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Posted: 13 years ago
#91
Its true ..this is the starting point where Arnav will use his brain..and clear MU

I am confused about why arnav lied to her that he did not faint..Later anji told that he lies so that his loved ones not get worry, thats why he lied to khushi.

I am still not able to connect this..He lied because as Sush said in her post
1) he does not want her to give credit
2) want her to realize that when u r not intend to hurt yet stamped guilty..how it feels??
3) it was really to make her worry free?

For me it was not definitely number 3..but in forum people said it was his love for her ..he cannot see her in pain.😕


Edited by Shastradhari - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#92

Originally posted by: doodleberry


Yeah Purvi. Khushi is thinking in that angle as we discussed... it wa Arnav I was confused and I changed that opinion completely while penning down as that became cleared... Tu amaze nehin huyi after reading me??? 😆 Doods ke opinions palt gayi ??? 😆

I just added now:-

This loop is very layered and this also is attached with the wedding night when Khushi was by the pool and he on the lounger... he actually lied to imply how shrewd she is and that when he was pareshan Khushi didn't even lend the ears to her. She here the sibling love is not in action which Anjali is trying to explain but here its the lover's love in action. We shuldn't forget the Maan abhmaan thingy at all.

I hope this clears the air.


btw I forgot to Wish u a Vary Happy New Year to u n the fly! Hope it brings lots of happiness n success.

😆 I did read that... Actually when I rewatched it on TV it kinda left me thinking tooo..( the effect of watching with fresh mind) . N then i let it ponder .. Till I read you n I LOL ...See the prob is this guy is so complexed that we cannot let anything go past him... N ESP with KKG he uses Reverser Psychology n manipulates any situation... N yes he cannot let go off that angle of dealing Shyam-Khushi aspect... So I see it as a dual purpose here...


but saying this you am clear!
Edited by casper - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#93

Originally posted by: doodleberry

Edited:-

Pixie and Savvy and I have got PMs asking me for the explanation of Arnav's statement to Khushi -"Pehele yeh bataao, poori raat pareshaan hokar kaisa lagta hai? Kaisa laga bina galti kiye guilty feel karna??", so I thought I will explain it in the main post. As it is it turned out a marathon, a little bit longer won't be a problem, is it??? 😃 The reason I didn't explain it yesterday is because on Thursday I have proved the connection of Arnav's unconscious attack with the Guest House (GH) incident and hence thought I can skip as you all can connect it. Yes, this dialogue of Arnav was for Khushi as till date since 8 months Arnav was not given a single chance by Khushi to clarify himself and I am glad that the loop which was untouched is now been touched upon.


It was the day when just to get rid of Khushi, Arnav had sent her on a job to the GH which was under renovation; Arnav was not at all was aware of the fact that the place was way too dangerous for her. Hence, when he got the phone call he was th first to jump in to save her and rescued her from the GH and brought her back to her home. Upon gaining consciousness, Khushi under the influence of Shyaam and her family decided to resign from the job and submit her resignation to the mighty Mr. Arnav Singh Raizada. She went there and submitted her resignation to ASR accusing him with - "jo insaan kisiki zindagi jaan bujke khatre mein dal sakta hain, uss insaan ke saath hum koi rishta nehin rakhna chahte" and also with - "aap haarte bahut bure hain Mr. Raizada, kyunki haarne ke baad bhi aap yeh nehin manenge ki galti aapki thi". That was the accusation Khushi stamped on ASR where as true to his character Arnav didn't even volunteer to clear his stance and that he actually was not guilty here as he never knew that the GH was dangerous for her. It was Anjali who only knew how mentally tortured and worried he was that night after he came home dropping Khushi at her home. After that moment he managed to clear his stance in front of Khushi at the Teej, at the Storeroom etc., but Khushi never even bothered to lend her ears to listen his side of the story. Yes, that night and after that many nights ASR was mentally tortured and accused himself for the hurt he had imposed on Khushi unknowingly. That is the reason he wanted to remind Khushi, how it feels to be tortured and worried whole night and feel guilty even without being guilty. But I see this loop is not yet closed as there are many layers in this. This loop will again be opened when Khushi will learn the exact reason of their wedding. That night also, both Arnav and Khushi had stayed awake up all night one by the pool and the other on the lounger in the room; Khushi stayed up all night without any guilt and Arnav up all night not able to disclose his reason for the wedding; they were not guilty in their own stance but yet they had been mentally tortured.

I hope all the doubts are cleared why Arnav said that and it will only close when the truth will be out in front of them and then only all the mental turmoil and tension they both are feeling will be over. There won't be any lies or accusation between them ever.


Thanks Doods, for the fantastic explanation 👏 It totally makes sense, and as you said this loop is layered and will be visited again. Thanks a ton for clearing this doubt. 🤗
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Posted: 13 years ago
#94

Originally posted by: pixiegirl

Only Doods can manage to go back and forth in highlighting the connection, well as according to the character Khushi never hears what he tells, therefore, we cannot blame the man.
Thanks Doods, for the fantastic explanation 👏 It totally makes sense, and as you said this loop is layered and will be visited again. Thanks a ton for clearing this doubt. 🤗

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Posted: 13 years ago
#95

Originally posted by: sea.nymph


"You may not always trust the person you love, but you can always love the person you trust."


Let me be clear right now and say - No, there isn't trust between Arnav and Khushi, but the beginnings toward trust is forming (at least from Arnav's side for now). A small step - which may or may not be spoilt by Shyam's Monday episode ke actions.

ANJALI-ARNAV AND THE MIRROR


Yesterday's episode was a bit complex, especially the Arnav-Anjali scene. At first, I believed that Arnav had lied to save Khushi from feeling guilty about his medical condition. But, I couldn't justify that belief to myself because there was something that was just not sitting right. My gut feeling told me that something was amiss with Arnav's stiffness and stillness during the whole scene.

So, I watched the scene a second time, and a third time, and a fourth time...

I maintained a close watch on Arnav when Anjali tells him that "Jo bhi hua, Khushiji ko dukhj pahuncha, pareshaani hui, aur unhone apne aap ko kosa. Isliye tumne us se jhooth kaha, ki jo bhi hua woh ek natak tha, taaki unhe bura na lage. Isse pata chalta hai ki tumhe Khushiji ka kitna khayal hai, aur kitna, ye shayad tumhe bhi nahi jaante Chote" - and that's when I could pen down what was disturbing me from believing that he was a selfless lover.

He wasn't surprised by what Anjali was saying
- if I had believed what Anjali was saying was true, that he had done it to take away Khushi's guilt, I would have seen a little emotion of wonder come in his eyes, a flicker of understanding or a hint of realization that he cares for her.

But did any of the above appear? Naah! I felt royally slapped in my face when I noticed that, because I had almost nearly believed Anjali's talk.

During her whole talk, Arnav was very very still, extremely attentive to each single word she said, and realized his actions toward Khushi after Anjali left the room. He is stunned, that he didn't latch on to Khushi's genuine care. Well, maybe an iota of his mind did, but Anjali reinforced that iota with her talk.

I loved Barun's acting after this 'zap!' moment - he turns back to the mirror, which reflected the puzzled state of his mind - the mirror has been used so well in this scene - it flashes the caring deeds of Khushi at him - while he looks on in disbelief (at himself) and shame - at the game he had played with Khushi (declaring that all his sickness was a natak). A part of me still feels that somewhere, probably deep inside, Arnav did also do it to relieve Khushi's guiltiness. And that's why it affected him after Anjali shot him with gyaan about his love, care for Khushi. Check his expressions in the scene.

WHY DID ARNAV SNUB KHUSHI'S CARE?

I'm not exactly sure 'why' he did it, though I did notice that when Khushi brought him his tea, he had a flashback of Anjali saying that 'she's happy with his choice of life partner - a wife who looks after him and his health.' - This sentence seemed to jar him a bit, probably because he assumes that the woman Anjali is praising, is the same one who is ruining Anjali's marriage. The best explanation I can give is that he wanted to keep Khushi in line- he didn't want to make her think that her care was noticed by him, or that it mattered to him.

In a way, I guess he wanted to indirectly snub her care, because he thinks she's linked to Shyam - which if Anjali came to know about would cause her hurt, and Arnav can never see his sister hurt.


This was one of the most brilliant and challenging scenes ever!! Kudos to Barun - this guy is breathtakingly amazing with his eyes! Phoof... He doesn't even need to speak to convey his innermost thoughts and feelings. Loved the Arnav-Anjali scene again - these two are too good together!!

WHERE IS THE TRUST?

Now I come to the much debated 'trust' factor.

I would like to start off by saying that, most of us (me too, until now) have been annoyed at the way the CV's don't offer monologues to Khushi, while Arnav gets Anjali to decode his feelings, and monologues to promote his thoughts. But, I now feel that the CV's know what they are doing, and that if they are not giving Khushi any monologues, then it must be for some very good reason. I don't think that they would commit such an error by purposely or mistakenly hiding her thoughts/feelings from the audience.

That done, I feel that Arnav is still a bit far away from trusting Khushi. Yes, she has given him umpteen number of times that show that she can be trusted, but with the current confusion between his heart and mind, Arnav is struggling with balancing these pressures, so one really can't expect him to go all gung-ho about starting to trust Khushi.

There are the little crumbs along the way for him, and yesterday's scene with Anjali was among the first substantial crumbs. Till now, it was just the occasional:

1. Khushi caring for him: bad throat, curtain rod falling on his head

2. Covering up for him in front of Nani, Anjali and Shyam

3. Saving his company from the Sethi brothers

Well, you get the gist. The point is, that the above have been really small incidents that began the churning process between Arnav's mind and heart. His mind tells him that "Hey there Arnav, you see this chirpy-turned-a-bit-whacko woman? She's the one who threatened to ruin your Di's marriage!", and his heart tells him, "How can someone so genuine, ever go out to destroy someone else's life?". Tick-tock, tick-tock... or ping-pong.. well, anyway, something like that is going on within Arnav right now. Which does he listen to? One time it's his mind, another time his heart!

After their marriage, Arnav's mind caught Shyam and Khushi together at the auditorium. His heart by then had already started sowing the seeds of doubt that defended Khushi's true character. Why else then, would he have bothered to question her over and over again that night? Heart over mind at play here - the first leetle (little) seed of doubt - he did not believe what he saw.

This was slowly heightened, after she refused to talk to him and stayed out of his sight for two whole days. He was getting used to her presence, and her absence disturbed him very much! When she slept in the same room as him after being absent for two consecutive nights, we see his heart, again, overtaking his mind - he sleeps
only after sneaking a glimpse of her - the image of her last in his 'mind' 😊

Even the Swami act, though annoying to him, didn't push him right over the edge. True he forgot his medicines and food (his own negligence, and the CV's way to bring about Khushi's guilt) - I would still say, that Arnav enjoys these periodic crazy stints of hers. He gives her quite a leeway these days when she turns on her acts.

Khushi's genuine care and concern didn't actually go unnoticed by Arnav in yesterday's episode.
He was confused if she was still in her 'Swami' act at first, but when he later reflected on her actions (due to Anjali's praise, and the mirror scene), there was the tiniest drop of belief in Khushi's deeds.

But all of this would not have been significant, if it hadn't been for Anjali's talk yesterday! Anjali's talk was like a fishnet - all of Khushi's actions, all of Arnav's reactions, all of Arnav's recent changes, were all gathered into this fishnet provided by Anjali. A few more in the net - and Arnav should pick each one out, examine them, sort out his confusion by getting the results from these 'examinations' and well... our story will move forward then - towards clearing the MU.

Arnav hasn't started trusting Khushi yet... Thankfully, Anjali's words have created an impact that have begun the process of trust from Arnav's side. As for Khushi, well, we all know that she is miles away from trusting the man (who keeps swinging from loving glances to cold shouldering), and from realizing her love for Arnavji.

This situation drives me to think that, Khushi will realize her love for Arnav only after the MU is cleared. It is only after the MU is cleared that both she and Arnav will repent for their mistakes, and the hurt they caused each other. Also, unlike Arnav, Khushi doesn't have anyone to guide her, and to help her recognize her love for Arnav (which right now manifests itself only when Arnav is wounded, hurt, bruised or sick).

JUST ONE 'WHY' FROM KHUSHI WILL LEAD HER TO THE ANSWERS SHE SEEKS

Since we're talking about Khushi - she was so so so damn close to getting her answer toward the situation she's in. In the last few minutes of the show, Khushi is with Laxmi, and is busy chewing on a biscuit angry that Arnav faked his whole illness (she doesn't know that he lied about faking it). And there is a point of time when she jumps up to demand answers from him regarding his whole 'fake act'. But the very next moment, she stops herself from doing this, as she feels that this is exactly what Arnav wants her to do - to get angry and start arguing with him.

And THAT - THAT'S WHEN I felt like screaming out to her - "Khushi ask the question 'WHY'!!!"

Why would Arnav, a person who hates you, who hurts you, who snubs you, who refuses your help repeatedly (and only gives in when you insist), why would a man, a Shaitan want to spend his time and energy arguing with you???


In normal circumstances, in day-to-day life, we stay far away from people whom we don't get along with. We avoid the people who are bent upon arguing with us, and we keep our distance from people who hate us, or whom we dislike - so Why Khushi, why would Arnav, a person who supposedly hates you - why would he want to indulge in petty arguments with you?

I understand it's the CV's decision in the end - but just ONE, ONE WHY from Khushi toward Arnav's behaviour, ONE WHY towards his actions, reactions and words.

Just ONE WHY Khushi - and you will be slightly closer to your answers.

SYMBOLIC NOTE: THE MIRROR SCENE (I've put it down here as I didn't want to disturb the flow of the scene and the important link of the scene to the beginning process of Trust)

Anjali shows Arnav the framed photograph of their childhood whose glass has broken. There is a broken line down Arnav's face in the photo, while Anjali's face is clear, out of the broken zone.


This made me think that,
Arnav is still scarred by the past, since childhood. But, I also feel that Anjali is the more vulnerable of the two, she is the one more scarred - this comes across with her attempts to avoid unpleasantness, and if unpleasant circumstances do come up she tries to cover them with a rosy outlook. But even then, couldn't shake off the feeling that Arnav carries a huge burden, he'll probably crack under all the pressure one day!


Overall, this is the second Friday in a row that was quite interesting to watch! It
seems like the PH is back to it's awesomeness - Thursday's and Friday's episode have come across quite well - with not much sloppiness, thankfully!


Happy New Year everyone!!

Have a great weekend! 😊




First time, I read your views and I say you are also doing a commendable job. Hats off - Really love you people for investing your valuable time and energy and making its easy for people like me - (Tubelight) to understand the nuances.
Take care and hope to read more from your thought process - yasmin
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Posted: 13 years ago
#96
Doodz🤗 Yaar ab DANTASTIC kay beyond koi word kahan say laaon? WOW!!!!!! That epi left me very very confused and your explanation helped a lot.

Especially saari raat guilty wala part👏

My biggest grouse right now is we are back to Arnav and his feelings, which we KNOW...It is time they focused on Khushi and her feelings.

Right now for me the story has become one sides as Monsi so correctly put it...As much as Arnav & his journey has been fascinating, the ignoring of Khusi's feelings via monologues, FBs is irritating me.

I hope they set this aspect right. I thought since we had more Khushi, we will get that, be it when she gives him the silent treatment or the night when she stayed awake.

What we got, ZILCH...Even a little question to herself, despite the forced marriage, harsh words, why does she care? Even that line could have set the ball rolling.

The last 3 weeks, I have been watching with utmost disinterest this show, wondering why? Now I get the answer, we are not getting Khushi's side of story and hence for me who is always on TEAM Arhi, it is no longer appealing to me.

It is time the Team came up with something sensible for Khushi and not make it dhak dhak or OTT...

I signed up for a love story of 2 individuals, this one individual love story is not impressing me much as much as I love Arnav/Barun.

Anna: Loved your take and Sathu, waiting for your take.



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Posted: 13 years ago
#97

Originally posted by: Shwetha!

Doodz🤗 Yaar ab DANTASTIC kay beyond koi word kahan say laaon? WOW!!!!!! That epi left me very very confused and your explanation helped a lot.

Especially saari raat guilty wala part👏

My biggest grouse right now is we are back to Arnav and his feelings, which we KNOW...It is time they focused on Khushi and her feelings.

Right now for me the story has become one sides as Monsi so correctly put it...As much as Arnav & his journey has been fascinating, the ignoring of Khusi's feelings via monologues, FBs is irritating me.

I hope they set this aspect right. I thought since we had more Khushi, we will get that, be it when she gives him the silent treatment or the night when she stayed awake.

What we got, ZILCH...Even a little question to herself, despite the forced marriage, harsh words, why does she care? Even that line could have set the ball rolling.

The last 3 weeks, I have been watching with utmost disinterest this show, wondering why? Now I get the answer, we are not getting Khushi's side of story and hence for me who is always on TEAM Arhi, it is no longer appealing to me.

It is time the Team came up with something sensible for Khushi and not make it dhak dhak or OTT...

I signed up for a love story of 2 individuals, this one individual love story is not impressing me much as much as I love Arnav/Barun.

Anna: Loved your take and Sathu, waiting for your take.




Heyy Bugzz Bunyy Hugzzz 🤗

Thanks Thanks.. Itne angry mat raho... hoyega hoyega... first they need to stop Khushi's unnecessary snoring .. that was like.. helooo she is the lead and you've brought her to here??? 😡 😡 😡

But I now want Shyaam to involve Khushi and increase the confusion more in Arnav's mind. Seriously, I need the action from all sides.
Edited by doodleberry - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#98
Hugzz to all online here... lemme have dinner and come and then will reply the queries. 😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Doodsiepie 🤗 How are you?

Am I glad I saw this post or what?? 😃

You are brilliant as usual. You know what part I dread? The day Shyam's truth comes out... The day the lives of these three in-their-own way righteous people are going to be bombarded with the truth and the way these three will react to the situation.

The bonds will be stronger between the three. The understanding will be greater. But the acceptance will be slower. And ASR will be torn into two seeing his Di's hurt and seeing his love's hatred and its not an easy situation to be in - the two most important people in his life. For Khushi, knowing that the person she loves tricked her into a marriage without even talking to her, questioning her, trusting her will kill all her innocence and easy attitude. And for Anjali, her life boat is wrecked. The person whom she thought to be her anchor turned out to be a shark and the shelter of a life she built around herself will be shattered leaving her and her heart exposed to the harsh realities... After a while, Khushi and ASR will have each other. But Anjali?? She will be alone. And then I want a hottie in the show just for her... 😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
Out of everything that we are discussing here in this redux, one thing is making me wonder that what is there in The Locker... which file it is???
6 months marriage contract papers???? If shyam comes to know about this, he will be the happiest person for a while and his advances towards Khushi will increase more ..😊
Edited by aerowana - 13 years ago

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