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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: doodleberry

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Wow I have take a full 5 minutes just to think of a way to start writing down what I thought of the episode. In a nutshell it was a move forward, all bases covered, the tortoise oops CV's has now put one foot forward.

Oh whatever, the gloves are off.

STOP MAKING KHUSHI A CLOWN!!! SHE ISN'T THERE FOR COMIC RELIEF!!!

Which one should I start with the good or the bad or the "I don't believe this is happening???"

Ok the good, nope the best. Arnav tells Khushi he faked the whole thing, Khushi reaction ….DISBELIEVE!!! Beautifully executed by Barun (brimming confidence, and smugness) and Sanaya (shocked, bewildered, completely not understanding). But what really got me here was the beauty with which Khushi's utter shock was demonstrated the tray in her hand slacked. BEAUTIFUL!!! I got just how unaware Khushi was about what was coming out of Arnav's mouth. This an example of the treatment done right.

Now for the bad, Khushi falls asleep standing up and starts snoring…. REALLY??? Who thought this was funny? Are we going after the under 10 segment again because I assure you even they will expect more sophistication. Couldn't you show her making the tea and dozing off and Anjali walking in with Payal??? Why must you do this to her? Now I just think you guys are misusing Sanaya and her talent.

I cannot believe these two scenes occurred in the same show. Iss pagalpan kya naam doon??

And for the, can't believe this is happening: Khushi believes Arnav's lies and starts the Swami drama again.

Ok breath S breath.

A few days ago Arnav lost his voice and Khushi heard him call out to her in absolute silence. Yesterday, she instinctively knew he hadn't taken his medication. DIL KA KONNECTION you say, but she cannot tell when he is lying to her? Kya hua, line vaist hai kya??? (lines are busy)

He has lied to her before, after the Diwali almost kiss comes to mind (many others but this one especially). Here he tells her he feels nothing for her. This lie involves two parties HIM and HER. His feelings not those of his family, not the emotions of his pregnant, freaks out easily, must be protected at all times DI. See what I'm getting at. The last time he fainted he told Khushi please don't tell Di she worry. And this time he fainted to punish Khushi and got his whole family worried about him???

Point 2: the might ASR would not show weakness for a second, he likes to intimidate his opponents not submit to them. Even if he did want his pound of flesh from you his scheme would involve making you helpless not himself, NEVER HIMSELF!!! At least not to the extent that Akash had to help him.

So we have her talking to her planning partner Laxmi( don't even get me started here), we get a monologue of Khushi talking to herself. But instead of analyzing everything she takes Arnav words at face value. WHY!!! If anything she should know by now that Arnav has more layers than an onion. And instead on concentrating on this one action she should be concentrating on the big picture. Why is she not connecting the dots, and I hope the reason is better than IPL.

What she realizes is that her pativrata act is mighty successful, so she has decided to continue it. (HUH, did you feel that, hell just froze)

Ok I'm just going to come out and say it. Khushi knows or knew Arnav felt something for her, and her for him. Did she or did she not pick the sari that he wanted instead of that that NK liked, she knew what she was doing? Next Beauty and the Beast, she knows that the Beast and the Prince is one and the same person, so why does she not want to investigate Arnav's bipolar nature??? Why did the love suddenly change to so much hate. Because the love was there, in the teri meri sequence they went over each of their significant meetings understanding where they came from and where they were going. So I'll ask you again why the short term memory loss every single day.

Here is why it is important for me to identify with Khushi, she is supposed to be relatable. She works hard, but she isn't anyone's slave, she has honour, self-respect and knows how to earn the love of the people around her. (Remember Shuklaji, her dubba business partner). But I do not understand her anymore. This purposeful amnesia is butchering Khushi for me.

Now I'll shift to what I loved:

Anjali and Arnav:

How I loved this scene. Anjali saw right through his act. In fact, he himself was kind of shocked of what he had done because he wanted to spare Khushi's feelings. He knew she would feel terribly guilty and hurt herself trying to make up for it. And he wanted to save her for that pain. Anjali, beautifully pointed out to him, she sees his love. He know he loves Khushi inspite of the MU. We heard the lines that came out of his mouth in the Ranja scene didn't we. But it was nice for Arnav to know his Di also knows that there is love in his heart for Khushi. So Arnav knows he still loves Khushi, no more proof needed after today. Loved how the past was brought up and linked to the present. Yes the siblings have a past, it was a good reminder that there is this sub-plot that will come out when the MU settles.

OMG did I see SHYAM!!! (Jumps up and down)

If anyone is only reading the thread and have never seen the show before they would think Shyam was the hero. Who knew I would rejoice to see the villain. Oh a week later and he still trying to get the key and the file. Arnav could not have moved it to a more secure location???

Also, I would love to know why Shyam hasn't reacted to Khushi's dubba business and tuition classes. He would have definitely not liked the idea tried to stop it even. Look at me, I sound like a Shyam fan, what have you done to me CV's

Akash, Payal, & Miss B:

I have always liked Akash and Payal equations. Where Arnav and Khushi are like a wild sea raging in a storm, Akash and Payal are like still water, both beautiful in their own way. I love the contrast between the couples often shown when they have scenes together.

Miss B day 3 and I don't have a clue where she came from why she is here, ohh I'm dying of suspense. NOT!!!

The right use of RABBA VEY:

Man when this tune is used correctly like it was today it tugs right at your heart. Beautiful haunting melody that is totally Arnav and Khushi.

And Finally,

Advice for the CV's

1. The elephant in the room, or the sword hanging over everyone's head or the misunderstanding, whatever you want to call it. I know you are building a track for Arnav's repentance, but the misunderstand right now is the building block of this relationship, Arnav knows about Shyam and Khushi, and Khushi has no idea about why Arnav changed so swiftly, there should be a mention of this in every episode. Yes I said every episode! You should be able to build whatever story around it.

2. GET A GRIP ON KHUSHI'S CHARACTER: Why is she doing what she is doing? Why I she not sitting down and looking at the whole picture? What made Arnav who himself apologize to Payal for breaking her wedding, now threaten her marriage twice. Why only 6 mths marriage to Khushi? Why is she annoying Arnav? What does she thinks she will achieve? Yes I know Khushi needs to understand that she still loves Arnav but please do not take the annoying route. PLEASE!!!

3. Shyam (Seriously I'm not a fan of the character): He is a very important piece of the puzzle, why hasn't he used the information he got on Holi? And more importantly, how is he going to use the information to get to Khushi? Arnav? The guptas? Who? What are his plans? Before we saw him lay out elaborate plans? Now we don't see him doing the same (actually we don't see him period)? Well, we started to, he told Arnav he is changing and then we saw him holding Khushi's hand in front of Arnav? So what are his plans again? Does he want to abandon Anjali and her baby but how can he if he is dependent on Arnav financially?

4. STYLIST now for Barun and Sanaya, though Sanaya in a red garbage bag would look fantastic, she needs new clothes not just the same outfit in 4 colours. And Barun, what is up with that hair??? Please look at the Diwali look and get that hair cut. PLEASE!!!

5. Ok the last piece of advice and the most important. I come to this REDUX thread to understand the underlying layers of the episode, I should not have to!!! At this junction, I watch an episode which I think is ok, come to this thread and realize all that was implied and think OMG it was a damn good episode. Now how many of your viewers will invest in coming on IF or other sites to discuss episodes??? What can you do about it……more monologues is just one thing (without Laxmi would be nice), so we better understand what is going on in the heads of the characters, yes you have a fantastic cast, but you have a tangled web of lies and sometimes (more than necessary) I have no idea what is motivating these characters to act in a certain way.

@Doods: Wow, after reading your analysis it is like we are talking about two different episodes all together. Like you said yesterday, I am not a very creative person, I don't or never have analyzed a layered show like this one. I prefer detective shows where you are concentrating on finding the guilty party. Therefore from my analysis you could understand that I am not happy with Khushi's portrayal, but after reading your post I understand what is going on a little more. But like I said yesterday, I have this thread others will be frustrated and leave. And finally you should be called Guru Doods from now on.

@ Tant: Waiting for your update

@Anna: I am kind of upset that they are taking the juvenile route of pativrataness for Khushi, but I guess it is important for her to mistrust Arnav and for him to understand where she is coming from. Again they are going to be opposite sides of the spectrum. Here to I did not get it until I read this thread. Thank you

REDUXIANS it was absolutely lovely writing here. A place to better understand what the hell was going on in the show, enlightenment from the guru's here (Doods, Tant, Anna, Pam, sea.nymh and the rest) and the various points of view. I loved it all. However, I have decided to take a break from the show, no I am not giving up on IPKKND, I know I'll catch up again, but for now it is au revoir, I had the best time here.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hey doodle gud analysis dear... Loved it 😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I agree yesterdays episode was very difficult to decode.. though Anjali helped to give some insight to ASR's character (the fact that ASR did what he did because he could not see the person he loves in guilt or pain) but i don't believe that was the sole reason which made him lie to Khushi.. because as somebody in this thread mentioned there wasn't an iota of surprise/wonder in his face during Anjali's convo in his room .. he was very very still and as soon as Anjali left he looked back into the mirror and after having the FB's lowered his eyes in shame..maybe subconsciously yes .. he also wanted to spare khushi the guilt and the 'pareshani' but on more conscious level i think he could not take khushi goodness..the fact that she genuinely loves and cares for him.. he wants to hate this girl and be mean to her .. the girl who has committed such a heinous sin in his eyes.. but her being good to him is not helping him.. he needs her to be mean to her so that he can justify himself for being mean to her.. and hurt her..i think consciously this was the reason which triggered him to say a lie ( and boy in what style he did it !! hats of to Sobti for making ASR what he is today)... I agree with you Doodhs "He has to keep Khushi the way she is behaving as when time will come his actions should be justifiable" - not only to Anjali but more to himself... and then Anjali comes in and makes him look into his soul in the mirror and again i agree with you "his soul couldn't match his eyes cause he knew how he trashed khushi's heart once again and deep inside he knew khushi's concern was genuine.. and its Anjali who helped him look into his conscience and look into his understanding of khushi in new light"... Happy Suvo nababorsho to all forumwasi's!!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@ Doods, hats off to you, I bow to you for your brilliant analysis, and it was absolutely B.R.I.L.L.I.A.N.T. no two ways about that. 👏 👏

Btw, before I begin to say anything, tomaake Shubho Noboborsher preeti o shubhechha jaanachchi. 🤗

I was thoroughly confused after watching yesterday's episode, and was waiting impatiently for yours & Tanths analyses, to clear the confusion and you've managed to completely dispel my confusion now. Thank you. 😃

Let me tell you why, but first I have to say this, I agree 200% with you about the Payash scene, it was absolutely pathetic. To say I was disgusted would be putting it mildly. What was that??? 😲 How can they make them behave like two lovesick puppies in front of a 9 year old and then the MIL??? 😡 I think I read a look of disgust and uncomfortableness in the eyes of the little girl too, having to witness their sick display of emotions. Eeeks. 🤢

Okay, I must have watched the episode at least 3/4 times yesterday to decipher the Anjali-Arnav-Khushi scenes, and I read quite a few posts in the hopes of clearing my confusion, but nothing did, because I refused to buy what was said by either Anjali or Arnav at face value. None of their dialogs made sense, b/c Arnav's expressions were telling me a completely different story, hence I could not add up the scenes. For example, him mocking Khushi and saying, "Tum mere liye pareshaan ho rahin thi?" Which meant he wasn't buying her concern at all so why would he go to the extent of lying to her to relieve her worry of him?? Completely contradictory IMO. Granted his whole attack on Khushi was a spur of the moment idea, but it still had to make sense... So he goaded her into the fake pyaar thing that she's been jataaoing only to expose her later??? Wow!!

I definitely knew what Anjali said to Arnav about him lying to Khushi to relieve her wasn't true completely. He knows he loves her so why should he be so surprised to learn the "extent" to how much he loves her??? It didn't make any sense... So when I read your analysis Doods, it added up perfectly. His expression was mainly about his guilt at hurting her knowingly when as you said deep down he knew her concern & care for him was absolutely genuine. You're exactly right, he was thoroughly confused with her actions as it didn't add up to the image he has of her in his mind. Another factor that didn't add up about Anjali's theory was exactly as you said, the relationship b/c Arnav & Khushi is entirely different than Arnav's relationship with Anjali. If he gets worried when he sees Anjali worried, he loves Khushi worrying over him. It's whole different thing. He would want to be babied and taken care of like any man would from his wife, so Anjali's theory wasn't making any sense to me whatsoever, but thanks to you, now I get the story completely. Thank you, thank you, thank you, you are just the best. 👏

Thank God, Arnav's gotten the first seeds of doubts planted in his head, and will start back tracking his steps and arrive at the right conclusion eventually. Hallelujah!!!! 😆

But Doods I have a question for you, what did Arnav mean when he asked Khushi, "Pehele yeh bataao, poori raat pareshaan hokar kaisa lagta hai? Kaisa laga bina galti kiye guilty feel karna??" Was he asking her this b/c he himself has been there after the GH issue and wants to see her tortured like him? I am still a little confused about it, since no dialog is said randomly, this has to mean something, any ideas???
Edited by pixiegirl - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Okay, I've further updated my post.. can't help it... new thoughts keep striking me every now and then... the update is on page ONE.

Have included some points about Khushi and Arnav's insights...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Dragonfly... wow.. how do you come up with these :D
Nice post again! :D
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Doods that was seriously brilliant. I have not been able to post lately and i was username jpalalagrawal and changed my username to Julie001

You seriously made me re-think this episode. So are you saying that contrary to popular opinion, ASR was not acting out of the purity of the motives that Anjali ascribed him? In fact, are you saying that he hurt Khushi by saying he was faking because he wanted to keep her in the light of being a "conniving and bad person" faking in front of her family so that one day when he has to reveal her in front of anjali that is the face Anjali and the family sees?

wow

Are you also saying that Arnav's real realization comes later when looking at the mirror and that is when he feels bad about what he did with Khushi by telling her he was just faking and therefore undermining her efforts?

That is fascinating and actually falls into the pattern that anytime Khushi has made a gesture of coming towards ASR in a way that is soft or loving, something in him tries to make her hate him.

I too though that in no way asr was saying those things to khushi just so that she would not feel bad. it makes no sense because in order to protect her from one guilt he then brings a whole other type of pain and embarassment to her. Your reading is keeping in line with his personality.

His realization comes later then in the mirror of one more hurt he has given khushi?

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Edited by Julie0001 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Doddleberry!! 🤗 You truly are my BFG (bona-fide genius)...😃. Honestly, a fantastic analysis of the episode once again. "Dragonfly" indeed! Never would have ever thought of that analogy but once you explain it so beautifully cannot think of a better comparison. Thank you for an insightful post dear...😊

P.S. - I am not sure if you or Tanthya send out PMs? Because if you do, I would absolutely love to be on that list...😃 My daily dosage of the episode is incomplete without reading the IP Redux post.
Edited by Scintillating - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: slmu

Doods, my starter is like Anjali's today, being real slow. I think I do understand.

Hi Zu, Sumana, SW anyone else I've missed.



Hey there... even I felt that my dimaag ki batti was flickering... the Arnav-Anjali scene had me confused a bit because of Arnav's wooden state... had to re-watch the scene around 4 times to catch on to the fact that, what he told Khushi (that he faked his illness) was told not to make her feel less guilty (though a small part of me still thinks that somewhere this too had a place), but he did it to have a kind of control over her - to keep her in line.


Then read DB's analysis and a lot of the episode became much clearer!

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