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Posted: 13 years ago
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Diya, take a bow for a marvellous roundup of the week. Your analysis is nuanced and delicate and I loved reading it and all the interesting reactions that followed. 👏👏👏

A trifecta of immediate thoughts - I'm sure there'll be more, since you given us so much to chew on 😊

1. The confrontation with Shyam was not unwitting, Arnav deliberately engineered that and tried to pin Shyam to the ground. However Shyam, who as you rightly said was using his dimag (as opposed to abusing his as Arnav was!), got the better of him and how! Had Arnav tried to confront Khushi in the same manner even if in outrage, we wouldn't have this mess ---- we also wouldn't have a story, so I can see why that didn't happen. 😃

2. I differ from you a bit about the motivations for the forced marriage. Ostensibly it was all about Di but perhaps in truth it was all about ARNAV --- his needs, his ego, his passion, his sense of betrayal. There too Khushi is simply a pawn. Isn't love not only about trust but also about putting your partner's happiness above your own, securing her well being above all else? Khushi doesn't even figure in Arnav's equation. So, yes he has Mt Everest to climb to find true love and redemption.

3. The sentiment towards Anjali has flip flopped quite a bit --- first it was all concern, "Oh no, she is so sweet, let her not die", to now "she's a nuerotic, selfish, dimwit who is responsible for this mess." Writers, kudos for playing with our emotions 😊 . While she may be inconsiderate, neurotic and blind to her brothers needs and her husband's treachery Anjali is NOT responsible for this mess. It isn't her fault that her husband is a psychotic, cheating, obsessive creep. Plus she's programmed to see the best in him - it's her survival mechanism. Which brings me to the point that writers have been hammering us with from the start ---- a most depressing one for me--- that we are prisoners of our past. We can run but we cannot hide from the influences, people and events that shaped us early on. So Arnav can flirt, be passionate, caring, protective but he CAN'T trust. The way he coped with his childhood trauma is to MISTRUST. It's too deeply embedded in his being to change easily. Likewise Anjali - she coped by becoming overly dependent (in an almost unhealthy way!) on blind faith in her god above (and the accompanying rituals) and the two men who define her roles in life as sister and wife.

@Swetha: 😆😆😆 at Arnav chaneling Nirupa Roy! I too am ready for the glycerine bottles to find a trash can --- for both Khushi and Arnav.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#42
Wonderful and very poignant analysis of the week that to me was the most significant week of IPKKND.👏👏👏👏👏

And what a week of excellent acting it was! Barun's depiction of transition from a guy in deep anguish,shattered helplessness to one in revenge mode was simply mind-blowing. I also loved how we saw glimpses of softness, anger and guilt in his eyes when Khushi finally gave in to his blackmail and covered her face,when Garma slapped khushi and Khushi's families anger at her not being able to answer to their questions. It gave me hope that not all of Arnav is taken over by ASR. Barun's expressions the whole week have been spot on. When you have eyes that do all the talking, who needs dramatic dialogs or sound effects?

Sanaya's acting was also the best so far. Her role till now has been very verbal...this week it was about Khushi's expressions of love, confusion, dream shattered, helplessness and shame. She was at par with Barun in that.

This is what sets IPKKND apart from other soaps: it's leads who take their acting to a level we don't see in Indian small screen. So no matter how cliched the storyline gets to get TRPS, a lot of us tune in to watch the interaction of these two; their sizzling chemistry even when they don't touch each other, be it in their mutual attraction/love, their effort to hate each other and their fights ( I do hope the CVs dont change Khushi from the feisty one to a meek rona dhona bahu). I'm so looking forward to this track whatever it is as I know that I'm guaranteed some exquisite acting from Barun and Sanaya which will make every scene worth it !

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Posted: 13 years ago
#43
Hi Diya,
Here comes your Sunday morning review and I stuck on my computer compelled to read and respond despite several errands requiring attention and Its ALL BECAUSE of YOU and your wonderful writing. 😛
Most of us have said so much in the past week that whatever I say will be a repitition.
The few things though that needs to be said is...At this point in time Arnie seems to be one who has made the decision, his knee jerk reaction to get married , the thoughtless proposal and his arrogant behaviour to Khushi. His road to redemption as you say is several miles long and I have no idea how Khushi will ever trust him again. But to me he is the one who really needs the HELP ...he is the lost one here with no belief system unlike Khushi who has her Devi maiyya with her and her sunshine nature. His disraught plea for help has reached the right place and answered in the form of this girl who will be his road to salvation.
Khushi I KNOW will bounce back . Its who she is . All she needs to see and undesratnd is the other side of this man and she will stand by him.
At this time its an agni - pareksha for BOTH. Arnie's mistrust in the world and its people and his need to be loved will be Khushi's mountain to climb and for Arnie to confess to her that he needs her.
I am really hoping that this MU gets cleared soon as I want both of them working together and not against each other. Also waiting to see Shyam's next plan of action.
Let me get going Diya...dishes calling.
Rgds
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I agree!!Performance wise the week was excellent!!The slap was justified any mother wud have done the same!but the 6 month contract cannot b explained by any manner!!
U r rite..ASR has now have got to do a lot of redeeming after he realizes the truth!!
Brilliant post!!!!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: aditi07

Awesome TWTW Diya...loved ur post👏👏
Barun and Sanaya were outstanding this week...truly arnav has made some grave decisions in haste which he is truly gonna repent later...ur take that arnav married khushi for her sake not anjali..coz he took that decision from heart as he loves her is quite interesting...actually when i think abt it it does seem true coz i think it had been any other girl, he wdn't hv done the same thing!!

6 month contract ??...even i am baffled over that!! what were CVs thinking..i mean it doesn't make sense. It shd hv been 7 or 8 months at least!! coz they need to stay married at least till anjali's delivery ...right??

anyways, right now my heart is bleeding for Khushi...poor girl has lost everything and for no mistake of hers...only that she didn't tell the truth abt shyam coz she was worried abt anjali!! Arnav only thinks that everything is lost for him but Khushi she actually has lost it all...her family..her house...her dignity...trust respect ...her dreams..hopes ..and even her Love!! even if he did it out of misunderstanding of situation and was a victim of wrong timing, Arnav gravely needs to repent for his actions coz they have shattered khushi's whole life ...have broken her apart!!

now really want to see khushi come out of the shock of the situation as fast as possible and emerge as the feisty khushi whom we all love.. who stands up for herself and gives it back to arnav and teaches a big lesson to shyam by exposing him!!



aditi ... My feeling is the 6 months was definitely added as an afterthought ... so my logic would be - Arnav wants an end to the marriage as much as he did before Anjali's pregnancy became known ... it just gives him some time to think things through more calmly and prepare Anjali slowly for the shock ... which is what IMO he should have done in the first place, instead of running to tell her the truth!!! In the middle of a wedding, that too!

Yep, Arnav has shattered all Khushi's dreams, her reputation, her respect and dignity ... he has lowered her in the eyes of both the families ... and how can she ever trust and believe in love again ... this is the second time he has led her into the clouds and then crashed her brutally to the ground. And this time even more so than Diwali ...
It's all very well for this to be about Arnav learning to trust Khushi ... but in the meantime, what about Khushi LOSING her trust in Arnav?

I want the fiesty Khushi back too ... but I think it will take her a little while to come out of this shock ... and she has to be the one to expose Shyam and prove her innocence to Arnav ... and then she needs to walk out ... a separation for a short while is needed to bring Arnav to his senses that you cannot sacrifice so many relationships for one ...
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Posted: 13 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: smitar

I love your take on the reasons behind Arnav marrying Khushi. So simple & so true. He just can't let her go.

But marrying Khushi is to punish her ' punish her for betraying hm ' take her to hell and back for abandoning him the way his mother did. And also to keep her close ' because Khushi is his ' she is his own ' she cannot leave him, and he will not let that happen, hate her though he might. And when he realizes he was wrong in judging Khushi, he is going to be the one taking that trip to hell. And Khushi just might not be there with him. But if she is, if she has the courage and the fortitude to stay the course, to love him unconditionally, the way his mother wanted ' that is his only road to redemption.

I think we might see Arnav realising the truth sooner than later. A gradual awakening of his intellect and a phased understanding of the true state of affairs seem to be on the cards. Once Khushi realises that she has been absolved of all wrongdoings by the great ASR, she might ask for reprieve from the marriage. Arnav won't let her go. I think he will use the remaining months to convince her to continue with this marriage. I seriously don't think he can do without her.
The marriage decision is foolish. No doubt about that. We have been tearing his contract to bits in the last couple of days, trying to find out how it is going to help Anju Baby. Guess he took his Di's words to heart...about doing something even if it felt like Bewakoofi, about how decisions in romantic matters must be taken from the heart & not the brain!

As u said it, thank God for a contract marriage. Atleast it is legal. Regardless of whatever happens in 6 months, she will have the security of being Mrs. Arnav Singh Raizada. I am very grateful the CVs didn't make ASR offer a live in madeover to look like a marriage. It would have made Khushi cry more, turn each small incident more poignant, turn daily rituals into a mockery of them, give ASR an opportunity to use his choicest abuses against Khushi...Thank u CVs for resisting the very obvious temptation. In a contract marriage, atleast she has a right to her sindoor & mangalsutra, & her husband.

I think Arnav had only 2 thoughts as he dragged his wife into his house. 1)Flattening Shyam with the knowledge that Khushi was lost to him for ever. 2) Owning Khushi, body & soul. Binding her to him so that there was no escape for her, and he got full rights on her.
Khushi does not know the real reason for the marriage. She must have thought that Arnav was offering a short-term bedding contract with an expiry date on it in order to slake his lust. And Arnav knew what she was thinking.

The regret that he felt when the two families ganged up on them will be the saving of him. As u pointed out, the ramifications of his action strike Arnav only when the Gupta females start their patented harassing of Khushi. ASR has never been bothered by criticism or questions. he has never bothered to explain any of his actions to anyone, and he knows that his family will give into his demands and his decisions, regardless of how stupid, senseless, & quixotic they are. It was when her family lit in to her that he realised that an orphan taken in by another family, and that too an orphan who felt the burden of their ehsaan on her keenly, would find herself in an unenviable position while being questioned about a "Running Marriage" to use Mami's words.

Anjali must be in her early 30s. In the wedding FB they show, Arnav looks about 14-15. Anjali must be 18-19 at least for a marriage to be arranged for her? ASR is now 26-28, so Anjali must be something around 30-32? She has been married for about 3 years. And must have been trying for a kid. Arnav wants her to have the baby. That's all he wants for his sis, now that her sicko husband has shown his true colours. Arnav probably thinks that Khushi will go off with Shyam after 6 months. If Anjali is 3-4 months pregnant now, then in 6 months,
Anjali will have her baby, and her hubby can push off with khushi.


Arnav, in his convo with Shyam, recognised the determination of Shyam to leave Anjali & take up with Khushi. Arnav is trying to delay it for 6 months till Anjali has her baby. This is the reason he tells himself. The real reason is revealed to us through his anger at Garima when she slaps Khushi, the regret on his face as Khushi stands, helpless & crying, the way in which he holds her up when she is in danger of falling after the famous slap etc. And he has an inkling of the real reason, the truth. That's why he averted his eyes as she looked up.



Thanks, smita!!!
TBH, I was wavering between the two reasons - is it because he can't let her go ... or because he wants to punish her for what he sees as her betrayal - which again relates to the fact that he thinks she is his? I was a bit confused ... but I think it's probably is a mixture of the two!

Also, I agree, his primary aim was to flatten Shyam ... Shyam made it sound as though he could run off with Khushi at any moment he chose - so this was to pre-empt that until the time Arnav felt his sister was ready to hear the news of Shyam's infidelity ... taking control of the situation back into his own hands ... or trying to.
But he cannot ignore Khushi or his feelings for her in this whole scenario ... and that is brought home to him only when he faces both the families and sees their reactions, and Khushi's ...
And understands the enormity of what he has done to her.

Shyam is going to continue playing his tricks and mind games on Arnav, and Khushi is going to be the scapegoat, I'm very much afraid ...
But I don't think Arnav is even thinking that far ahead, that Khushi can go off with Shyam after six months, when his Di is stable ... it's all about immediate damage control for him ... I don't think he will ever be able to stand Shyam going anywhere near Khushi ever ... Khushi is his ... she always has been his ... he even had problems with her talking to her own fiance when he thought she was still engaged ...

Thanks for your great take ... enjoyed reading it!!!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: bangles

A brilliant post Diya! It's hard to pick the best bits- you touched upon all aspects of the week that was in a very insightful manner.👏

I particularly enjoyed your analysis of Arnav's past affecting his present:his fear of abandonment, the need to be in control of his emotions, his destiny and others around him, the parallels between the rejection experienced at the hands of his mother( she left him when he needed her) and Kushi, and the displaced anger and need to avenge/ punish.
Whilst this is Arnav and Kushi's love story on one level, on a deeper level, it is also their journey- especially Arnav's journey towards healing from the wounds from his past. Kushi will be the agent of change lending the healing touch as only she can reach out to him as no body else can. Kushi's own strengths which she draws from her life experiences ( nurturing and love she has received from the Guptas- I know some members of the forum have a different view on this) , and faith in her Devi Maiyya will form the basis of this change.
For me this why IPKKND is gripping!



Thanks for agreeing with my rambles, bangles! I am in the same boat - I like the show so far because they have made a good effort to actually tie in all the threads and keep them strung together into a fairly cohesive story ... they used the fb's on Wednesday very effectively IMO, to show where Arnav was coming from ... to justify his very harsh decision to marry Khushi immediately ... and again on Friday, Payal's first wedding fb to reinforce what made Khushi agree to that proposal ... we viewers can actually make sense of what's going on and do some analysis ...

And one of the reasons this story attracted me was the premise of a dark past for the hero and his redemption ... I'm glad the cv's haven't forgotten it 😛 That is what is keeping me hooked ... apart from Sanaya and Barun, of course!

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: DiyaS

My Thoughts -

Of all the foolish, badly thought out knee jerk reactions that Arnav takes in anger, when his dimaag has shut down, this has to be the worst planned. Six months ? Why six months? A baby takes nine months to arrive, and do you plan to tell Anjali on the delivery table once she's delivered, that oops, Di, been meaning to tell you that the father of this baby is a two-timing jerk ... if you feel she can't stand the news right now, she's gonna be in such a GREAT position to stand it then!

Did Arnav really never stop to think what reaction his family would have to this rushed marriage? Or was he so naive to feel that Nani and Anjali like Khushi already, they will accept her with open arms and just be happy that he's married? And what about the reaction of Khushi's family? Did he really think they would be so delighted at getting a rich son-in-law like Arnav that they would overlook the whole rushed shotgun-type wedding? And the implications it has on Khushi's reputation and her character?

Arnav has to understand the whole truth of what Khushi told him - marriage is not just a name, it is a holy union, binding not just because it is legal, but because it is made with the blessings of family and elders, it is a social contract, the joining of two families, approved and witnessed by society, and is a symbol of lifelong commitment, love, trust, respect and understanding. Not a tool to be used for blackmail - a sacrifice of all relationships to save one.

Also - If being married himself, didn't stop Shyam from lusting after Khushi, how exactly is Khushi being married going to stop him? And Shyam isn't exactly falling over himself to tell Rani Sahiba anything either, in fact, he's completely delighted that Arnav's hands are tied now! So it's patently obvious that Shyam isn't planning to declare his grand love, abandon Anjali tomorrow and run off with Khushi into the sunset ... He's planning to continue doing exactly what he was doing earlier - have a hole in the corner affair ...that's assuming Khushi is willing. How is Khushi being married going to stop that one - in fact, with Khushi in RM, it makes things easier for Shyam. Arnav saw that Shyam is not going to give up Khushi in a hurry, the only other way to stop him was to send Khushi as far away as possible.

Nope - dimaag had gone on holiday here for sure ... this was a decision made from the depths of his heart - he cannot let Khushi go. And although in the long run, this was the right decision, in the short term, it's going to hurt a lot of people badly, his own family, Khushi's family ... and Khushi. Shredding her reputation in tatters, leaving her open to questions from her own family and his as to the reason for the rush - what most people would think ... And what showed how badly thought out this was, was the fact that he had no answers for his own family, let alone hers! And hurting her ... she was dreaming of a marriage proposal, of love, of a Prince Charming ... and she gets a brutal six month contract - take it or leave it, it's your sister's marriage on the line.

Arnav has a lot of repentance ahead if he is to be redeemed ... and it's only Khushi's forgiving nature, which is being derided so badly, which is going to be his salvation.



As always...beutifully captured Diya...!!! Loved the lines above and the song
Total Eclipse of the Heart indeed!
This was a huge week for IPKKND...and they delivered...
Lots of shortcomings, misunderstandings, misconstrued actions...finally Arhi are together as a married couple...
but with a bitter taste in everyones mouth...I really wanted it to be not so bitter...I wanted to see something that underlines the bond between Arhi...irrepective of all the misunderstanding...CVs triedo do that with Garima thappad and Arnie's angry look...but that was notenough for me...that was not well done...I would have liked to see a more conflicted Arnav ..every step of the way...when he was forcing Khushi...even if Shyamu's poison overpowered his judgement in the end...
This week left me wanting...it made Arhi marriage...a sad experience...We deserved a bit better...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: kushifan

diya a beautiful analysis ...that 6 month clause i am really baffled about.. its a real contract marraige ..yes she gets the rights of being mrs .arnav singh raizada but what if he becomes arnav again nd start using the rights of legal husband .. nd then pack her off after 6 months..we know asr in the heights of passion can do anything nd can go very far.. then kushi would have lost everything.. which is even more irredeemable for asr.. hope cvs dont take it so far... il be really annoyed with this ... i want asr to tear the contract papers nd plead her not to leave...nd kushi should not forgive him... asr should stop thinking about his di... its really annoying to see her these days nd as somebody said i am damn sure she has heard what asr said nd being delusional.. wen asr gets to know another betrayal... i really want to see that... the less i speak about her the better the di-chote relationship is too much of sticky type.. can anybody say them it is highly irritating...nd shyam u better use your criminal brain to counterattack ur saale saabs act .. he has taken kushi away from you..you still have a chance that is at the cost of your own exit.. better use ur baby properly ..its your trump card ri8 now..shashi babua now you need not worry u powerful SIL will take care of expenses nd even finance his laws nd u recover nd play another checkmate to asr nd make that creep get out of rm.. asr will indeed be helping himself as he will show a way out of this mess ..nd kushi may even like you despite the nafrat she has for you at the moment... the less i say about others the better ..have a gr8 weekend..



@pals13, moon_mine ... thank you!

@kushifan ... nope, this is SP - family channel ... this marriage will stay in name only for sure till they actually confess their love ... if it doesn't, and they actually consummate, then I will truly call it "something different and never seen before on Indian telly!!!" 😆 But one more reason for making this a six month contract might have been that - it will allow Khushi to justify bed and floor sleeping arrangement 😆

Me too ... am hoping after Shyam's whole truth is out to Arnav, Khushi uses this clause to leave him and get him to realize what he has lost ... otherwise Khushi is too soft on Arnav - the moment he smiles at her, she melts ...

Anjali lives in her own world ... Arnav has always been her protector, never the other way around ... she is his weakness, while Khushi will be his strength ... and the over-cloying bro-sis is getting to me also now ... they need to stop crying on each other! I'm looking forward to more moves from Shyam ... every time Shyam plays his games, he only manages to get ArHi closer!
Thanks so much for your take ... loved reading it!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: kitty25

diyas nice post..👏..you know diya when asr was confronting that snake about his cheating ..i was thinking one particular dialogue from THE GODFATHER' film ..in that godfather was saying to his hot blooded son"keep your friends close but enemies closer"...very famous dialogue..ASR must have done that with shyam...now shyam is not afraid of anybody when the mighty asr himself knows that whats going on...what asr did was wrong...this is not the way to deal with that cunning shyam... now KHUSHI's married or not he is not going to back off...even though i like ASR i can't support him is this..HE killed young girl's dream and reputation...his money can't buy her reputation back..usually i don't write this many post about the same topic..sorry..



thanks kitty for your great comment ...yes, that's a very well-known quote ... and Godfather of course was the master in how to control his enemies! So that's an interesting take ... by keeping Khushi at RM, Arnav manages to keep Shyam stuck at RM as well, and keep an eye on him and Khushi ... good point!!!

But yes, Arnav has wronged Khushi tremendously by this shotgun wedding ... and is basically using her as bait ... so many ways is he not justified in what he has done ... now it depends on whether his love for her can overcome his hate and mistrust ... and whether her love can help him on that road ...

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