story line.

Yes even i feel the same, coz the last time because of mamaji Anajli was saved from falling into the pool 😃

Arnav Khushi Equation I


"Bijlii aagayi"


Bijli - light - that is what is missing from Arnav's life. He is frustrated, in pain and hurt from within and this is where Khushi screams that light has come - that the darkness is coming to an end - that the misunderstanding will soon be resolved and she will bring that light in his darkness - something I have said time and again. And moreover - Arnav is in the Gupta Household - means that this is where his final part of the MU will get cleared. This is where the story of Khushi and Shyam started and this is where Arnav will see its reality.

This has been the story, Kushi is the brightness in Arnav's life , but when will this happen ..sigh
Arnav Khushi Equation II



Arnav orders food - scared that he will be given the same boiled food to eat - and I do not blame him at all. The food arrives and the bill is of Rs.5070. Since Arnav is not there when the food arrives - the Gupta ladies decide to pay for the food themselves as they cannot let the 'damaad' of the house pay for the food. That is how a son-in-law is treated in the house and that is what has made me love Garima and Buaji. They do not care about themselves but about Arnav - take the food and pay from their savings. Khushi comes into see the bill and is disappointed. However I would say - if she had not pulled the stunt of serving bland food to him on the very first day - Arnav would not have felt the need to order. So no - no points for her.


Arnav comes and wants to pay for the food. You can see the look of guilt on his face - and that is what I like about Arnav - he regrets and he is guilty of his actions. And moreover I think he is guilty of what he has done to Khushi and indirectly to Payal that he cannot even look at Buaji in the eyes. He lowers his eyes whenever he speaks to them and bows his tone a bit and is calm and silent.


Coming to the dining table scene - Khushi is frustrated with Arnav, Garima and Buaji are hurt while Shashi ji's expression - I could not guess. But just one action of Arnav when he tells them that the food was not only for him but all of them - catches them by surprise and the whole situation changes. When Arnav hands the soup for Shashi ji - saying it is light - Khushi is touched - when he hands over the pasta to her - ordered especially keeping her taste in mind - she loves teekha aka spice - she holds on to it as if her life depends on it - when he gives the food to Buaji and Garima - again Khushi is touched. She knew that Buaji and Garima would not like the food - yet she knew his thought was what mattered. He thought of them and ordered food not only for them - but keeping in mind the tastes of everyone - did he order it. The whole dining table scene was nothing but adorable. Maybe this will give Khushi an insight into Arnav Singh Raizada.


One particular scene which was my favorite - when Arnav hands Khushi her box of pasta - she holds on to it tightly and looks at it as if it is the most precious thing in the world and if I may say for her it definitely was. For the first time as I can remember - Arnav got (ordered) something for her keeping in mind her taste. The way she looked at it was adorable. Arnav has given his heart to Khushi - but she does not know that - and there is a long time when that will actually happen - but whenever that happens - it will be the most precious thing that she will have and she will take care of his heart and will place it and him above everything and over everything.

The table scene was the best for me. i loved every one here.. Kushi's reaction was fab.. it shows how she longs for this little gestures from Arnav ..
One word for Arnav he is a swetheart. he may be a jerk at times but he has proved time & again that he does care for people who are close to him. The day the MU gets cleared Kushi will be treated like a princess.
Arnav Khushi Equation III



Arnav's car has been ripped off everything - the tires, the steering wheel and the seats - every little thing of the big huge car was gone - practically leaving a metal box and nothing else. Obviously by now he is quite aware of Khushi's intentions - and that is to irritate him and no doubt his first suspicion goes on her. He knows she is an expert with cars and he thinks that she has stolen the parts to irritate him... However that was not the case and they ended up fighting like cats and dogs in the middle of the street. When Khushi realizes that people are gathering around them - she tries to sush him down - and he retorts back with - 'Its okay for people to see me bath - but its not okay for us to fight!?' (That was awesome - had to write it 😃)


Significance - why do I think that the file holds something so important and dangerous that it is going to rip Arnav off his reputation and family!? Even if it is the 6 month contract - that file in public view would finish off Arnav's status in the society. And what more - he will think it was Khushi who did it - not listen to her - and hold her responsible for it - just like he did today and then he will be left standing alone because after a point of time - done with his accusations Khushi will also move away from him - leaving him all alone just like the end shot of today's episode.


I would also add the first scene here - where Arnav was ripped off everything he ever was - by bringing him to bath in public she ripped him off his 'so-called' dignity and status. The thing that caught my attention was the foam that kept Arnav's eyes closed - just like the misunderstanding that is keeping Arnav's eyes closed as of now. And it is Khushi who washes the foam off his eyes - clearing his sight and hence if I may say that clearing his misunderstanding and giving him the right perspective in the future.


Pointers :

1) Why was their no reaction from Arnav on Khushi's antics once he was dressed!?

2) Rs. 5070 ka bill for 5 pastas!? Are u kidding me!?

3) The whole car had been ripped off and instead of asking around where Arnav had parked - they decided to fight over it!?

4) On a serious note : Can we please not have Barun strip anymore!? Its not even droolsworthy when you see it so many times. I really don't like him stripping please give him his clothes back and end any water track for a week or two.

Favorite Character

Garima and Buaji - these two ladies have been winning my heart time and again for their patience while dealing with Arnav and Khushi both. The way they handled the money issue and the way Garima was ready to bring water for Arnav from kitchen was adorable. Something tells me - soon enough Garima will be the Mom Arnav misses. He will seek solace in her lap and give her that respect that she deserves and more.


I was considering whether to watch the episode or not - but well it was a good watch. I did find the first half irritating - but I will ignore it because the rest was on a lighter note and in good taste.

Love ;)

Anna loved ur analysis 😃
I am glad i watched the episode yesterday , i skipped the bathing part & enjoyed the rest of the episode.
Precap was even better..
@Doods - i am glad that there is nothing significant in the last scene , coz i cannot see a business tycoon stripped off his wealth & brough down to the streets. 😃
Have a great day Anna , Satya and Doods.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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At work will still read ur analysis in details in some time - but the first thing which I saw and couldnt help mentioning u - was thanks for puuting this out in bold 👏👏👏

India still accounts for one-third of the world's 1.21 billion poor people. 43% of Indian children are malnourished, a third of the world's total. Over 35% of Indians are illiterate, and more than 20 million children are out of school. Today access to improved water source have increased but still we have timely water supply. There are places in parts of India where the water source is scarce, the timely water supply is still valid and this is how low-middle class people really survive their daily necessities.

Exactly...Shekhar Kapur is making a movie on "water issue" - it is alarming - the basic necessities in life are what is going to be the most rationed stuff in near future even for the "Haves" section - sio its time in whichever way, the media and showbiz starts highlighting - somewhere the point will be noticed and noted !!!

PS on the hindsight reminded me of old Kolkata days of tubewell...and the story in many parts of the developing city is still the same - in Mumbai and Delhi it is worse - In Bangalore the IT capital - the water problem is a burning issue - a reality check is wat the epi depicted yestrday - and still CVs recv flak from the internet audience - coz they are in the rose tinted glossy world...where the audience sitting in the middle class homes wid no access to web - dont gv it a second thought - coz "rationing" is the truth they have grown up !!!
Amazing write up dear !!!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@ Pam, just loved your analysis. It was awesome as usual, yeah Khushi and her antics are becoming hard to digest by the day, it's a pity and ironical that now we're all siding with ASR who is responsible for hurting her so much because of this 6 month contract marriage. This fact now seems to have been buried under a pile of humiliating acts conducted by Khushi. It is hard to remember now who is the victim and who the culprit. Not sure whether this treatment was a wise move on the part of the CVs...

But I especially loved the following lines from your analysis:

Khushi today crossed that boundary. She took him to a public bath, a place where he would not have visited even in his wildest dreams. He is a person who does not even share things with Aakash,his brother and today he had to share a bath with the outsiders.Clothes are his image and his dignity and she stripped him of that in front of strangers and this was a grave insult to him. He is not person who can easily convey his inner feelings but he was hurt, he was insulted, he tried telling her that but when she did not heed, he left her. He did not scream at her, he did not show his anger but his behavior indicated that he did not like it, his attitude screamed that he hated it.


Today he was very near to his limit, but he had not crossed it yet. How much can a person bear before his feelings come out? When the next shock came with his car he could not control it any longer and he blamed her for the bath. A person who has been quiet about the vast amount of pain he is holding inside him referred to the bath not once, but twice and called her a "Chor". Chor means someone who steals and from Arnav's perspective Khushi is a thief. She stole his sister's husband, she stole his sister's happiness and she stole his dreams, dreams that he had started weaving because of her, dreams that she had initiated in his life, dreams that made him believe that life can be beautiful, dreams that made him want to live a whole life once again and now, according to him, not being satisfied with that, she is stealing his dignity, his class, his veneer, everything that makes him a man he is today.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Today he was very near to his limit, but he had not crossed it yet. How much can a person bear before his feelings come out? When the next shock came with his car he could not control it any longer and he blamed her for the bath. A person who has been quiet about the vast amount of pain he is holding inside him referred to the bath not once, but twice and called her a "Chor". Chor means someone who steals and from Arnav's perspective Khushi is a thief. She stole his sister's husband, she stole his sister's happiness and she stole his dreams, dreams that he had started weaving because of her, dreams that she had initiated in his life, dreams that made him believe that life can be beautiful, dreams that made him want to live a whole life once again and now, according to him, not being satisfied with that, she is stealing his dignity, his class, his veneer, everything that makes him a man he is today.

Loved this part... true to T
The most emotional moment for me in the entire episode was the precap...
From last thurday I kept thinking..why is Khushi not understanding that it is very very difficult for Arnav to accpet somebody else as his mother... The very word 'Amma' hits him... hits him hard... and how in the world will he accept her that easily? But in today's episode if he bursts out, then it will be good, not just for him but also for Khushi as she will, hopefully be able to understand him a lil better
A lil thought: I think there will be a huge confrontation between Shyaam and Arnav before he lets out the truth to Khushi...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Thank you Doodhs and Anna 👏

Loved both of your analysis.
Doodleberry : I liked the Shyam v/s Arnav and Class v/s heart explanation. And I do agree on the metaphors and symbolisms. But I think everyone wants to look at the symbolisms whether it means or not for it gives a ray of positivity. Otherwise the episode rather seem a copy cat of the previous episodes and nothing else. I hope you do not mind.
Anna : I loved your significances and Arnav Khushi Equation II, I agree with Doodhs that not every scene has symbolism but your significances nevertheless gives a ray of hope to me. Kudos to the positivity you show since I know how depressed you are generally with the show.
Will wait for Tanthya's update 😊
Edited by ananya7736 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Doods...🤗

According to western standards it might be but not according to Indian standards. This is where Maslow's Pyramid fails. India can be experienced in its depth only by an inward and spiritual mindset. This mindset requires flexibility in one's schedule, love for her people, respect for traditions and thoughts, an intern calmness to cope with scenes of severe poverty and a devotion of one's activities to a higher Power. The experiences can then go beyond one's mind and visual perceptions. Now this is where the Class v/s Heart falls. This is where ASR needs to understand his knowledge of Indian Culture and values v/s Western Culture and values.

Loved this part...👏👏👏 Very very true..


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