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Posted: 13 years ago
I have writen a lot on this topic but one thing I have seen among a lot of posts that commends ASR's actions is that he does it out of passion. I must say this show is taking the theme of 'love' to a whole different level.
I keep on reading posts after posts with TM's claiming that he loves her and therefore what he does to her is justifiable. Lot of the TMs are younger girls and seem to have already formed a deluded frame of mind regarding how your lover must behave around them. They almost mention what ASR did with reverence. They LOOK for men like ASR who will treat them like ASR. This is what's troubling me.
Is the show really moulding the impressionable minds of younger girls in to thinking that physical abuse should be tolerated if higher levels of passion is generated afterwards?
I blame the CVs for this. I specifically remember a scene when ASR had left bruises on Kushi's forearm and she was touching the bruises softly almost reverently while rabba ve was playing in the back ground.
I was CRINGING! WTH! Seeing bruises made by a man is in no way a form of romanticizing the feelings you have for him or he has for you. You should be revolted and Angry. Instead kushi was all dreamy running a fluttering hand over her bruises!
What does this really imply? That you should cherish the marks left on you by your man? That abuse is alright as long as he do a couple of rabba ves with you???
I find this VERY disturbing.
Edited by CDlove - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: Lurvebooks

Totally gratifying to see so many strong, opinionated women on this forum.

i have to really second this, especially after coming across irksome posts about how passionate asr is and how he will regret his actions so everything is all ok.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: pgm7

@ SJ : Before I post my views I like to ask you if I can post a spoiler here?



what kind of spoiler? as long as it follows IF rules, go for it.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: CDlove

I have writen a lot on this topic but one thing I have seen among a lot of posts that commends ASR's actions is that he does it out of passion. I must say this show is taking the theme of 'love' to a whole different level.

I keep on reading posts after posts with TM's claiming that he loves her and therefore what he does to her is justifiable. Lot of the TMs are younger girls and seem to have already formed a deluded frame of mind regarding how your lover must behave around them. They almost mention what ASR did with reverence. They LOOK for men like ASR who will treat them like ASR. This is what's troubling me.

Is the show really moulding the impressionable minds of younger girls in to thinking that physical abuseshould be toleratedif higher levels of passion is generated afterwards?


I blame the CVs for this. I specifically remember a scene when ASR had left bruises on Kushi's forearm and she was touching the bruises softly almost reverently while rabba ve was playing in the back ground.


I was CRINGING! WTH! Seeing bruises made by a man is in no way a form of romanticizing the feelings you have for him or he has for you. You should be revolted and Angry. Instead kushi was all dreamy running a fluttering hand over her bruises!



What does this really imply? That you should cherish the marks left on you by your man? That abuse is alright as long as he do a couple of rabba ves with you???


I find this VERY disturbing.

Agree completely Hiru. I wanted to comment earlier but the topic was closed. I found ASRs behaviour quite disturbing yesterday . What I disliked most is his behaviour when Anji came knocking in his door and he started acting all normal with Khushi as if nothing happened. I understand he loves Anji . Shyamu got a second chance because Arnavs Di loves him where Khushi did not even get a single chance of explanation. Even murderers gets to defend themselves in the court , but Khushi was condemned without a single chance to justify herself. What kind of love is this ASR?
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: CDlove

I keep on reading posts after posts with TM's claiming that he loves her and therefore what he does to her is justifiable. Lot of the TMs are younger girls and seem to have already formed a deluded frame of mind regarding how your lover must behave around them. They almost mention what ASR did with reverence. They LOOK for men like ASR who will treat them like ASR. This is what's troubling me.
Is the show really moulding the impressionable minds of younger girls in to thinking that physical abuse should be tolerated if higher levels of passion is generated afterwards?
What does this really imply? That you should cherish the marks left on you by your man? That abuse is alright as long as he do a couple of rabba ves with you???
I find this VERY disturbing.



For the bold parts, hiru, here is some supporting article...
Read the following article on how a biased, unrealistic, and uninformed reading of romance novels can indeed ruin how you look at relationships.
Don't let unrealistic expectations skew your reality.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2012071/The-Mills--Boon-effect-Why-romantic-read-harm-love-lives.html

Of course, I am categorically and unequivocally NOT proposing NOT reading them, sure read them, enjoy them, spice up your romantic life, and have a blast,but, but, but keep your feet FIRMLY grounded to reality.
Edited by serialjunkie - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago

I don't know why anyone is surprised. sadistic violence against women is the default position of too much television drama. No show is complete without at least one story involving a shrieking woman in a dungeon.

What upsets me is the pervading sense that none of this matters. That, somehow, just because it's a drama, it shouldn't be taken seriously, Or, worse, that the consequences of a violent act are of reel life and are only being depicted as some inviting storyline for a show, which makes it OK?No that does not make it okay.And ironic enough, we claim to live in the new age and have moved beyond the stone age, yet our mentalities continue to grown on the same vine as the past. And no just because it is being done in a show does it make it all right, infact what message are we sending to the youth of today just for the sake of a favorable track for the leads, its okay to shown voilent acts?

amazing post and I'm really glad you brought this issue to the upfront because we tend to avoid such things putting if off claiming it to be reel and not real... or just because you love someone you have the right to such acts by default.

Edited by InvisibleSmile - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: trina2010

Agree completely Hiru. I wanted to comment earlier but the topic was closed. I found ASRs behaviour quite disturbing yesterday . What I disliked most is his behaviour when Anji came knocking in his door and he started acting all normal with Khushi as if nothing happened. I understand he loves Anji . Shyamu got a second chance because Arnavs Di loves him where Khushi did not even get a single chance of explanation. Even murderers gets to defend themselves in the court , but Khushi was condemned without a single chance to justify herself. What kind of love is this ASR?

Yes trina. More than him kicking her out into the cold it's his complete dismissal and disregard for her in the morning that really made me mad.
The way he treated her then was as if she was just a rag doll put forward to desplay to his Di and make her happy. I almost felt as if she was a slave told to do his bidding.
I dont know how the CVs will handle the situation. Maybe he will show some amount of remorse for throwing her out of the room, becasue I couldn't see any then.
About not giving her a chance to explain herself, well the injustice is just beyond me. Its the classic case of throding on the weak. He will give shyam his cheater of a brother in law a chance becasue of his sister and also because he's much better off and actually can give a fight.
Kushi on the other hand is weak, vulnerable, homeless and alone. A very convenient punch bag to take his fustration off of the situation. She obviously can't fight back.
Thats how I intepreted the situation.
Edited by CDlove - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: serialjunkie



For the bold parts, hiru, here is some supporting article...
Read the following article on how a biased, unrealistic, and uninformed reading of romance novels can indeed ruin how you look at relationships.
Don't let unrealistic expectations skew your reality.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2012071/The-Mills--Boon-effect-Why-romantic-read-harm-love-lives.html

Of course, I am categorically and unequivocally NOT proposing NOT reading them, sure read them, enjoy them, spice up your romantic life, and have a blast,but, but, but keep your feet FIRMLY grounded to reality.

And we see the results described in this article in our forum so often these days.
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Posted: 13 years ago
I had written a topic on different post regarding the same issue and i'll say it again arnav is being a big bully.
ISS PYAAR KO KYA NAAM DOON????
ISS PYAAR KO KAISE NAAM DOON???

seriously what should we call arnav's love...?
or how should we call this true love...?

(this is what i had posted in another post)
before i could have debated about what does domestic violence really mean i googled it and guess what its everything you explained..domestic violence doesn't mean its "only physical abuse" you also have to think where is starts from...
Domestic abuse often escalates from threats and verbal abuse to violence. And while physical injury may be the most obvious danger, the emotional and psychological consequences of domestic abuse are also severe. Emotionally abusive relationships can destroy your self-worth, lead to anxiety and depression, and make you feel helpless and alone.When people think ofdomestic abuse, they often picture battered women who have been physically assaulted. But not all abusive relationships involve violence. Just because you're not battered and bruised doesn't mean you're not being abused. Many men and women suffer from emotional abuse, which is no less destructive. Unfortunately, emotional abuse is often minimized or overlooked'even by the person being abused.The aim of emotional abuse is to chip away at your feelings of self-worth and independence. If you're the victim of emotional abuse, you may feel that there is no way out of the relationship or that without your abusive partner you have nothing.

Emotional abuse includes verbal abuse such as yelling, name-calling, blaming, and shaming. Isolation, intimidation, and controlling behavior also fall under emotional abuse. Additionally, abusers who use emotional or psychological abuse often throw in threats of physical violence or other repercussions if you don't do what they want.

You may think that physical abuse is far worse than emotional abuse, since physical violence can send you to the hospital and leave you with scars. But, the scars of emotional abuse are very real, and they run deep. In fact, emotional abuse can be just as damaging as physical abuse'sometimes even more so. Abusers are very good at making excuses for the inexcusable. They will blame their abusive and violent behavior on a bad childhood, a bad day, and even on the victims of their abuse. Your abusive partner may minimize the abuse or deny that it occurred. He or she will commonly shift the responsibility on to you: Somehow, his or her violent and abusive behavior is your fault.

i have noticed whatever arnav does right or WRONG he is always right...for some reason his actions wether they are painfull or extremely damaging has got an answer or should i say "excuse" for it...no offence to anyone
i love IPKKND and i love watching arhi and i love the main track that they are officially married..
but im just writing what i found wrong the way it had happened and how kushi is being treated
im just thinking out of the box to think if i was in kushi how i would be feeling...
if kushi was to make a mistake to hurt arnav like say even say painful things i have noticed she gets bashed alot for making "poor arnav" cry but when arnav does things to ruin her life..its "aaawh hes just ruined and damaged by his past"
when he does something wrong theres always a clarification for his actions ..i come to this forum to dicuss the mistakes he has done...and i see few posts i agree on...but his actions are only spoken just for one episode...the next day the tables have turned and i see loads of post excusing arnav's actions JUST CAUSE HE IS THE MAIN MALE LEAD.
barun sobti is one of the best actor right now in indian television for me but his character sometimes really really annoys me when he thinks he owns kushi and could control her anyhow..
one of the reasons he had also married kushi"i think" is because if kushi was really in love with shyam then he had
"NO CONTROL"on her...so whether by hook or crook he had to make her his...

what is he really more upset about...???
the fact that kushi is trying to break his sister's home(so he thinks)
and can not handle the pain of loosing her mentally and physically

or the fact the he had never lost in anything so he doesn't plan on it EVER
whether it LOVE OR WAR arnav had to WIN...
the thought of him loosing his first and last love was killing him inside and had to do something drastic before it killed him to the grave so what does he do...blackmails the poor girl into marrying him without and clarifiying why?

poor kushi...and poor anjali...their love of their lives has really messed them up.
arnav with kushi and shyam with anjali.


(and this is to this post)
arnav is not a little boy who doesn't know from right to wrong but he seems to be so ignorant to believe he can be wrong sometimes..thats the problem..he never listens to anyone and only listens to what he wants.
people who justifies his actions or cruelty towards kushi are really making me believe that love is truely blind(literally)
i mean come on what he had done in this past...people excused it saying "oh but he doesn't love her yet what when he falls in love he will treat her like a princess"
now what?? is he still not in love or is just "still confused" if he is or not...
as far as i know arnav knows he is in love and the day he wanted to express his "love" unfortunately he saw something horrific on the rooftop...
and by the way his so called jeeja is the one says "i love you and i dont love my wife" and kushi is the one that gets tortured day in and day out???/
so let me clear this...arnav hears shyam's whole speech...but yet he gives a chance to shyam but he only hears one single sentence from kushi not even the full speech that she gave to shyam and what happens she gets blackmailed into marrying him...gets sticks from her family and in-laws...hatred from her so called hubby on the first night...sorry second night really and then what happens she ends up sleeping on the poolside...but yet bechara arnav's pains is much worse...

why because of his past which has nothing to do with what had just happened now...and oh look bechara arnav ji is sleeping not on the bed but on the warm cosy sofa thats in his warm cosy room when kushi is sleeping outside in the cold nearly falling ill not to mention shattered on loosing her trust from arnav who she thought loves her too...also shattered from loosing her only family...but yet its poor arnav...

and im sorry how is arnav's pain more damaging than kushi..just cause kushi's past isn't spoken or shown doesn't mean she has been through less...she too has a horrific past like loosing a parent as child...so how is her pain any less..
mind you arnav was the reason she was blamed for her sister wedding being broken..was forced to leave lucknow and start new...work her butt off and ofcourse in his office where she stayed out in the rain..had her duppata ripped...was thrown out of the window and yes nearly got killed in the construction site because of mr arnav ji and his gigantic ego thats is the size of his bank balance...but yet hes pain is so much more...
then on diwali arnav nearly kisses kushi and then what does he do he goes announces his engagement just to hurt her more.but yet its still poor arnav
he then after breaking her heart into pieces he covers his mistake up by forcing her to be dropped home which made everyone go "aaawh" but then ends up insulting her once again giving the status speech making her feel low and not wothy of anything...

and the list goes on and on and on and you know what..we ended up sweeping it over our head thinking it'll get better...we thought this is just a drama...


but come on this track is just ridiculious and i simply dont agree to whatever is being shown...now its not just about being a drama now it shows how its okay to be used and abused and yet as a woman you can't speak up..and thats what they are portaying kushi as...
kushi used to speak up before but why not now...why CV showing changes in kushi after falling love with arnav and also marrying him...

please why don't some girls/women stop being ignorant and see that their beloved arnav ji is abusing kushi emotionally...
im hating how the CV is showing that its okay to treat a girl like that ands its okay to be quiet when you are being treated wrong...its sending wrong messages to young men and women...

and one more thing i just to calculate by writing on this reply who's got the most damage...

arnav looses parents...
looses mum
learns shyam not in love with anjali
thinks kushi loves shyam...
thats all i could think of

kushi looses her parents...
blamed for sister broken wedding
moves from lucknow
mistreated by la and asr at work
then at the RM
loads of shoulder grabbing...which has left bruises marks and also cuts on finger(pure domestic violence)
forced to get engaged to shyam
finds out fiance is already married
organizing the engagement for the one man she truely loves
then in the recent episode

tortured by ex fiance
blackmailed to get married on her sisters wedding day
yelled at by eveyone and looses her family once again
mistreated by her husband and forced to sleep out side
and you know what there more to come...

i read post someone earlier and some one wrote questioning kushi's actions...
"who asked he to sleep outside she could have gone downstairs blah blah blah..."

hold on a minute if she had done that then everyone would have known that the marriage was sham and before she exposed their real relationship status she wants to know the truth why he married her...she is more confused more than arnav...he knows why he married her but neither shows knows why he married her and if he loves her or not...she more confused than anyone poor girl...
and woah woah woah wait a minute i also can't believe how people are seeing arnav cry a little bit and they are crying a river for him when since the day arnav had blackmailed kushi all she has done is weep so does her tear not mean anything????
and as far as i now arnav hasn't dealt anything yet...neither he had to go through what kushi is going through like his and her family ganging on her...
or even loosing her dear ones...
only thing i could say he still has his family and still living with them but kushi??? what does she have and who does she have???


i love IPKKND and i have said this before and i will say it again this is one of my favourite show that i cant bear to miss and barun is my fav actor on telly right now but this track needs to change or its going to loose alot of dear fans...



Edited by gansteress - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
lol...when i first read the title of ur post, i thot u were talking abt mamiji!!!

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