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Posted: 13 years ago
#91

I like your mom's take 😆 ... Anjali is like an ostrich, burying her head in the sand, thinking that if she doesn't look at anything bad, it will go away ... she is also over-dependent, clingy and mollycoddling ... I call that kind of love "smothering" ... not mothering ...
I guess from Gul Khan's iv, that makes sense of her character, but it also means she could be the next stumbling block for ArHi because such people are dangerous, they have everybody else wrapped around their little fingers because of their over-sweetness, and they manage to get their own way all the time because of that.



Obviously it has to turn out that way only , i think the story is slowly heading towards it, currently in builiding stage is what i sense as Anj has already started chote ne shadhi karle ? chote kyu? She and her chote 😆.He and his Di😆 how amazing i tell you to torture the viewers, no need of any villain or vamp to torture the mass .

On serious note, What will the CV's be left with to show once Shyam is exposed to family or Arnav gets to know khushi is innocent ? Khushi getting to know abt Anj fake pregnency or Anj miscarriage or Khushi comes to know the reason behind Arnav marrying her ? These will all be solved in few couple of episodes whichever track they work on but in long run to keep the story moving forward it will be Anj who will be the block for arhi .

It will be interesting to see whether CV's bring arnavs past first related to Khushi or directly bring Anjali as permanent block , dont know in which order they would go and who can be forgiven.


Abhas is not any akashdeep Seghal or Chethan hansraj who can shake the audience and give sleepless nights by scaring us.They will not have much once shyam truth is out .


From Guptas family i think its only Abhaji who would accept and support her in future during seperation track.If CVs have no plans to recover Shashiji condition.

Arnavs love is like having cake (Khushi ) in hand but he cant have his bite/cake (Khushi).This will be the real torture to him and Khushi will be aware of all these and will have to keep distance even though she forgives and loves him unconditionally still being his strength but she would not be able to give that love to him for known reasons .I beleive this is what their love story is all about.

Everytime they get closer towards their love, they will only be pushed and separated apart.

Happy ending will be only when the show ends.



Edited by ash_cosmic - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#92

Originally posted by: ash_cosmic



Obviously it has to turn out that way only , i think the story is slowly heading towards it, currently in builiding stage is what i sense as Anj has already started chote ne shadhi karle ? chote kyu? She and her chote 😆.He and his Di😆 how amazing i tell you to torture the viewers, no need of any villain or vamp to torture the mass .

At present it does not sound too serious a problem because after all she was dying to see her brother married and he deprived her of witnessing one of the most important days of his life. Dont know how they will shape her character in future but her disappointment in her brother is understandable. Also she may be thinking that she is indirectly responsible for rushing him into marriage. Her constant harping on the subject and her near death experience may have prompt this knee jerk reaction from him. She always had a soft corner for Khushi and she would have gladly welcomed her as her nanad but the haste with which he went about tying the knot with her in the absence of both the families shocked her to the core.

On serious note, What will the CV's be left with to show once Shyam is exposed to family or Arnav gets to know khushi is innocent ? Khushi getting to know abt Anj fake pregnency or Anj miscarriage or Khushi comes to know the reason behind Arnav marrying her ? These will all be solved in few couple of episodes whichever track they work on but in long run to keep the story moving forward it will be Anj who will be the block for arhi .

One track which could be prolonged is the after effects of the revelation of Shyam's truth to Anjali. She could go into deep and prolonged depression. I think Khushi would be the one to bring her out of this. I don't think Anjali will hold Khushi responsible for what her husband did. We may see an entry of a new character for her, maybe in the form of a psychiatrist who is attending her case. How Arshi help Anjali find happiness again and in the process strengthen their own bond could be an involved and touching track.

It will be interesting to see whether CV's bring arnavs past first related to Khushi or directly bring Anjali as permanent block , dont know in which order they would go and who can be forgiven.

I think Arnav's past, at least parts of it which explain his fears and insecurities, need to come out first for Khushi to understand and accept Arnav. Her budding trust in him has been shaken in its very foundation by his recent act. She can forgive him only if she understands where he is coming from.


Abhas is not any akashdeep Seghal or Chethan hansraj who can shake the audience and give sleepless nights by scaring us.They will not have much once shyam truth is out .

I have a feeling that Shyam may be kicked out after the revelation to the entire family and may return to wreak vengence on Arshi later on. Maybe he may dig something in their past and twist it to suit him and create problems for Arshi. I have a feeling that Garima is somehow linked to Arnav's dad. According to her profile she has suffered some sort of public humiliation before getting married to the widower, Shashi whose daughter is Payal. Now why would they make Payal not related by blood to Garima but make Khushi Garima's niece? If the original CVs stay on till the end we may get answers to these questions.


From Guptas family i think its only Abhaji who would accept and support her in future during seperation track.If CVs have no plans to recover Shashiji condition.

I hope we do not have a separation track. Arshi can be emotionally separated but I dont want to see them physically separated.

Arnavs love is like having cake (Khushi ) in hand but he cant have his bite/cake (Khushi).This will be the real torture to him and Khushi will be aware of all these and will have to keep distance even though she forgives and loves him unconditionally still being his strength but she would not be able to give that love to him for known reasons .I beleive this is what their love story is all about.

I hope theirs is not a dark love story where the couple are perpetually separated. At some point I want them to have a full blown romance track with lots of passion. Yes, trials can come but they should only serve to strengthen them further.

Everytime they get closer towards their love, they will only be pushed and separated apart.

Happy ending will be only when the show ends.

I hope we don't have to wait that long to see them happy.


Edited by Opti - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@ishu, Mandy, Shwets, aKr1always, pinky, phoenix ... thanks 😃

ishu, I think the love story is always gong to be very rocky ... and I don't actually mind that, as long as it stays more or less between ArHi and to a lesser extent Anjali and Shyam ... because the premise was always about a tycoon and his sister, their past, and their respective love-lives ...

it's the kitchen politics I don't care for ... but the makers have to tread a balance here - the two top shows on SP are major Saas-bahu dramas even though DABH isn't actually supposed to be one ... but that's what seems to rake in the TRP's. The fact that they've kept that part to a minimum, and confined to Payash makes it bearable ... although the latest spoilers suggest Mami getting into the act with Khushi as well ... though hopefull not for too long ... that part I can't stand.

As for WHY Arnav did this - he didn't think it through ... period. Now he has given himself some time to think things through ... by doing this six month thing ... but at the cost of Khushi ... so very good question - WILL she be able to trust him again? This was Diwali re-visited, and a thousand times worse ...

@Mandy, everyone got angry with Khushi about postponing the decision to tell Arnav ... while I still feel that was wrong on her part, looking at Arnav's reactions, I begin to wonder ... he reacted so badly that if she knows him even the slightest and knew this is how he would react, she was justified in holding off telling him till things cooled down ... the Payash wedding got over and both she and he could think this through ... Anjali's pregnancy, Shyam's treachery and what it entailed.

As for postponing telling Anjali - that's the whole problem ... both she and now Arnav realize that Anjali cannot handle this news at all, more so now that she is pregnant. But then, where is the end point? That is what has to be figured out ... by both Arnav and Khushi ... Arnav has done exactly that by neutralizing Shyam for the moment and giving himself time to figure out what to do next. Which is what he should have done at the start, instead of jumping the gun and firing Shyam ... but then we wouldn't have got ArHi wedding ... so all to the greater good 😛

The thing is ... in the long run, Arnav has done the right thing ... by marrying Khushi he has taken her under his protection, whether he did that purposely or for revenge, is a different matter ... so I can forgive him more easily ... though I am glad that apparently he is also going to face the flak ... it shouldn't be Khushi alone, because that will reduce it to a usual SP sobbing bahu show. So two items on my wish list -

- Arnav also faces the heat for what he did to Khushi
- Khushi recovers her fight and starts to ask why Arnav did what he did ... and finds out Shyam's trickery ... in this, if Arnav recovers his brain enough to also start wondering, then they can work on the same goal ... treading parallel paths but distanced from each other ... as they ALWAYS do ... and distances decrease slowly.
Also Khushi's forgiving nature is what will help Arnav ... people deride her for being foolish to keep giving Shyam chances, but she has given far more chances to Arnav ... and will continue giving them ... that is Khushi ... and that is why Arnav needs her in his life. To always look for the good in people, rather than the bad ... Of course she also needs him to teach her the reverse ... t be more worldly-wise ... and that will come slowly too ...

I agree with Mandy that Akash Payal might be the surprise element - they might support Khushi through this, even if silently ...

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Posted: 13 years ago
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ash_cosmic ... I think cv's still have a lot of tracks to play with ... Anjali becoming a barrier of sorts, Arnav and Anjali's past and Khushi's link to it ... how to make Anjali recover from Shyam, because whenever he gets exposed, the fallout will be major ...

Then Shyam could be kicked out but become a bigger villain operating from the outside rather than from inside ...

Arnav's father and his infidelity ... if that is a storyline ...

the mysterious Dhruv ...

so hopefully we still have lots more in IPKKND to watch 😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Fantastic post! Excellently analysed and summarised what multiple posts have been saying- on different aspects of it. thanks for taking the time to collect your thoughts and write so well. Great and thoughtful comments too, which have also been a pleasure to read.

Nothing new to add on Barun and Sanaya. this two are just mindblowing

Agree on the 6 month bit. Unless the writers do a bit of clarification on that front, I can only conclude some one was totally sleeping on the job. It simply does not make sense to have that period stipulated.

and yes, Arnav as a character needs to speak up for his wife when everyone is abusing her - otherwise he is going to lose an essential feature of who he is.. He is always a jerk, but he is an honest, bloody minded and tough jerk. in that Garima slapping scene, he just became effete. and that's not on!

I only disagree on your last line though I may have got you wrong. I don't think Khushi's forgiveness should come so easily - then it will truly become another typical unwatchable cringeworthy Indian serial... It should be natural. The way she refused to give in to Arnav in the last few weeks was v much in character with who she is and her experience with Arnav during Diwali. it should be slow and he should truly earn it in every way.. otherwise its certainly not going to cut it for me. We dont need another Bharatiya Nari /Mother India.. I would rather have Debi Chowdhurani / Jhansi ki Rani . Medha Patkar (whatever your politics!) please!

Finally, just a quick observation. I notice that Barun spoke about ASR's character for the 1st time that I have seen in an SBS where he defended his character. His normal stance has always been to distance himself completely and sound like he is talking about another recalcitrant acquaintance he knows, that he does not like too much.

This was the first time I heard him say something on the lines of - Arnav did not have a choice and he had to make a decision.. hmmm.. i wonder what that means. Either he has started identifying himself with the character (as opposed to his earlier ability to do this remarkable distancing which is the hall mark of some of the best actors) or he really is queasy about these scenes ...

Speaking of which I did a bit of surfing over the weekend to find another serial that I could actually sit through from India and found two that started v well indeed. Indeed one of them was so strong in its story line I was quite impressed but seemed to then go completely haywire with multiple fake marriages, murders and weirdo in laws etc... and started becoming "Bold and Beautiful" - I am completely terrified that something similar will happen to this one, if the CV s are overzealous in catering to the LCD and extending their day in the sun...



Edited by Rita.C - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: DiyaS

@ishu, Mandy, Shwets, aKr1always, pinky, phoenix ... thanks 😃

it's the kitchen politics I don't care for ... but the makers have to tread a balance here - the two top shows on SP are major Saas-bahu dramas even though DABH isn't actually supposed to be one ... but that's what seems to rake in the TRP's. The fact that they've kept that part to a minimum, and confined to Payash makes it bearable ... although the latest spoilers suggest Mami getting into the act with Khushi as well ... though hopefull not for too long ... that part I can't stand.

Mami's kitchen politics with the two sisters on the same side while Arshi's story progressing is fine by me as long as they dont play up Khushi and Payal over each other.

As for WHY Arnav did this - he didn't think it through ... period. Now he has given himself some time to think things through ... by doing this six month thing ... but at the cost of Khushi ... so very good question - WILL she be able to trust him again? This was Diwali re-visited, and a thousand times worse ...

I agree. In thinking about his sister he has forgotten what havoc it would render in his own love life.

@Mandy, everyone got angry with Khushi about postponing the decision to tell Arnav ... while I still feel that was wrong on her part, looking at Arnav's reactions, I begin to wonder ... he reacted so badly that if she knows him even the slightest and knew this is how he would react, she was justified in holding off telling him till things cooled down ... the Payash wedding got over and both she and he could think this through ... Anjali's pregnancy, Shyam's treachery and what it entailed.

As for postponing telling Anjali - that's the whole problem ... both she and now Arnav realize that Anjali cannot handle this news at all, more so now that she is pregnant. But then, where is the
end point? That is what has to be figured out ... by both Arnav and Khushi ...

I think Anjali will get to know the truth on her own because I dont see these two ever getting down to telling her. My hunch is that she will take it badly and go into severe depression.

Arnav has done exactly that by neutralizing Shyam for the moment and giving himself time to figure out what to do next. Which is what he should have done at the start, instead of jumping the gun and firing Shyam ... but then we wouldn't have got ArHi wedding ... so all to the greater good 😛

The thing is ... in the long run, Arnav has done the right thing ... by marrying Khushi he has taken her under his protection, whether he did that purposely or for revenge, is a different matter ...

I dont know whether it is really the right decision to bring Khushi into the RM as long as Shyam is living under the same roof. The creep managed to envelope the girl in a vice-like hug in a house full of people. What guarantee is there he will not corner her again? Arnav cannot always be around the house to keep a watch over her. Moreover, he has alienated her from both their families with his clandestine wedding and is not speaking up for her. Snake can spot this weakness and use this to his advantage.


so I can forgive him more easily ... though I am glad that apparently he is also going to face the flak ... it shouldn't be Khushi alone, because that will reduce it to a usual SP sobbing bahu show. So two items on my wish list -

- Arnav also faces the heat for what he did to Khushi

Yes, he should also face the music but it seems that the RM household do not have much hold over the guy. Even Nani did not have much of a say in the La matter. He will just shut himself up and there is nothing the family can do to him.


- Khushi recovers her fight and starts to ask why Arnav did what he did ... and finds out Shyam's trickery ...

Khushi is bound to bounce back and am waiting for her to learn of what really brought this wedding on but I dont want her to explain herself. Let the guy work his brains.

in this, if Arnav recovers his brain enough to also start wondering, then they can work on the same goal ... treading parallel paths but distanced from each other ... as they ALWAYS do ... and distances decrease slowly.

Going by the spoilers, Arshi's misunderstanding may not be dragged for too long.

Also Khushi's forgiving nature is what will help Arnav ... people deride her for being foolish to keep giving Shyam chances, but she has given far more chances to Arnav ... and will continue giving them ... that is Khushi ... and that is why Arnav needs her in his life. To always look for the good in people, rather than the bad ... Of course she also needs him to teach her the reverse ... t be more worldly-wise ... and that will come slowly too ...

Yes, they will learn a lot from each other and develop as individuals.


I agree with Mandy that Akash Payal might be the surprise element - they might support Khushi through this, even if silently ...

I too hope that Akaash and Payal play a supportive role to Khushi.

Edited by Opti - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Rita.C


Speaking of which I did a bit of surfing over the weekend to find another serial that I could actually sit through from India and found two that started v well indeed. Indeed one of them was so strong in its story line I was quite impressed but seemed to then go completely haywire with multiple fake marriages, murders and weirdo in laws etc... and started becoming "Bold and Beautiful" - I am completely terrified that something similar will happen to this one, if the CV s are overzealous in catering to the LCD and extending their day in the sun...



Am curious to know which is that soap that scared the wits out of you.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Good point Opti. I get Diya now..
yes, Khushi needs to forgive becuase thats who she is.. making her strident will be against her character but at the same time, the way she forgave but did not forget the site accident scene or the Diwali scene, she absorbed and accepted but did not let him into the inner circle of her heart anymore, that is what i want to see...
not a crappy," I love you and you are so wonderful, therefore all is forgiven" kind of forgiveness...
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Originally posted by: Rita.C

Good point Opti. I get Diya now..
yes, Khushi needs to forgive becuase thats who she is.. making her strident will be against her character but at the same time, the way she forgave but did not forget the site accident scene or the Diwali scene, she absorbed and accepted but did not let him into the inner circle of her heart anymore, that is what i want to see...
not a crappy," I love you and you are so wonderful, therefore all is forgiven" kind of forgiveness...



I really cant see Khushi holding out for too long when she sees him go full steam to win her back. She did not let him into the inner circle of her heart because the guy himself was giving confusing signals but ever since the signals became loud and clear in the run up to the wedding, the girl has been more open to his overtures. Once Arnav finds out how wrong he has been in dragging Khushi into this mess, the guy is bound to go on a long guilt trip and will do his best to make up. I feel it would help if Khushi too is allowed a peek into Arnav's past (by one of the family members, as I dont see him doing it on his own), she can understand his insecurities and help him become emotionally stronger. Their reunion will then be spell binding.
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Posted: 13 years ago
@ Diya and @ Opti,

it's the kitchen politics I don't care for ... but the makers have to tread a balance here - the two top shows on SP are major Saas-bahu dramas even though DABH isn't actually supposed to be one ... but that's what seems to rake in the TRP's. The fact that they've kept that part to a minimum, and confined to Payash makes it bearable ... although the latest spoilers suggest Mami getting into the act with Khushi as well ... though hopefull not for too long ... that part I can't stand.

Mami's kitchen politics with the two sisters on the same side while Arshi's story progressing is fine by me as long as they dont play up Khushi and Payal over each other.

Totally agree with both of you but I am confused about the positioning of this serial. Should it not be in Star one? I read that the writer wrote serials for Star one and he has to temper his stuff for this channel because its the Saas Bahu and family gathering channel. From some of the comments on this forum, I can see their problem. So my question is - why on earth did they choose to have it here? I simply don't see how they can possibly do justice to the concept while keeping it relatively free from "Happy and Chaste Indian family with glorified and Clean Indian culture" (I apologise for my sarcasm but I am a bit tired of some of the comments on this forum by now though the quality of some other writers makes it worth my while)

How on earth do they plan to keep TRPs high without resorting to the common gimmicks ! I am curious to see the acrobatics they will have to engage in... wish they did not have to compromise :(

@ Opti, Am curious to know which is that soap that scared the wits out of you.

I understand that it's against the forum rules to compare and I am really not comparing, just that there is a good reason that me and hundreds of others have not watched a hindi serial in 20 odd years or so before IPKKND came along. Some new ones from 4lions are really good though - Geet certainly is and it looks like Bade Acche Hai and several others are progressive, well made and intelligent. Just don't appeal to my interest. on the one that really made me get worried about IPKKND - will send you a PM. I simply am not equipped to hate mails and blood baths:)


@ Opti, I feel it would help if Khushi too is allowed a peek into Arnav's past (by one of the family members, as I dont see him doing it on his own), she can understand his insecurities and help him become emotionally stronger. Their reunion will then be spell binding.

They have done a fine nuanced job so far of the character development, better than some of the Hindi movies I have seen so I have hope! But I am already trying to wean myself off this serial, in the fear of turning mad with disappointment if it goes the saas -bahu-kitchen politics - insane -inanities way...

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